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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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yeah that movie is scary... definitely controversial as it claims a conspiracy exists
vvvvvv just because you are paranoid does not mean you're not being followed
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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There's a conspiracy behind everything, isn't there?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Man, I found a nymphal tick on my hip with a small red area around it this year, IN NOVEMBER! No signs of Lyme so far, but to see them that late in the year was really disturbing. Found one on the dog the next day. Climate change is to blame in part for the northward influx of those little bastards, IMO. At least two a day are found in my house in spring and summer.
The key is to stay vigilant in checking yourself. They have to be biting for a minimum of 24 hours for you to contract Lyme, so daily checks are mandatory if you live in tick country. That right there is the most important thing.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Brandon,
I know that the 24 HR number is the given but my reaction was 6 hours after being bitten
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Yep, those little filthy bastards are out year-round. Pulled one off my son last January. He had been digging through the several feet of snow and gotten into the leaves below.
Permethrin is fantastic stuff btw to treat your clothes/shoes with.
We go through about 2 cases of DEET a year at my house since we're outside all the time.
Something to be said for 20+ days of Doxy if you find an embedded tick. I wouldn't buy the "must be attached for 24 hours" meme. How would they ever possibly test that in humans?
Unfortunately we're at ground zero here in the NE...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Another indicator of climate change.
Not too long ago I came across a buzzworm out hunting on March 18.
Apparently there is still a lot to learn about Lyme's.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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From what I've read, the virus is passed to humans by ticks when they have fed, are full, and then vomit a little into your bloodstream. Apparently, 24 hours is the average time it takes them to fill up. That's all I know.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Be afraid!!!
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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From after what I've seen and been through, I'd fight the dude in the Blue suit any day rather than a poppy-seed sized bloodbag... :)
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Funny. This doesn't LOOK like a political thread...
Not too sure what's wrong with a little tick "awareness". I've pulled up to 12 off me at a time after coming out of the bush. Why not minimize a potential problem?
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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that is what I read as well Brandon but the link above is kind of vague and says a few hours.
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Sounds like you were / are among the lucky ones. I have a coworker / friend that it took years for him and his doctors to figure it out. Negative tests, then positive, and then long term antibiotics. Fatigue and muscle issues. This guy is a superfit outdoor type. Doing ok last I talked to him about it.
Everyone is different.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2016 - 08:34pm PT
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so in an area with several feet of snow, the ticks still show up frequently on dogs and people after daily walks
ticks are commonly associated with deer, but it is actually mice who are the more likely hosts
both mice and deer like to hang out in the transition zones between open areas and the edge of woods…such as alongside trails...
an effective way to clean up the ticks in an area is to take cotton balls or dryer lint sprayed with permethrin and walk along through these areas tossing the fuzz balls off into the bushes
the mice appreciate the contribution of bedding material and take it home…thus effectively eliminating the local tick population
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Feb 11, 2016 - 09:12pm PT
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another nickname, better named troll. Do you climb? Why are you here? Do you care about life or perhaps you should get one.
sincerely, lynnie
Edit: basically another nickname's posts are not factual. I would encourage people to research lymes disease.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2016 - 09:23pm PT
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US Government Admits
Lyme Disease Is
A Bioweapon
By Lymerayja
1-7-6
The existence of the Lyme disease epidemic is officially covered up in the UK, its myriad presentations routinely misdiagnosed as everything from "M.E." to MS to hypochondria. This is the first admission by a US government body that the cause is an incapacitating biowar agent:
SAN ANTONIO (AP) -- The $10.6 million Margaret Batts Tobin Laboratory Building will provide a 22,000-square-foot facility to study such diseases as anthrax, tularemia, cholera, lyme disease, desert valley fever and other parasitic and fungal diseases. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention identified these diseases as potential bioterrorism agents.".
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10039154/
So, for the first time, a US government body admits that Lyme disease is a biological warfare agent. This is the reason that hundreds of thousands of men, women and children around the world have been left to rot with wrong diagnoses, or have had their Lyme disease acknowledged but been told that it is an "easily-treated" disease, given 3 weeks' antibiotics, then told to shove off when their symptoms carried on after that.
In Britain the existence of the epidemic is denied completely, and virtually no effort made to warn or educate the public about the dangers of ticks, which carry the bacteria Borrelia burgdorferi.
The Borrelia genus has been a subject of biowar experimentation at least as far back as WW2, when the infamous Japanese Unit 731, which tortured and experimented on live prisoners, studied it.
The reality is, Lyme disease is for many a chronic, horrendous, incapacitating disease producing crippling fatigue, constant pain, loss of memory, possible paralysis, psychosis, blindness and even death.
It was an ideal biowar agent because it evades detection on routine tests, has an enormous range of different presentations, and can mimic everything from ADHD to multiple sclerosis to carpal tunnel syndrome to rheumatoid arthritis to chronic fatigue syndrome (M.E.) to lupus to schizophrenia. Enemy medical staff would never know what had hit them, nor even that ONE illness had hit their population, rather than an unexplained rise in dozens of known conditions.
Honest doctors and scientists who tried to treat or research Lyme disease according to ethical principles have been viciously persecuted by government-backed organisations in the US, Europe and elsewhere. Many specialists in the US were threatened with loss of their license or had anonymous, false allegations sent to the medical board, which tied them up in mountains of paperwork and legal fees...some were forced out of medicine or even driven to suicide.
Instead, medical disinfo agents, most of whom have a background in military/biowarfare units, such as Dr Allen Steere, Mark Klempner, Philip Baker, Edward McSweegan, David Dennis, Alan Barbour etc were enabled to assume top positions in Lyme research , CDC, NIH etc from where they issued false information , covering up the true seriousness and chronic nature of the disease, and comdemned untold numbers to a living hell.
Please help Lyme patients publicise this scandal, which has caused suffering on a massive scale. Contact me by email if you are interested in helping.
Thank you.
Lisa
Lymerayja
e-mail: lymerayja@yahoo.co.uk
Homepage: http://www.lyme-rage.info
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/11/328067.html
Patricia A. Doyle, DVM, PhD- Bus Admin, Tropical Agricultural Economics
Please visit my "Emerging Diseases" message board at:
http://www.clickitnews.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?
Cat=&Board=emergingdiseases
Also my new website:
http://drpdoyle.tripod.com/
Zhan le Devlesa tai sastimasa
Go with God and in Good Health
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BryanE
climber
Minnesota
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Feb 11, 2016 - 09:44pm PT
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another nickname - coming from somebody who is in treatment for chronic neurological lyme for 380+ days and who had it undiagnosed for 8 years before that, you can go f*#k yourself. Inconsequential? Wow, don't even know where to start with you. I'm sorry and I know me getting angry isn't going to help convey my point but I don't care. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I'm herxing hard enough right now that I don't care to dig up studies and information for you tonight but I would be happy to do that at a later date and correct the torrent of bullshit spewing forth from your keyboard.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Feb 12, 2016 - 06:13am PT
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He is probably one of the Doctors on that list or a 731 member.
vvvvv didn't think of that although the writing style is different
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 12, 2016 - 06:33am PT
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Or Suprema?
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Karen
Trad climber
Prescott, AZ ~ God's country!!!!
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Feb 13, 2016 - 09:21pm PT
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Off topic a bit but I had chronic fatigue syndrome, it was very real and totally took me down for over six months. It wasn't until I got out of an extremely exhausting job that it began to subside and even then it,lingered but was able to live a better quality of life.
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climbingcoastie
Ice climber
Sacramento, CA
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Feb 13, 2016 - 10:24pm PT
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Another nickname,
Anyone that has been through or watched someone go through chronic Lyme's disease can assure you that you are way off mark. There are so many studies out there supporting either side of it that the article you referenced can be counterdited by another that was written by scientist. Look up the documentary "Under our skin". It shows you the struggle behind diagnosis, but if you're so quick to dismiss the disease I'm sure you already know the story and are benefiting from the "no such thing" side.
I've watched my wife go from having a masters in education and being very active to not being able to remember her kids names to bedridden for months and now, finally because we found a doctor to treat her she is starting to work again (but only part time). It has stressed our marrage, drained our bank account, an put my wife through hell. I don't give a damn what the disease is called, but that doctor saved my wife's life. And if the doctor calls it Lyme's then that's what I'm calling it too!!
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