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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Are you guys ready to lose to a socialist or a woman?
Ho ho ho.
Get. Used. To. It. Losers.
( we sent trump to skuttle your ship of fools. He's our monkey and he'll say what we tell him to say.)
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2016 - 07:12am PT
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Good summary, crank.
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Norton
Social climber
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can't get to 270
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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12. I voted Democratic because my head is so firmly misplaced toward the south end of my body, it’s unlikely that I’ll ever have another point of view.
+100000000 cosmic.. lol perfect
Oh, yeah here's a couple of FACTS:
1) I have owned guns, and I'm a pretty good shot. I don't own one at present because I'm worried that someone might steal it and use it in a crime, or perhaps a child might get his hands on it and accidentally kill himself or someone else.
2) I don't vote Democrat, mainly because I'm Canadian TROLL
stewart you better go call MOMmy and Daddy..
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Just got back from voting. I'm pretty stoked to not be getting a dozen or more phone calls from politicians campaigns every day.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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I suspect you're right, crankster, but my prediction about New Hampshire is closer to J. P. Morgan's prediction about the stock market (when asked, he responded "It will fluctuate.") With so large an undecided Republican electorate, and the role of independents in the New Hampshire primary, any prediction on the Republican outcome has a very broad confidence interval.
John
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"can't get to 270"
Worth repeating
And understanding
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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John,
As always, I find your postings thoughtful, and backed by careful evaluation.
Where I think your argument fails, as it does for the socialists, is that it casts things in the extreme.
Where I come down, is in the middle. There are some things that are just BETTER when they are handled in a socialist manner. Fire Dept's are a good example. There was the recent example of the private fire dept, contracted by individuals in a community, where one who didn't contract had their home become alight. The fire dept stood there and watched it burn to the ground, with no concern other than to make sure it did not spread to it's subscribers.
Free enterprise at it's best.
We used to have much higher indivicual tax rates at the highest levels---90% if memory serves. During that time, I don't recall that business growth did not occur. That was partially during Reagan.
On the other hand, I don't believe that you believe in no safety net, at all. "Let them starve in the streets".
I think the problem is that there is little discourse towards the reasonable center.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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pyro: You certainly have no trouble proving what a stupid prick you are, but can you at least ONCE in your twisted existence try to make a sensible comment? Or is this something to do with your lobotomy?
Please attempt to stay in at least occasional contact with reality.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Ken, I agree. The argument to which I was responding is the classical socialist arguments of Thomas, Debs, et al., that capitalists are leeches stealing from the product of laborers.
In general, market economists would expect government to be the optimal provider of goods or services when the following hold true:
1. The good or service is a public good, meaning that there is no demand (in the economic sense, meaning that no one will pay for it) because there is no effective ability to exclude those who don't pay. Defense, police, etc. are good examples.
2. The good or service is a merit good, meaning that the society believes that everyone is entitled to a certain minimal amount, regardless of ability or willingness to pay. Basic necessities of life come to mind.
3. The good or service has an external benefit, meaning that people other than the payor benefit from provision of the good or service. Fire protection (because it prevents a fire from spreading), mosquito abatement, education (because it provides a more infored [if you're an optimist] - or at least less misinformed [if you're a pessimist] electorate, and provides a workforce able to be more productive), and cleaner air and water are examples.
As usual, the real issue is what to do with the fringes. Markets allocate goods and services imperfectly. So does government. We usually end up comparing imperfections.
Again, the arguments I made above were referring to the economic analysis and consequent policy prescriptions of Norman Thomas and Eugene Debs, among others, and was directed primarily at one of Gary's posts (and I consider Gary a friend and worthy intellectual opponent, even though we have yet to meet in person). I never intended them to mean that government should undertake no economic activity.
John
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2016 - 04:00pm PT
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1 minute until polls close, turnout has been high and apparently Republican voters were pretty late in making a decision with 50% deciding at the last minute. This is going to be really interesting (and not good for Trump).
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WBraun
climber
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Quarkloons and quackloons will be sent to swim in the Flint Michigan pond.
The Quackulator will join the Putinator to save the world from all the loons .....
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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^^^^^^too funny. The Quackulator is one of ST'S greatest.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Is that before or after they chug the water?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2016 - 05:46pm PT
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Looks like the exit polls were definitive enough for the AP to call right at closing. Probably won't know until really late tonight what the margins look like.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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T Hocking: I can't believe that you're so proud of your ignorance that you'd post it on two separate threads.
Politics may suck, but the only way thinks will get better is if people like you get off their asses and get out and vote for a better alternative to whatever you so dislike about the status quo.
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dirtbag
climber
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Rubio is currently in 5th place.
Rubio is currently in 5th place.
Rubio is currently in 5th place.
Rubio is currently in 5th place.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2016 - 06:58pm PT
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Kasich coming in second. I've been waiting for him to pull through. This is his big chance and I bet the RNC pounces.
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