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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 12, 2015 - 03:08pm PT
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hey there say, all... (someone did do a thread, a ways back on sleepy driving?? or something?)
THIS IS A REFRESHER course, :)
FOR ALL our taco folks:
something that you CAN do for your families, and loved ones... and, for other humans out on the road...
decide to--GET more sleep, BEFORE a trip...
MAKE yourself get-- MORE SLEEP , before a CLIMB...
plan better--USING heavy machinery...
... we don't want you to LAPSE for a few seconds,
and:
1--have a car accident...
2--make a MISCALL on the climbing...or with climbing equipment, etc... :(
or even fall asleep in mid climb, in a 'study' positions of 'where to
step, or reach, next...
3--have a heavy machinery accident...
4--any other, etc...
most likely you've felt this a bit, at home, when you've been up too late, and you 'were losing' it...
YOU know--things you were saying were NOT making sense, or you were
not doing your checkbook right, or forgetting what you read, in your
book... etc...
you think you are still awake...
but your brain was asleep...
http://www.sleepdex.org/microsleep.htm :
Microsleep episodes last from a few seconds to two minutes, and often the person is not aware that a microsleep has occurred. In fact, microsleeps often occur when a person's eyes are open. While in a microsleep, a person fails to respond to outside information. A person will not see a red signal light or notice that the road has taken a curve, which is why this phenomenon is of particular interest to people who study drowsy driving. During a microsleep, a pilot might not be aware of flashing alarm lights in the cockpit.
Microsleeps are most likely to occur at certain times of the day, such as pre-dawn hours and mid-afternoon hours when the body is programmed to sleep.
Microsleep periods become more prevalent with cumulative sleep debt. In other words, the more sleep deprived a person is, the greater the chance a microsleep episode will occur.
It is not clear what happens in the brain during microsleep. It appears that some part of the brain effectively falls asleep while the rest is awake. This could account for selective loss of awareness without the person feeling he or she has been asleep.
the following signs and symptoms of fatigue are common:
Increased negativity and irritability, bad mood;
Inability to concentrate;
Lack of energy;
Short-term memory loss;
Apathy;
Poor communication; and
Perseveration on ineffective solutions.
-->LACK OF SLEEP adds up so MUCH that the BRAIN, IN DIRE NEED OF SLEEP:
WILL 'AUTOMATICALLY' just go to sleep...
(i read about this years agao, from a highway patrol man's, sad
story about his wife)...
NO--YOU WILL not know it is happening, and no: you can not stop it,
when it does... it becomes 'auto' as a safety for the brain...
though, sadly, the brain will not KNOW that you are driving, and that
you are in immediate:
though, physical DANGER (not body-internal-health danger)...
hmmm... or... or:
OR--perhaps you are operating machinery, or:
on A CLIMB ??? ... :o
this can affect your use of ropes, equipment, and who knows
what else... you are the climbers... you will know...
reaching for something??
miss hooking??
thinking that you are ALREADY ROPED IN, or your anchor was
JUST fixed... :O
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsleep
http://atigo.com/microsleep.htm
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/481189
big shock for this guy:
[youtube=haTApXretfg#t=32]
(can't get it to work)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haTApXretfg#t=32
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110427131814.htm
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-25593327
http://www.quit-yer-snoring.com/microsleep.html
If you've ever lost your keys or stuck the milk in the cupboard and the cereal in the refrigerator, you may have been the victim of a tired brain region that was taking a quick nap.
Researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison have a new explanation. They've found that some nerve cells in a sleep-deprived yet awake brain can briefly go "off line," into a sleep-like state, while the rest of the brain appears awake.
"Even before you feel fatigued, there are signs in the brain that you should stop certain activities that may require alertness," says Dr. Chiara Cirelli, professor of psychiatry at the School of Medicine and Public Health. "Specific groups of neurons may be falling asleep, with negative consequences on performance."
(from this link, again, which i may have already posted)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110427131814.htm
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2015 - 12:56am PT
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hey there say, ... just a bump for the weekend crowd...
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overwatch
climber
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Nov 13, 2015 - 06:22am PT
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I have a lot of experience in this matter, from being sleep deprived from my job to sleep deprivation training that I have undergone in my life; my record is 60 hours without drugs. This was after a week long shoot filming a Ricky Martin video. I almost fell asleep riding a motorcycle home in the dead of winter.
My most recent experience takes the cake however. I just spent 10 days in Thailand with 3 to 4 hours sleep each day, full training days and major Thailand carousing at night. The night before departing for home I had no sleep and could do no more than doze during the long flight home.
I landed at LAX fairly dehydrated from the flight then had to drive from LAX to my home in Phoenix. I knew I was losing it so I took advantage of every rest area, at one point I lost 3 hours in what seemed like seconds after pulling into a rest area to sleep. I had gone into a dream state while driving. this in particular had never happened to me before. There I was driving along thinking random thoughts and suddenly I was in a vivid dream state as I veered off the road.
Luckily the idiot bumps woke me up and there weren't very many cars around. I got back home early Tuesday morning and I'm just now starting to feel normal again.
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overwatch
climber
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Nov 13, 2015 - 06:28am PT
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damn dingus I consider myself fortunate compared to that. I vow to never let it happen to me again and I have been pretty good about it until this last trip with the jet lag...brutal
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overwatch
climber
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Nov 13, 2015 - 06:37am PT
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yeah the travel part took most of the fun out of the trip that's for sure. I will definitely look into the ambien thanks for the scoop
I'd rather rise with the dawn patrol than to die with the club scene.
Great line by the way
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Nov 13, 2015 - 10:33am PT
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Can't help but think of Fred Beckey's epic weekend trips where he'd drive many hours, bushwhack into some gnarly new route in the backcountry, bushwhack out, and drive home with the windows rolled all the way down to stay awake…
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 13, 2015 - 11:08am PT
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Spiny, he rolled the windows down so he could talk to people as he drove by. ;-)
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Karen
Trad climber
Casper, Wyoming
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Nov 13, 2015 - 11:50am PT
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In a week I have to drive 1,000 miles and wondering how I am going to pull this off.
DMT your idea of pulling over and sleeping sounds good.
In the past nothing has worked, coffee, slapping my face mini rests. So it sounds like I really need to pull over and try to sleep.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 13, 2015 - 11:53am PT
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In the past nothing has worked
You need to pull into some truck stop and talk to some of the nice drivers.
They've got the cure for what ails ya, and it ain't brown liquid.
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hamersorethumb
Trad climber
Menlo Park, CA
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Nov 13, 2015 - 11:59am PT
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Thanks for sharing this life saving information.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2015 - 04:08pm PT
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hey there, say... dingus...
whewww... man oh man... so glad you are still here...
YES--for loved ones NEED you!!
and to all of you...
you ARE loved and needed by your families...
say, karen, wow, as to this:
In the past nothing has worked, coffee, slapping my face mini rests. So it sounds like I really need to pull over and try to sleep.
that is what is so very scary...
folks ACTUALLY do think that works...
(though you HAVE noted that it does not--good for you, to realize it)...
MANY FOLKS, think that because they CAUGHT their head, 'dropping' they
have just CAUGHT themselves from falling asleep... when, in reality,
they WERE asleep and just woke up... and unknown to them,
will do it AGAIN, unless they stop and sleep it off...
the reason, again, is the brain, when it is triggered to fall asleep,
will just do it...
talking to it, stimulating, etc, will NOT stop it...
it is ON AUTO pilot then,
another part of the brain, however, is till on HABIT pilot, and
holds the wheel and will STILL even keep pressing the gas pedal...
:O
the reason folks will not believe that they EVEN fell asleep (the articles and studies show--is that the brain will not 'remember' the sleep, unless it last long enough for the 'regular, habit-?-brain, to have registered it all) ...
me, being a mommy, yep, i know i always SAY that... but, well,
having learned 'mommy type info for kids and loved ones' ...
well--i just GOT to share...
stay in tune with your body, folks, dear folks, and at least
DO ALL you can, as to this bit of knowledge...
you don't want to ever regret that you did NOT...
and prayers for us all, as, there are others out there, that drink and drive, or shun sleep... :(
say, if any of you get a chance to see the video of the guy on the driving test and how they SHOWED him at which points, he was ACTUALLY asleep and did not know it... link over and see it...
edit:
you are welcome... to all that shared here, and
stopped by, to read... :)
so many names, can't type them all, right now...
:)
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2015 - 04:28pm PT
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hey there say... thanks to the 'bump'...
here is some other info, that was really good solid stuff...
**helpful hints:
from here:
http://www.medem.com/?q=medlib/article/ZZZHD2NDIWE**
Here are some potentially life-saving tips for avoiding drowsy driving:
Be well rested before hitting the road. If you have several nights in a row of fewer than seven to eight hours of sleep, your reaction time slows. Restoring that reaction time to normal often takes more than one night of good sleep, because your sleep debt accumulates after each night you lose sleep. It may take several nights of being well rested to repay that sleep debt and ensure that you are ready for driving on a long road trip.
Avoid driving between midnight and 7 a.m. Unless you are accustomed to being awake then, this period of time is when we are naturally the most tired.
Don't drive alone. A companion who can keep you engaged in conversation might help you stay awake while driving. (added not: they will NOT keep you awake, but--they WILL know if you are 'sounding odd' or 'losing concentration)
Schedule frequent breaks on long road trips. If you feel sleepy while driving, pull off the road and take a nap for 15 to 20 minutes.
Don't drink alcohol. Just one beer when you are sleep deprived will affect you as much as two or three beers when you are well rested.
Don't count on caffeine. Although drinking a cola or a cup of coffee might help keep you awake for a short time, it won't overcome excessive sleepiness or relieve a sleep debt.
Opening a window or turning up the radio won't help you stay awake while driving. (micro sleep can still set in--
your brain just shuts down no such stimulation registers then)
Be aware of these warning signs that you are too sleepy to drive safely: trouble keeping your eyes focused, continual yawning or being unable to recall driving the last few miles.
Remember, if you are short on sleep, stay out of the driver's seat!
edit:CHP, phil konstantin's story, about his wife's death:
http://americanindian.net/sleep.html
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2016 - 01:17am PT
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hey there say... my micro sleep reminder...
had not bumped this for OH MY-- a year????
here is some newer links...
QUOTE FROM ANOTHER MICRO-SLEEP ARTICLE: "This sudden head jerk is how people commonly know they've had a micro-sleep as the brain doesn't remember such short naps.
"Sleep has to last beyond a minute or two for your brain to remember it," says Prof Horne, who studied driver tiredness for 10 years. "With micro-sleep, you are just left with a feeling of not knowing if you are coming or going." (from the bbc article)
https://www.verywell.com/description-of-microsleep-3015366
https://sleephabits.net/microsleep
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-25593327
some notes that i shared on another site:
LEARN WHAT MICRO SLEEP IS!!! yes, you CAN BE ASLEEP even with your EYES OPEN, while listening to someone... you can't 'stop' micro sleep... head jerks, nodding, etc, are all signs THAT YOU HAVE JUST actually REALLY fallen asleep for a few seconds... learn what this is... does this happen to you?? THIS IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS FOR -- DRIVERS... MACHINE OPERATORS... AND for making a judgement on something, or, even reaching for the right medicine, cleaners, tools, etc... and--WATCHING babies...
--and for climbers...
split second, and you fall...
DO NOT CLIMB TIRED...
YOU ARE ALL LOVED, AND cared about...
>:D<
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2016 - 03:13pm PT
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hey there say... bump for the day crowd... :)
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 27, 2016 - 03:20pm PT
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Does Micro-Sleep cause Micro-Agression?
Maybe the uptick in whiney Millennials could be resolved by a nice nap.
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