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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 11, 2016 - 02:55pm PT
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It'll be a month easy before the FBI release to site back to the refuge staff.
Now there's a well-founded statement. No doubt there are a lot of Dorito
bags to be analyzed and catalogued as evidence as to who double-dipped.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Feb 11, 2016 - 02:55pm PT
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knock knock...
who's there?
Vietnam...
Vietnam who ?...
YOU DON'T KNOW YOU WEREN'T F U C K I N G THERE!!
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Feb 11, 2016 - 02:56pm PT
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If only these militia men had better access to the political system as the rest of us....
one has to be able to read, and be cognizant in order to vote.
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 11, 2016 - 02:58pm PT
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just how many life jackets does one need while floating on a river, in an inflatable raft?
one for each occupant?
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Feb 11, 2016 - 03:02pm PT
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How often do you go out to Malheur?
* Shotgun Bryan, What in the sam hill does that matter..That's the thing about public lands..you know the land is set aside for public use > if you so choose to visit or not....
BTW, there are plenty of articles about how this whole think has divided the community.
As a birder, hiker and camper.. it has sparked my interest for a future visit...
This is a quote from BHA, Backcountry hunters & anglers.
http://www.backcountryhunters.org/index.php/backcountry/current-news/1038-bha-statement-on-arrest-of-cliven-bundy-oregon-standoff-missoula-mont-in-the-wake-of-the-arrest-in-oregon-of-cliven-bundy-a-nevada-scofflaw-and-leader-of-a-movement-to-seize-public-lands-from-the-american-people-backcountry-hunters-anglers-president-and-c
MISSOULA, Mont. - In the wake of the arrest in Oregon of Cliven Bundy, a Nevada scofflaw and leader of a movement to seize public lands from the American people, Backcountry Hunters & Anglers President and CEO Land Tawney issued the following statement:
"The American people can take satisfaction in knowing that justice is being served to those who would steal or misappropriate our public lands and waters. Backcountry Hunters & Anglers thanks federal law enforcement personnel for arresting Mr. Bundy without incident. Cliven Bundy has given good ranchers a bad name through his illegal actions. He has consistently flouted the law and currently owes more than $1 million in federal grazing fees. He is a delinquent tenant on public lands who needs to be evicted.
"Now is the time to turn our attention to the Bundys' allies: the politicians, backroom funders and other radicals who would divest citizens of our public lands heritage and take what is rightfully ours. Sportsmen must take a strong stand on behalf of our American birthright."
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Feb 11, 2016 - 03:34pm PT
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Nita,
Jon Beck made the statement that the Malheur Wildlife Refuge was "was a national model of collaboration between the community and the Feds. I hope the damage to this effort is not permanent."
And then when pressed on the validity of such a broad sweeping statement, he backed it up, not with personal experience, but rather with "I did a bit of reading about Malheur"
Public land or not, spewing crap about a community you've never been to regarding a wildlife refuge you've never seen is bad form. And since I've been in the community, and I frequent the refuge, I'm in a unique position to call out the fact that he's full of crap.
If someone came on here and started spraying about a climb they've never done, they would get filleted (at least I hope they would). As a matter of fact, I think I read something about a wall in the valley that had that treatment and they made a movie about it. He spews about a place he's never even been to and the retards soak it up like it was some greater travesty since Malheur was the "model refuge for the entire country." What a bunch of crap.
By all means, come out and visit the refuge. Most will claim that its at its best in the spring, but I actually find it better in the fall just before duck season opens when the migration is in full effect and (usually) there is adequate water.
Maybe at least you will be better suited than Jon Beck and his supposed open mind to comment on the status of said refuge.
EDIT: Lake Lowell Deer Flat Refuge, which is across the border into Idaho is another exceptional bird watching location except in this case I find it better when there ISN'T much water because it tends to concentrate the wildlife to the exposed shorelines.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Feb 11, 2016 - 03:52pm PT
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Bryan, i had meant to write more to the above post, but had to sneak back to work...
Jon Beck made the statement that the Malheur Wildlife Refuge was "was a national model of collaboration between the community and the Feds. I hope the damage to this effort is not permanent."
Shotgun Brian, I was under that impression also^^^...When i have time, and i can find some quotes from local ranchers...i will post them -up.... One was a rancher speaking to NPR about the collaboration & how the siege was damaging all the work they had done.
There are two people he on the taco that have lived in Burns...Sthlbro, and SueL.....
ps...Thanks for the birding info..
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Feb 11, 2016 - 04:02pm PT
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I wonder if the Hammonds think that Malheur is a model of collaboration between the feds and local ranchers?
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jonnyrig
climber
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Feb 11, 2016 - 04:02pm PT
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You ought to try and experience something before you spew on it.
Take anal sex, for example...
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Feb 11, 2016 - 04:03pm PT
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OLR ^^^^^
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 11, 2016 - 04:18pm PT
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Now that the standoff is done I'm planning an armed takeover of Yosemite Valley to protest the 14 day camping limit. How dare the federal govt. restrict public access to OUR lands!
Who's with me?!
So what if 4 million people want to visit. And we can't accommodate all of them on extended visits.
Wait.. who cares about camping. Now I've decided to protest the 400 permits a day for the Half Dome cables. I'm setting up an armed standoff at the base of the cables. Anyone who shows up gets a free pair of gloves (note: may be mismatched)
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Feb 11, 2016 - 05:16pm PT
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I wonder if the Hammonds think that Malheur is a model of collaboration between the feds and local ranchers?
OK, I was wrong. Lois would never try to make a point so incredibly preposterous.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Feb 11, 2016 - 05:57pm PT
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just how many life jackets does one need while floating on a river, in an inflatable raft?
one for each occupant?
It was a rhetorical question.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2016 - 06:12pm PT
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Damn Essy, why does it bother you so much to see people work out their issues peacefully? Try to answer without making excuses for convicted felons.
I missed the LEB era but from other posts I have a pretty good idea of what she was like. But according to Essy I am just spewing, if I did not actually have a sexual relationship with LEB I could not possibly know her.
edit - Nita, the sheriff's speech was very good, worth watching Essy
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Feb 11, 2016 - 06:33pm PT
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kattz
climber
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Feb 11, 2016 - 06:56pm PT
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I bet Cliven expected FBI would be greeting him with a red carpet and giving a ride all the way to Malheur, with hookers, whiskey and "live streaming" in the limo. If the fool had stayed home may be wouldn't have gotten arrested...6 charges now.
Bundy Ranch facebook yesterday:
WAKE UP MILITA!
IT'S TIME!!!!!
CLIVEN BUNDY IS HEADING TO THE HARNEY COUNTY RESOURCE CENTER IN BURNS OREGON.
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Meet Cliven at the resource center, go now
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HEAD TO BURNS NOW!!! GATHER AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE AND GO NOW!!! WE WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED!
HEAD TO BURNS NOW!!! GATHER AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE AND GO NOW!!! WE WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED!
A little later:
UPDATE 10:54PM PST: Cliven Bundy just landed in Portland; we are being told by eyes on ground that he was surrounded by SWAT and DETAINED.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Feb 11, 2016 - 07:38pm PT
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The occupiers' attorney, Michael Arnold, is a real winner:
C. MICHAEL ARNOLD
OSB #011873
Eugene
Reprimand
On Jan. 17, 2008, the disciplinary board approved a stipulation for discipline reprimanding Eugene lawyer C. Michael Arnold for violating RPC 8.4(a)(2) (commit a criminal act that reflects adversely on the lawyer’s honesty, trustworthiness or fitness as a lawyer in other respects).
Arnold was the prosecutor for the City of Florence at a hearing in which a minor pled guilty to driving under the influence of intoxicants and entered into a diversion agreement. Arnold subsequently contacted the minor, ostensibly for the purpose of checking up on her, and suggested that they meet. Arnold drove the minor to a restaurant and purchased two glasses of wine for her in violation of ORS 471.410(2), which prohibits anyone, other than a parent or guardian, from selling, giving or otherwise making available any alcoholic liquor to a person under the age of 21.
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kattz
climber
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Feb 11, 2016 - 07:41pm PT
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Cliven's seeking a public defender now...he sure loves everything "public".
They've also arrested Blaine Cooper, finally.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Feb 11, 2016 - 07:43pm PT
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I kinda hope ol' Cliven insists on defending himself and brings his pocket constitution.
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