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Ryan Tetz
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 7, 2015 - 06:13pm PT
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Meadow restoration this season. The fence was specifically built because the bridge area has become often too crowded with climber coffee and hanging out'ers overflowing into the road. There will soon be a designated impact area in front of the fence for future climber coffee's and talk of restoring the current views of El Cap from that spot of with more trees being cleared out in between eventually :
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Yeah, and Upper River will be back, soon.
Why don't they just admit that humans are incompatible with wilderness and shut the place down?
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c wilmot
climber
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No hard hats or steel toe boots?
Roger Farmer will not like this
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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I hope the digging is easy . . . those post hole digging tools suck in rocky ground.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Denver CO
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Why don't they just admit that humans are incompatible with wilderness and shut the place down?
Because no one has initiated a legal action, lobbied Congress, etc. A group of anonymous people sued over the commercialization of the park and its impact on the Merced River, which thankfully is a protected wild river. But that protection only extends so far from the river. I was told that above a certain height off the ground, el Cap and other cliff areas become protected wilderness areas, and governed by those rules instead of the normal park rules. I have not verified that, and it was probably in the context of bolts and anchors. Anyway, I think the solution is to designate the entire valley as a protected wilderness area and throw all the commercial businesses out.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Days of the elcap lieback are numbered...
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Are they really going to "enhance the view" by chopping down more trees?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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hard free climbing will set you free...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Those are hitching posts. Soon, only horses will be allowed in the valley.
And then the boardwalks came with the guidelines preventing tourists from jumping into the disappearing meadow. Only law breakers breach the walk to visit the rivers edge, and those with Red Carpet fishing permits (which cost $1,000 apiece).
As for cutting down trees to better the views, there'll be no need--the beetles and drought are doing it for us.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Wonder if and when they may see fit to pave El Cap meadow for paid parking with fee for view spotting scopes and climbers that are paid to climb for the tourist. Kinda like the Matterhorn at Disneyland.
Werner?
Peace
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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I HOPE ALL YOU MEADOW PLANTS ARE HAPPY NOW!!!!!!
Which brings up the subject of fines and other penalties, which may require more expense for signs, enforcement, etc.
They won't need 'em for hitchin' posts because they're kickin' out the trail riders in the valley this year, too.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Coulda just kicked the traffic distraction off the bridge, but they didn't do that.
You mean the climbers?
You should go hang out there sometime, maybe after a climb? It's fun. You get to meet all types of climbers from all over the world.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Has the park service forgotten that those meadows were artificially enhanced by the first residents of yosemite with fire? So therefore they are protecting human legacy, not nature's work.....
Edit
Settlers also influenced meadow ecology by stopping anthropogenic burning of the meadows by the American Indians. From an ecological viewpoint, it is likely that fire historically promoted meadow stability by reducing the encroachment of surrounding forests; however, based on the observed geologic stability of many of Yosemite's meadows, it is unlikely that those Indian fires were key to maintaining all meadows. Today, more than a century later, it remains a huge scientific (and management) challenge to decipher the relative impacts to Tuolumne Meadows of a variety of factors—including historic sheep grazing and burning, more "modern" infrastructure developments, current recreational use, and documented climatic changes like less snowpack and earlier snowmelt.
http://www.nps.gov/yose/learn/nature/meadows.htm
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Lambone
Big Wall climber
Ashland, Or
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Nov 24, 2015 - 01:08pm PT
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I don't mind the fence. I think ity totally sucks they chopped down all those healthy trees in the meadow though...WTF!!!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 24, 2015 - 01:23pm PT
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Those trees are an invasive species..lol
I say they should redamn up the merced where the moraine wall was blown open in order to drain the meadows in the first place.. back in the 1800s.
There is nothing particularly natural about the valley floor anymore.. the question should not be about restoration (that is imposssible)..it should be..what do we want it to be like.
I sure as hell am not looking forward to a BS boardwalk and no more chillin at the big oak in the back..
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couchmaster
climber
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Nov 24, 2015 - 03:23pm PT
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They didn't cut down the trees. They "restored the meadow". We discussed this on ST back when a ranger posted up "don't trim trees on trails" and the mainstream news carried the story "park to cut over a 1000 trees". Turns out the trees were blocking tourist views.
But don't trim up trees next to trails that's against the rules, better you take a stick in the eye hiking down in the dark.
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