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The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Sep 2, 2015 - 08:28am PT
This...


It's an extraordinarily rare event. But the fact is, (in) 2012, there were 12,197,000 arrests in the United States, OK? And there were 410 uses of deadly force. Now that is, I think, three-thousands of a percent. So, it’s still an extraordinarily rare event."
— Edward Flynn on Wednesday, August 20th, 2014 police chief in Milwaukee, Wis., since January 2008
Gerg

Trad climber
Calgary
Sep 2, 2015 - 08:38am PT
Jody,
From my PERSONAL experience with cops in the USA has been positive, but I am white, which, if you wanna believe it or not, is an uber-obvious problem in your country.
Got pulled over in south Idaho for speeding- cop super nice, gave me a warning and a 'Happy Easter'.
Never had problem asking cops directions etc, always nice.
The sarge took me on a tour of the downtown LA building once and gave me his card to ask further questions if I wanted (where C.H.I.P.S was filmed).

To say every cop is good and not corrupt would be naive., as in any job, but no doesn't need aggression turned upon them.

Ladders don't count for full effect.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Sep 2, 2015 - 08:42am PT
Allow me to add some reality onto this thread.... Humor maybe. But so true.


[Click to View YouTube Video]
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 2, 2015 - 08:44am PT
Best comment on the thread award - "Straight outa Squampton"

Shows, at least, the value of being tall and having long arms. Persistence counts too.

patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Sep 2, 2015 - 08:48am PT
jody,

thanks for your service. I'll assume you were a 'good cop' that used force appropriate to the situation. Unfortunately, the law is written to protect pretty much all cops, all the time. So, as evidenced by the cell videos in the past few years, psycho cops are getting away with being power hungry, reactionary, and seem to actively work to escalate situations.

Why aren't the unions pushing for body cams to regain public trust?

I take back 'fvck the police', how about fvck the police unions, the DAs, and the laws that give cops a free pass to murder at will?
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Sep 2, 2015 - 08:51am PT
Congrats on your retirement Jody and thanks!
This thread is still a Troll minus, though.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Sep 2, 2015 - 08:53am PT
"There were 74 officers killed in 1995, according to the FBI."...




For the record...

that too...

was Obamas fault...



Good one Locker!





And the Drug/Gangbanger Busts....

Look at all those weapons. All good in the happy no holds barred world of the NRA and gun loving America. What the f*#k else do you expect them to use?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Sep 2, 2015 - 09:00am PT
Look at all those weapons. All good in the happy no holds barred world of the NRA and gun loving America. What the f*#k else do you expect them to use?

Bruce.... Nope.

All tracked back to being illegally smuggled in or sold through the Ilegal Gun Trade Black Market that prevails in this country. Most coming from, wait, here it is.....

Mexico and the Mexican Cartel. And some even from Holder and his DOJ.



(BTW: Over 80% of all illegal Auto and Large Bore Weps confiscated in the past ten years aren't manufactured or have any registered origin in the US.)


NOT the NRA nor any Law Abiding US Cit.










74 Cops killed in 1995


For 1995 through 2002 as well as 2010 and 2011, I used data from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports.


Year Police involved Fatalities
1995 389

Of that, 214 were White.
dirtbag

climber
Sep 2, 2015 - 09:36am PT
Why were people upset with Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crises when everyone knows it was Obamas fault???...

Excellent point. That, and declining pork belly prices in the 1840s are attributable to Obama's hatred of whites.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Sep 2, 2015 - 09:48am PT
Jody.

Your OP talked about people criticizing cops who kill unarmed people as promoting a new war on cops and anarchy. I say bunk.

Every life lost is a tragedy. but I'm asking you to show evidence that things are worse than before, say, 911. seems to be everybody's standard. Your rant seems unreasoned and unsupported by evidence. Things aren't worse. Anarchists have been around for over a century. Sacco and Vanzetti were anarchists. I can show you an attempt to clean out out a whole neighborhood of immigrants here in Portland in 1906, calling the whole population anarchists and claiming a plot to kill Roosevelt.

http://www.mcmenamins.com/blog/2015/5/22/225-A-Plot-to-Kill-a-President-

The anarchist claim was bunk then and bunk now. You aren't the first to use the anarchy claim to suppress people.

Every stat I see shows crime is down and violence of all kinds except domestic is WAY down from 20 years ago. Get a grip on reality.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Sep 2, 2015 - 09:49am PT
Excellent POST Glegarand...


Pretty sums up the realities of the total disproportionate and way over inflated truths that seem to prevail in this country today as to Cops gunning for any suspected criminal, let alone a young black man.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Sep 2, 2015 - 09:54am PT
Every stat I see shows crime is down and violence of all kinds except domestic is WAY down from 20 years ago. Get a grip on reality.

And you Lorenzo go pull that telephone pole outta your eye. Your stats are totally mooted by the following reality.


It's an extraordinarily rare event. But the fact is, (in) 2012, there were 12,197,000 arrests in the United States, OK? And there were 410 uses of deadly force. Now that is, I think, three-thousands of a percent. So, it’s still an extraordinarily rare event."
— Edward Flynn on Wednesday, August 20th, 2014 police chief in Milwaukee, Wis., since January 2008




Spot on... thanks for good solid and insightful post.


Every arrest involves hands on physical confrontation between Law Enforcement and Citizens. These interactions have always and will always go bad at some time to some degree. By all means strive to hold Law Enforcement accountable for their actions, but showing the same dozen videos of Poor Policing as a yardstick to Demonize an entire Profession that interacts millions of times a year in stressful situations with Citizens is simple sensationalism.

Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Sep 2, 2015 - 09:59am PT
All those arrests and by edward Flynn's evidence almost no violence against cops hardy supports a war on cops.

Maybe a three thousandth of a percent war....
The othe 99.97% of arrest have no violence

It's just bunk for politicians.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Sep 2, 2015 - 10:01am PT
Nor do they support any of the current B-L-M and the Sharptons of America BS propaganda that there is a war on young black men by the nations LEO's who btw started this entire issue....Lorenzo.

Goes both ways.

Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Sep 2, 2015 - 10:04am PT
Maybe, but that wasn't the OP's rant.

The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Sep 2, 2015 - 10:08am PT
And I am adding the Big Picture to this entire over blown and politically incited issue all originated on that terrible day last year in Ferguson, MO


There IS NO war on Young Black Men by LEO's in this nation. Which just may be igniting a possible war on LEO's by those that believed the BS perpetuated by those that say there is. i.e. B-L-M and the Al Sharpton's out there.
Gerg

Trad climber
Calgary
Sep 2, 2015 - 10:09am PT
Jody,
Curious your thoughts on this terrorist organization(KKK)....or how the police never gave protection to many blacks during civil rights (Birmingham bombing specifically).
Seems like those people had every human right to be mad as you are now.

http://filmingcops.com/anonymous-exposes-cop-as-member-of-kkk-behind-letter-threatening-to-kill-ferguson-protesters/




The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Sep 2, 2015 - 10:12am PT
No but they sure are giving them protection TODAY as they call for the death of those men and women in uniform doing so... Gerg.


The photo does not show the 20-30 St. Paul PD's directly in front of the B-L-M group chanting for those LEO's demise shown here...


[Click to View YouTube Video]

Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Sep 2, 2015 - 10:19am PT
The photo also doesn't show any violence against those 30 police.
Gerg

Trad climber
Calgary
Sep 2, 2015 - 10:19am PT
I agree they should not be chanting such obvious chants that bring violence possibly...Chief.

And they should be protecting them TODAY when they decided casually not too only 45 years ago.

peace
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