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cavemonkey
Ice climber
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Oct 10, 2015 - 12:38am PT
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Proper self disclosure bump to a brave man
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 10, 2015 - 06:28am PT
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Not to make light of any man's revelations or ruminations, but as a seller of pop culture self-help books I got to see my share of notions of how to approach life.
The warrior's Path is a popular theme for younger male readers seeking answers to life's persistent problems, and one of the gurus of that genre is a cat named Dan Millman.
Here is a guy who has this system and he's gonna plug you into it, not mould it to fit your contours. It's kind of what I don't like about the military from the get-go, though I realize they are stuck with less than ideal raw material in many cases--the Zeroes and Beetle Baileys and not the Chuck Norrises and the Rambos.
The male equivalent of a Cosmopolitan Magazine marriageability test? Close, I think.
http://www.peacefulwarrior.com/life-purpose-calculator
Do your thing and calculate how you fit in.
I don't know how seriously to take the results of this and don't care, cuz I'm way past caring. Let God sort them out, I'm tired.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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Oct 10, 2015 - 08:34am PT
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Great post Bruce.
Much respect,
Erik
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Oct 10, 2015 - 09:09am PT
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Very thoughtful personal honest post Bruce.
It's good to see that you are handling your "duality" far better than I and many of my career combat orientated professional "Shipmates" are.
Be thankful for that. Trust me. For this is our daily battle and one that is so difficult to discern.... dealing with the "duality".
[Click to View YouTube Video]
If anyone here on ST can/may understand the above & below "duality" statements, it would be you, Bruce.
And this is the down and dirty reality of the "duality" many of us Combat Vets are dealing with, 24/7...
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4510217/montel-williams-andrew-tahmooressis-detention-mexico
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Oct 11, 2015 - 09:30am PT
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Survival,
Great post and one most of us can relate to one way or another.
25 years ago I worked on the Exxon Valdez spill and had to take a survival course. By chance, most of the 15 students in that class were Exxon management types. I got to talking to them on breaks and found that most of them were card carrying Sierra Club Members. Whoda guessed?
Like you I was raised in that same time frame.
My father was a Navy medic which put him with the Marines on Guadalcanal.
My mother was a Marine.
The army got me when I was young, so it took awhile for my anti-authoritarian nature to blossom,
but even after that, I always respected the discipline, personal responsibility and merit based culture of the military.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Oct 11, 2015 - 05:43pm PT
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Bump for an excellent and thoughtful thread.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Oct 11, 2015 - 08:44pm PT
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So now we can rename you the Struggler? Enjoyed your recent visit to the Cruz Bruceman and look forward to more rendezvous adventures in the future. Wonderful family you have there mate.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 11, 2015 - 10:58pm PT
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Thanks so much for the kind comments everybody. I knew some people would understand, because everyone seems to have a little "triality" in them.
In this case I was having one of those days where I was spinning out about the state of the world. I was worrying what kind of world my kids would end up in, torn between my George Martin Luther Gandhi Harrison, peace and clean rivers self, and my let's carpet bomb the holy f*#k out of ISIS self. In turn that got me thinking about the duality scene in Full Metal Jacket. It brought a smile to my face, and made me realize that we're all in this beautiful sh#t storm together....
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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Oct 11, 2015 - 11:01pm PT
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Thanks for being you, Bruce - it brings a side to us that have never seen the harder element.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 12, 2015 - 08:29am PT
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Bad climber, is he still conflicted, or did he go full gung ho?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 12, 2015 - 08:46am PT
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Yeah, Survival, it sucks being pissed off at everyone - the head-in-the-sand hippies and the
nihilist military-industrial-politicos. What got me the most was being given orders by morons
for moronic reasons like "because it's there."
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Oct 12, 2015 - 09:30am PT
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for moronic reasons like "because it's there."
Reilly,
I love your sense of irony and humor. Best way to keep our sanity.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Oct 12, 2015 - 03:34pm PT
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Some things are trip reports, some are much more. Thanks for sharing, enjoyed learning more about you.
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couchmaster
climber
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Oct 12, 2015 - 04:29pm PT
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Conflicts come with the territory. I served. I was conflicted too. No big deal. I think it's common. And don't thank me for it either as I don't want to hear that sh#t cause it sounds insincere to my ears, and I'm not thanking anyone else.
My grandfather was still conflicted about living in a F**xing Belgium trench in WW1 well over 70 years after the event.
My dad didn't say a single word about his WW2 service to his wife till the day he died. Not a single word. My mom accidentally learned that he was in Germany killing Germans well after he had passed away. My wife's father was near the same. I got him talking one day, but the wife had never heard a word about any of it and that was interesting considering that the man was in the most decorated unit in WW2, in the company with the highest causality rate in the battalion. Not. A. Word did he breath of any of it to any of his family.
That's conflict right there. Struggle on brothers till it ends. Life is suffering they say.
Sometimes. But most times it's bliss. That's some serious duality right there.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 12, 2015 - 06:55pm PT
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Couch, not quite sure what you're saying.
There's conflict, but its no big deal?
It's not worth talking about but you're talking about it?
It's only worth talking about if you were in a trench in Belgium, except then you can't talk about it?
I clearly thought it was worth mentioning or I wouldn't have mentioned it.
Sounds like you have a bit of a hard on about something...
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couchmaster
climber
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Oct 12, 2015 - 08:29pm PT
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Couch, not quite sure what you're saying. Wut? English it was. I can refine it a bit Bruce.
There's conflict, but its no big deal? Right. There's always conflict. Always. Suck it up.
It's not worth talking about but you're talking about it? My bad.
It's only worth talking about if you were in a trench in Belgium, except then you can't talk about it? No, none of those guys ever talked about it, yet only one was in a trench in Belgium with the Marines. I've talked about it to my kids if they asked. Full meal deal too. My grown boy, I pitched not long ago that it would be OK if he joined up. He said something like "are you nuts"? Clearly he had been listening. Thus the duality, for me.
I clearly thought it was worth mentioning or I wouldn't have mentioned it. Mention away, free country. I thought you wanted others voices to the discussion and that's why you put it out on a public forum. Otherwise, why not just talk to yourself. Lots of folk do that. It works for them and it can work for you too.
Sounds like you have a bit of a hard on about something... Huh? Wut? Do you have one of them there security camera pointing in here or what? "Hard on" you say? Mumphhhh. Might have had one last week. But I ain't sayin'. Unless you got this camera evidence you say you do. But it's pretty small so don't think that's so special or nuthin. There's bigger worms in the garden in these parts so I don't think you need to be worrying over my appendage. Hope that helped you out or somethin'....you gots the questions, I gots the answers......... Or not. Maybe you should re-read what I said as I'd never bring up my tiny penis in public like that.
Wuz talking about my father and father in law here, I do not believe I could pay the price that they had to pay: "That's conflict right there. Struggle on brothers till it ends. Life is suffering they say. " Don't see a word in there about my small dick. Sigh.....but I can see how you might have read between the lines and seen that. Just thinking about some of this sh#t makes me feel insecure and worried for my kids.
Here ya go [Click to View YouTube Video]
It's a duality thing.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Oct 12, 2015 - 08:43pm PT
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Reilly...Don't be hatin on Mallory...rj
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 12, 2015 - 08:50pm PT
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I did mention away, thanks.
Your gramps and dad never said a word so no one else should either is kind of the way your post read to me.
If one was in a trench in WWI, and one was killing Nazis in WWII, its kind of a big deal. That's why we write endless books about it and make documentaries.
You're having a duality right now!
Heh heh
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