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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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what they've always done, Smoke.
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brotherbbock
climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 5, 2016 - 11:31am PT
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Yep.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Puts a damper on the market because they cannot be legally sold to 18 yr olds anymore.
That's a good thing.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Puts a damper on the legal market
This will grow the black market. The cigs still have to come from somewhere. The sales will be un-taxed so the sellers ca match retail and make more money.
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brotherbbock
climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 5, 2016 - 11:50am PT
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The concept of a cig black market almost seems comical.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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It has been proven that anything that makes smoking harder to do will cut the number of smokers. Taxes have worked well for reducing the smoking rate in California. Yes, some people do need to be protected from themselves
This will grow the black market. The cigs still have to come from somewhere. The sales will be un-taxed so the sellers ca match retail and make more money.
Opponents always make that arguement. But the black market has never appeared.
Indian reservations are the black market. Gasoline and ciggies are untaxed on the reservations so what do the indians do, raise their prices to about the off-rez price. The only exception to that is the casino gas station in Fort Independence, they always have cheaper gas than anyone on the east side.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Opponents always make that arguement. But the black market has never appeared.
Indian reservations are the black market.
Maybe re-read that. Indians can't be a black market? Racist!!! (or something...)
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dirtbag
climber
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It's odd, and inconsistent, how we treat 18 yo. On the one hand, they can be drafted for military service, vote, enter into binding contracts, and face capital punishment for their crimes. On the other hand, we don't think they are capable of making appropriate decisions about drinking or smoking.
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brotherbbock
climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 5, 2016 - 01:06pm PT
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If you read the article Dirtbag they said anyone enlisted that is 18 and above could still puff the sweet sweet cigs.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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"What are the high school kids gonna do?"
Both my high school and my junior high had smoking areas where students could smoke. You had to be in the ninth grade to smoke in the junior high smoking area.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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The concept of a cig black market almost seems comical.
yeah it is a laugh riot in the jail system
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Recently had a friend drop dead from COPD, lifelong smoker.
Nothing says dumb quite like smoking cigarettes.
(appologies to my good friends who do smoke, you would be so much smarter as a non-smoker and we would enjoy having you around longer)
I started in with cigs at age 14 and fortunately smoked the last one at about age 26. It was against the law which somehow made it more interesting.
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tang0nathan
Boulder climber
Hayward, Ca
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The concept of a cig black market almost seems comical.
Haha I agree. I laughed quite loud when I read this. It's really easy to get cigarettes. Ask your brother/sister/friend. It's not that difficult. But really funny to think about. I started smoking cigarettes at 16 - yes, I know. Bad Nathan. But, I didn't have to go on Silk Road to buy them. I did what a normal high school kid did to get something I should have - ask my friend.
Kind of glad that this happened. Kind of strange that if you are in military over 18, you can buy cigarettes.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Growing up, everyone got their smoking permission at age twelve. Carpooling in junior high typically involved lots of secondhand smoke. In high school, you were allowed to smoke when you turned sixteen.
It was acceptable for adults to send their kids to the store to buy cigarettes.
We've come a long way, baby.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Fricken communists!
Do they really think that's going to stop anyone, pffft!
Don't they know there's a population crisis (not to mention a social security shortfall looming) . . .
I say, smoke away . . .
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brotherbbock
climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 5, 2016 - 02:19pm PT
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yeah it is a laugh riot in the jail system
^^^That actually made me laugh out loud.
I agree with the following:
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WBraun
climber
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Nicht mehr rauchen dummkopf Americano ....
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brotherbbock
climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 5, 2016 - 02:22pm PT
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I want a crankloon translated also please ^^^
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Werner, Americans are not necessarily stupid. You find stupidity in every corner of the world, and you know that. Being stupid is not an ethnic, religious or anything "doctrine" (hah hah).
Stupidity crosses all lines, rich and poor, educated and unwashed, right wing or left; stupidity and ignorance is inherent in humankind… but so is intelligence.
Of course, I am not telling you or anybody anything new, just stating the obvious. But I love it when you take the mickey out of us Yanks. I mean, what you say about stupid Americans is not exactly rocket science, Mr WV Braun.
I had a six-match tour of Germany with San Francisco Concordia in the summer of 1985 (win 2, drew 2, lost 2), and boy did I see some stupid Germans.
But most were smart and decent, friendly (some great BBQs and a tour of Dortmunder Actien Braueri (EDIT: with a fabulous lunch laid on for us) and Kaiserslautern FC stadium - Fritz-Walter Stadion- and of course Bayern Munich - which my Bavarian heritage appreciated, and Bayern being my third team behind Celtic and Barcelona).
And you know, I see smart and stupid everywhere I have lived, worked and travelled. I see smart people on the street and a particularly stupid person I see in the mirror everyday. Who is that guy?
Okay back on the thread topic.
As far are raising the age to smoke cigs seems counterproductive, in my opinion. Education, as always, is the best deterrent to smoking.
At present, I am in a postgraduate program at University College Dublin - Postgraduate Certificate in Innovation, Entrepreneurship and Enterprise (30 credits towards a masters) at the UCD Innovation Academy. One project the team I was chosen on was about the potential decriminalization/legalization of medicinal cannabis in Ireland.
A lot of people just do not know the facts (about medicinal cannabis) in Ireland.
Do 18-year-old "Californians" know the facts about cigarettes?
EDIT
And I once saw a dummkopf Werner, at least silly, in a Camp 4 campfire party, circa 1975. Of course, I could have been hallucinating.
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