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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Nov 29, 2015 - 05:45am PT
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Good guy with a gun who is willing to defend his freedom?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 29, 2015 - 05:50am PT
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What are you trying to say, Yury?
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rincon
climber
Coarsegold
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Nov 29, 2015 - 07:07am PT
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It's pointless to argue with gun nuts, they'll rationalize anything and everything
Have a nice day!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 29, 2015 - 07:32am PT
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How are you proposing to usher in this utopia without legislation?
I'm not, the question was what would it take to stop the insanity...
Do you honestly think that by removing guns from the hands of a hundred-million law-abiding, responsible citizens you are going to usher in your utopia in which the killing stops?
I think melting down the other two hundred and fifty million guns would be a perfect start and limiting the kinds of weapons which are legal to possess - no grandfathering. There is no cogent argument for an AK for self-defense. There is no argument for flooding the nation with cheap handguns.
I further think guns ought to be titled, licensed and insured exactly like automobiles.
And if you cannot ENSURE that individual lives are not threatened by others, then how can you possibly propose to deprive those others of their NATURAL RIGHT to self-defense?
I would say that you have a second amendment right to own a weapon for self-defense even if the intent of that amendment has now been butchered by an activist right wing SCOTUS majority.
Nobody seriously believes in your utopia. Meanwhile, we DO believe in self-defense and not waiting for cops to arrive later to clean up the mess.
Nobody believes it is politically possible, particularly now that the country is flooded with many hundreds of millions of guns and the right's hysterical rhetoric around them.
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Nov 29, 2015 - 07:34am PT
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Wow!
I rarely if ever post my opinion on a gun control forum. I did and that person flipped out. So if I say people shouldn't have the right to pack heat everywhere they go some are ready to blow my head off for it. Frightening some, but mostly disturbing. Don't get in anybody's face and argue gun control, I forgot how some who carry guns get so threatened about the idea of it being taken away.
I was in the medical and emergency response field for four years and I did see gunshot victims and explosives victims. People have definitely not finished figuring out ways to F themselves up and F up those around them. I feel sorry for the gun nuts for carrying around so much anger about the threat to their right to pack their guns. It's freaky how crazy defensive they get. I better not talk about their right to procreate 24/7 or they'll probably unload on me for certain. Never mind that some think it's their God given right to preserve their family line for all posterity. As if there's any difference between a Jones, a Kanaka, a Garcia, or an Imbutu.
People shouldn't have the right to walk around with their sex organs in their pants. That would cut down on rape and testosterone induced gun violence as well. Leave your sex organs at home to take out and wag in front of intruders. It's the right thing to do. Rest assured I won't be posting anymore anti gun violence opinions for awhile, it's too much work and if you read the opinions of some of the paranoid gun nut protagonists for too long you might end up just like them. In the mean time the frightened cowardly hide behind my pistol 2nd amendment fear mongers can be pretty funny some times, if they weren't so sad, pathetic, depressed, psychotic, lonely, and horny.
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Nov 29, 2015 - 07:54am PT
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What are you trying to say, Yury? I apologize for my sense of humour.
How do we know in advance whether a particular guy with a gun is a "good guy" or a "bad guy"?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 29, 2015 - 07:57am PT
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Oh, Bushman! Oh, Bushman!
Show me your rod!
Who cares that it's Sunday?
Too peaceful, by God!
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Norton
Social climber
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Nov 29, 2015 - 08:00am PT
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How does a person with a traumatic brain injury acquire a firearm?
easy
just pick up any newspaper and go to the private gun sales in classified
no background checks required, anyone can get a gun fast
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Nov 29, 2015 - 08:25am PT
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I meant posterity, not prosperity, what was I thinking? Sorry Mouse, I left my rod at home.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Nov 29, 2015 - 08:31am PT
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Mad Bolter....... good rebuff to these dreamers....
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Nov 29, 2015 - 10:08am PT
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Maybe an aside. I recently thought that what we want/need are the same weapons. Where does it end? I would kind of like to recreationally shoot a bazooka, but consider my self a pragmatist. (hunting rifles and long barrel revolvers anyone?) My wife, a Luddite, ahem... with the wisdom of the ageds, says everyone should have a musket.
If the police constantly carry high capacity magazines, and assault rifles to neutralize the rare threat, how often will we see the disproportionate use of force? I imagine that it isn't difficult to squeeze off 19+ rounds, maybe too quickly, with just a bit of practice. NATO rounds go bang through walls, cars, tactical vests, etc. Where does that end?
same "weapons" (love of my wife, how does she put up with me?, take my wife, ... really!) bump
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Nov 29, 2015 - 12:46pm PT
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guns don't kill people, fat wafflehouse rednecks kill people...
...with guns.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 29, 2015 - 02:31pm PT
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I'm not, the question was what would it take to stop the insanity...
You can rephrase "the question," but the fact remains that desires have implications.
The only "stopping the insanity" is to create a Minority Report style police state, and even that won't work.
In a FREE nation, a tiny subset will abuse their freedom. We can only deal with such incidents AFTER the fact. What we don't do in a FREE nation is infringe on the rights of law-abiding citizens in pre-crime mode to "stop the insanity."
Really, you get one sort of nation or another. THIS nation was never designed to be "safe." It was designed to be free. Freedom implies some abusers.
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philo
climber
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Nov 29, 2015 - 02:47pm PT
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Would you agree that there are some people who probably shouldn't have access to guns?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 29, 2015 - 03:59pm PT
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Would you agree that there are some people who probably shouldn't have access to guns?
Absolutely!
And I have repeatedly stated and argued that I would favor limited additional gun-control legislation, such as closing gun-show loopholes and requiring purchaser background checks for ALL gun transfers.
There are really two different strands of argumentation in play in these gun threads: 1) "gun control" with the meaning of trying to keep guns out of the hands of those OBVIOUSLY mentally ill, criminals, and so on; 2) "gun control" with the meaning of systematically eliminating guns from (law-abiding) society.
I am in favor of a principled, reasoned approach to (1). I vehemently oppose (2).
Many will respond, "Nobody's trying to take your guns," but that's a lie. There are many on this very thread who advocate for it, and the Hillabeast herself is now advocating for it.
THAT will not fly, and it will be vehemently and even violently opposed by free Americans.
So, if you want to talk about (1), there's lots to talk about, and we can probably even come to some measure of consensus about it. But to my mind, (2) is a non-starter.
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philo
climber
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Nov 29, 2015 - 04:21pm PT
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Well Mad1 I know that in spite of what you choose to believe, I and most of the posters arguing for more effective gun control are coming from the standpoint of your #1 position. Few at this point are calling for the gun confiscations you and others fear. But try to understand that if this carnival of daily insanity at the point of a gun doesn't abate then public opinion will be too loud to drown out by the noise of gun fire.
Just like Anti-smoking reforms, anti drunk driver laws, Marriage Equality acceptance and Marijuana legalization once public opinion tips past 51% approval the politicians fall in line and radical changes occur. It's close now. It would be in regular gun owners own best interest to be like good Muslims and denounce these acts of the few and demand proper change. If you really think armed resistance will protect your gun rights you are living in a nineteenth century delusion.
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Norton
Social climber
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Nov 29, 2015 - 04:27pm PT
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Many will respond, "Nobody's trying to take your guns," but that's a lie. There are many on this very thread who advocate for it, and the Hillabeast herself is now advocating for it.
oh my, I must have missed that in my readings, where Hillary said she wanted to take your guns away from law abiding citizens,
got a couple of credible links I can catch up on where you got that information Mad?
thanks in advance
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 29, 2015 - 04:50pm PT
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where you got that information Mad?
You must be avoiding the constant news about her proposed "mandatory buyback program" a la Australia.
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canyoncat
Social climber
SoCal
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Nov 29, 2015 - 04:55pm PT
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Some poor lady working a minimum wage job loses her life and Supertopo manages to make it all about them. You should be so proud.
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