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John M
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Oct 11, 2015 - 10:03pm PT
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Chief, I have never been for disarming everyone. Of course the good guys have to have guns because we are still a violent people.
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The Chief
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Oct 11, 2015 - 10:09pm PT
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No answer MOOSE other than it's "time to move on".
What frking fantasy land do you live in MOOSE?? Tell these people that "It's time to move on" ....
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Just another loon that lives in loon la la land... Moosedrool.
And ALL the guns used in the above shootings/murders were illegal and not one gun control law or regulation currently on the books prevented any of them from occurring. Not a one.
Why is that MOOSEDROOL?
But something needs to be done.
What?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Oct 11, 2015 - 10:20pm PT
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The "founding documents" are just some 300 years old ideas. Maybe it's time to move on?
It's seriously SCARY to me how many people presently float this idea.
Is the right to life just some quaint, 300-year-old idea?
If not, then the right of self-defense is also not a quaint, old idea.
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The Chief
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Oct 11, 2015 - 10:39pm PT
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The Chief, many countries had to deal with a similar problem at some point. Maybe we can learn from them? Australia comes to mind.
You're kidding right Moosedrool. You are now going to compare Australia with the inner city gun violence that occurs in this nation every single day.
How do you propose rounding up the millions of illegal guns from the 100's of thousands of street thugs?
You are one of the many here that state the Cops in America have too much power as it is. SO... who do you propose will do do all the arms confiscations from all those thugs, MOOSEDROOL?
many countries had to deal with a similar problem at some point.
Name a few "countries" that even come close to the situations I showed in the videos I posted and how they took care of the issue, MOOSEDROOL!
BURCH...
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSH! That is considered racial profiling.
locker
climber
STFU n00b!!!
Oct 11, 2015 - 10:31pm PT
"Time to take a HIT of Federally illegal marijuana...
Something many Republicans also do.."
"NOT those that are confessed recovering addicts/alcoholics."...
Could you possibly be a bigger idiot???...
I don't make that claim...
I only claim not to drink alcohol (Accept at Blitzo's memorial) or do the heavy SHET anymore...
Odd LOcker... I never stated that you were a Recovering Republican addict/alcoholic.
But you do own lots of guns and are on a gun control thread as an advocate for more gun restrictions.
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The Chief
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Oct 11, 2015 - 10:52pm PT
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locker
climber
STFU n00b!!!
Oct 11, 2015 - 08:52pm PT
Don't sell guns to people with PTSD...
Nor Don't sell guns to people with a long history of illegal drug addiction. Absolutely NO guarantee that they will remain clean.
locker
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STFU n00b!!!
Oct 11, 2015 - 10:31pm PT
I don't make that claim...
I only claim not to drink alcohol (Accept at Blitzo's memorial) or do the heavy SHET anymore...
EDITED:
Been 16 plus years...
Somewhere in there...
I forget...
I just took a HIT...
Happy Tokes there LOcker. Don't let that "hard shet" and your guns come back and haunt you .... You know, all them years of your professionally counseling others to stay away and stay clean and all, regardless the how little amount the "shet" may be.
Goes along with Fruitz and his confessed dear love for his guns and Norton letting us all know that he's packing 24/7.
As well as this wonderful tid bit of, Hypocrisy...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/13/us-saudi-arabia-arms-deal
BTW: Over $12.4 Billion of that was in lots and lots of GUNS and AMMO from all them guns and ammo manufacturers you all disdain so badly! Much of which was certainly used just recently in Yemen and killed an untold amount of humans in a two-three month period.
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philo
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Oct 12, 2015 - 05:24am PT
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Don't sell guns to people with PTSD...
Nor Don't sell guns to people with a long history of illegal drug addiction. Absolutely NO guarantee that they will remain clean.
Well no wonder you oppose any new regulations.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oct 12, 2015 - 05:27am PT
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Isn't it kind of lame to spend a Sunday night arguing with a bunch of strangers online when you could be watching a movie or doing something else meaningful with your wives/girlfriends/etc?
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philo
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Oct 12, 2015 - 05:54am PT
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Well you are here.
Why? If its so annoying and a stupid waste of time why do you engage in the thread?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oct 12, 2015 - 06:03am PT
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Nice burn, philo. You are the mac daddy of trash talk... clearly, the baddest motherf*#ker on this forum. No doubt, you could hold your own in the toughest junior high locker room. Keep doing what you do. Bringing the smack. It's invaluable.
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jstan
climber
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Oct 12, 2015 - 06:09am PT
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Thank you GLillegard for the Aljazeera and Post articles.I had not seen them. I'd like to argue a hypothesis.
Humans prefer easy answers. After the start of Islam a disagreement arose as to who was the true leader of the faith. People took the easy route and started killing each other. It was not so easy it turns out. Sunni and Shia are still killing each other a millennium later. When sick we pop pills. When teens can no longer stand their life they end it. When society has a problem we expect a magic solution, with no increase in taxes. Guns are a particularly attractive easy solution. An adversary is killed with a simple squeeze of the fore finger. It is so easy you can feel the gun did it not you. Rather like dropping bombs. No psychological stress and no consequences. If we had just used the trillions spent on the Iraq War to buy the oil itself, drowning would have been our major problem. We have given up on the idea politics are an easy answer. So we don't do politics any more.To see that just look at Congress.
What to do? Simple. Pick a problem and look for a difficult answer. Ought to be natural for climbers.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Oct 12, 2015 - 06:35am PT
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Problem ---> Solution only works for simple systems.
Machines mostly, and even then root-cause analysis can be extremely complex. When confronted with something as intricate as the human mind and a network of human minds all smashed together the complexity rises to near infinite levels. This is especially true when all we have to analyze the problem is.... a human mind.
All the more reason the machines we are building now will eventually recognize us as the threat and act accordingly.
But before SkyNet becomes self-aware, we can get some climbing in.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
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Oct 12, 2015 - 07:09am PT
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Isn't it kind of lame to spend a Sunday night arguing with a bunch of strangers online when you could be watching a movie or doing something else meaningful with your wives/girlfriends/etc?
oh snap!
This is what grumpy old trads do when the ol wee-wee ain't like it used to be.
Interweb squabbling gets the testosterone raised.
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overwatch
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Oct 12, 2015 - 07:14am PT
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I am all for that "doing something else" part.
This thread caught like a California wildfire, incredible and beyond the pale.
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The Chief
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Oct 12, 2015 - 07:35am PT
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Solutions John M and Winemaker?
Here's some of mine and some are currently already on the books but NOT applied.
You can start with and add the following:
1. Take ALL federal funding away from any city that practices the "Sanctuary City" philosophy and enables known felon illegals. Many of which are allowed back on the streets to re-offend in a heinous violent manner and many utilize an illegal gun in the process.
2. NO plea bargains allowed if any kind of weapon is used in that commission of crime.
3. A Mandatory 5 year Federal Sentence with NO parole if you are caught with an illegally acquired gun.
4. A Mandatory 10 year Federal Sentence with NO parole if you use a gun in the commission of a crime. That will be added to the sentence for the crime/s that one committed. iF the weapon is found to be an illegal one, add the 5 Year Sentence to that.
5. A Mandatory 10 year Federal Sentence with NO parole if you are caught selling any weapon outside of current FFL etc regulations and laws. IF that weapon is found to be an illegal one, add the 5 Year Sentence to that.
** None of the above have an age limitation on them either.
There's about 200 more already on the books just as the above but that should do for now!
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Oct 12, 2015 - 08:05am PT
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I think a solution requires more than just jail time. Most of the nutjobs doing these shootings kill themselves anyway, so jail won't help much. Maybe require liability insurance of gun owners? Mandatory gun safes? Will think on this, but must make wine now. Two more days of harvesting and all the grapes are picked!
And Chief, I'm a 'natural born citizen' just like your buddy Ted Cruz; my father was a Yank & I have two passports. Sure makes it easy to come and go.
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The Chief
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Oct 12, 2015 - 08:19am PT
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I think a solution requires more than just jail time. Most of the nutjobs doing these shootings kill themselves anyway...
What??
There were 22 shootings in South Chicago over this past weekend with 8 fatalities.
There were 29 shootings in St. Louis this past weekend with 5 fatalities.
There were 19 shootings in New Orleans that past weekend with 7 fatalities.
There were 21 shootings in So Miami this past weekend with 4 fatalities.
On and On and On and.....
ALL the above were gang/drug related.
I guess ALL those that occur daily on the streets of this nation, DON'T matter.
Maybe require liability insurance of gun owners? Mandatory gun safes?
Yup.. these "gun owners" will certainly oblige so willingly...
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philo
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Oct 12, 2015 - 08:28am PT
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24 deaths in 131 shootings. That doesn't even compare to a single school shooting where one heavily armed parasite can take down that many in a single episode.
Do the math. Or have mommy do it for you.
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The Chief
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Oct 12, 2015 - 08:51am PT
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