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guy
Novice climber
palm springs
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 7, 2002 - 03:49pm PT
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What is an offwidth? Is there such a thing as an offwidth hand crack, or an offwidth finger crack?
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Jason
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2002 - 04:33pm PT
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I think the official definition is: anything bigger than your fist and smaller than your body. And ditto to the last guys explanation of other off sizes (usually harder than non-off sizes).
Most of the time when I see offwidth in a book, it means either offwidth as I explained it or squeeze chimney (more often squeeze actually). So anything from 3.5" to 12" (depending on hand and foot size) falls in that range.
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Sue
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2002 - 10:42pm PT
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Offwidth: awful, tortuous, and incomprehensible anathema to some; joyful, twisted, perverse pleasure to others.
Spend the time and learn to climb them or live forever in fear. Your choice.
A good start: Chingando.
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rock kicker
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2002 - 04:52pm PT
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it's an offwidth if:
1)you are bleeding & you didn't know you were bleeding
(if you knew that you were bleeding then you were secure enough to actually pull some appendage or other out of the crack & notice the blood- ergo the potential for security & not possibly an offwidth- simple!)
2)you can't quite get in it but you don't dare come out of it (if you don't get that, it's wasn't an offwidth you were climbing).
3)you're moaning & grunting so much that someone tells you to go get a room (or if you hear that & it's not an offwidth, maybe you should go get a room...).
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Jan 12, 2016 - 07:10pm PT
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wayback bump
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johnr9q
Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
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Jan 12, 2016 - 08:07pm PT
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If it wants to spit you out, it's an offwidth.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Jan 12, 2016 - 08:10pm PT
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that was a good laugh Biotch, bummer on the back-edit
When I think of offwidth, I am reminded of awkwardly f*#king in the front seat of a cramped light pickup.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 12, 2016 - 08:15pm PT
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I once sat around a fire at the end of the day in JT with three old timers well known on these pages. As an East Coaster, I asked them what their favorite climbing was.
All three said flaring off width.
I think they did it just to terrify me.
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RyanD
climber
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Jan 12, 2016 - 08:21pm PT
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You went deep BIøTČH!!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jan 12, 2016 - 09:27pm PT
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I love it, Lorenzo! We used to say that you could tell which climbers were from the east, and which from the west (particularly from the Valley) by their gestures when describing climbs. Valley climbers gestured with thrutching motions or hand jams, not grabbing horizontal holds. Offwidths and chimneys, being mandatory free climbing on wall routes, became part of the California climbing culture. Gunks-style face climbs, not so (except at Lover's Leap then, and later in southern Yosemite).
I always defined an offwidth as wider than a fist jam and too narrow for my hips. This makes it a flexible definition. When I was in my prime, that meant cracks between about four and eight inches wide. As I've aged, many squeeze chimneys of my youth have become offwidths.
I think I liked offwidths because it took me so much effort to learn - and feel comfortable with - the technique. In particular, I learned to climb in the last days of piton protection, and most offwidth cracks lacked protection of any sort, making them rather bold leads until you got the hang of it. Besides, I didn't want the scars on my back, elbows and knees to go to waste.
Now that I'm old and have nothing left to live for, I prefer less punishing styles, but still try to keep the technique in practice, since I still need it at times.
John
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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Jan 13, 2016 - 12:47am PT
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Mmmm OW
I hear that one of the greatest aspects of an offwidth is
"when you get tired, you can just stop and rest"
I believe I've only experienced this once.
I'm still looking for a repeat performance.
:)
I'll say this...it sure isn't popular these days!
Cheers
LS
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 13, 2016 - 01:55am PT
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Ow = climbing
Anything less is training
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Jan 13, 2016 - 04:44am PT
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Offwidth = the most inefficient form of moving on rock meaning you will expend the most energy to gain the least potential.
Right Eyonkee? That is why you get so tired.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Jan 13, 2016 - 06:41am PT
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Imagine that you’re an offwidth climber with preternaturally good strength and coordination and technical skill, and that you’re climbing a known impossibly difficult off-width. Your experience, as you climb, will not be that you possess phenomenal strength and technical skill; rather, it will seem to you that the crack is nearly perfect and easy to read, and that you always have a secure position. That is, you won’t experience anything like the (empirically real) strength and skill that the live audience, watching you climb with nothing to stand on or hold on to, will attribute to you.
With apologies to DFW.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Dec 11, 2017 - 10:40am PT
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some purty fine definitions here.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Dec 11, 2017 - 11:05am PT
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A flaring offwidth can be like life and love.
Fear draws you inward, seeking safety, seeking shelter,
burying your head, shuttering your vision, breathing stale air,
wildly and indiscriminately clinging to whatever is nearest.
You gnash and huff, slowly grind down, no space to breath,
and all progress is blocked. You feel trapped and resentful.
To have a healthy relationship, you must be willing and able to let go,
to spread out and get a bigger perspective, to be your better self,
Then, you can redefine your connection, be true to yourself,
move forward and remain connected to your love, if you are right for each other.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 11, 2017 - 11:15am PT
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A helluva good time
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Dec 11, 2017 - 11:29am PT
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You know it is an offwidth when the leader's vocalizations sound like sex
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Dec 11, 2017 - 01:20pm PT
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This is an OW:
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Dec 11, 2017 - 04:05pm PT
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More than one way to skin a cat!
^^^ Somehow this move never works for me: twisting the foot outward toward the little toe while knee is pushing outward. I can do it if knee can stay neutral like above. But if I have to press my knee inward (which is the strongest feeling position for me), then I have to also make the foot torque toward the same side like the following:
But Scuffy had some technique like calf-locks or something that featured the outward twisting of foot that seemed to work well for him but I could never make it help me more than it hurt me.
This pic of Scuffy shows a toe-saving technique:
Instead of smashing the toe of outside foot inside the crack, can find the indentation between the ball of the foot and the big toe (or the inside edge of big toe) and ride that on the outside edge of the crack. Step up onto this and it holds all the weight when shifting other body parts upward and relocking, to be able to take weight off that outside foot and ratchet it up.
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