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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Some of them are stupid and brainwashed incapable of significant perception in complicated situations...like Jody.. they are scary too when they have authority
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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We all can do better.
Couch, I would entirely disagree. Having grown up in Boston and Chicago where police misconduct is legend (not that it wasn't in NYC, Philli or Baltimore [or anywhere the Irish ran the police]) I'd stick with my premise that until cell phone video capability combined with the internet came along that police misconduct was basically something everyone knew about, but the scope of which was tough to prove or show on any convincing way on a mass media basis.
I personally believe the universal adoption of body cameras is really the only way to change these long-ingrained behaviors.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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I personally believe the universal adoption of body cameras is really the only way to change these long-ingrained behaviors.
hear-hear! agree!
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couchmaster
climber
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This is a huge issue Jody. I don't have any short term answer. Perhaps you don't either. I wish it were otherwise. Please don't take someones inflammatory and ignorant words as typical of the rest of us. The black community shouldn't get a pass on their behavior. I'm not blaming police for it but it contributes along with many many things. For instance, another one is that Black women as a group are much more likely than white women to let a random man impregnate her and then wander off and not help raise the kids in any way. That's on black women, not on you, me or the "sperm donors" they let wander in then off.
Like JH says, video cameras are a good thing, and the truth can hurt. But it is just a small part of a multifaceted issue with many differing angles.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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And have we met? And you have been around me in how many complicated situations in the last 27 years? What a moron.
Yeah that was a bit rude on my part..I'm just judging based on your OP. Your OP post is foolish on several levels. A couple of which are really simple.
Such that it leave me in serious doubt about your judgement in other areas of life.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I thought he was serious til he said Cruz and POTUS together.....
Countdown til this thread is frozen anyone?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Conflation of events
False equivalencies
Your boy Cruz will fix all of this for ya!
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jody, please refrain from publicly cleaning Ted Cruz's spokes-discusting!!
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GuapoVino
climber
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None of this backlash against cops should be a surprise. History always repeats itself. Just look back to the 90's when people were mad at the ATF and the FBI, fueled by G Gordon Liddy and talk radio and books like The Turner Diary. It was obvious then that sh#t was going to start happening and then the federal building in OKC got bombed. That woke everyone up and it all took a step back on both sides. But that was easy because the federal agencies are kind of centrally controlled.
Now it's the same issue with the police. People are getting mad and not liking what they're seeing. It was only a matter of time until some started to lash out. There may even be a big event on the horizon. But the problem with police is that every department controls itself and I have a hard time seeing them taking a step back and re-evaluating things like the federal agencies did back in the 90's. It could just keep escalating.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Quite the assumption that it is escalating...
Sad how an increase media story frequency makes people jump to conclusions.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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I'm guessing it will take at least a generation / full cycle of retirement with cameras to significantly change things. And a side benefit of the cameras is they also tend to ameliorate some of the bad behavior of those civilians cops do often encounter.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Couchmaster those were great posts and Others too!
To bad suprema/Jody will nuke this thread by tomorrow and waist our time :(
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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... Suprema has stolen his account!
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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I'm struggling with what brought on the OP.
Police shootings are down lower than they have almost ever been. Most of the 83 deaths this year are from illness, accident, or heart attacks. only 30 can be attributed to shootings (24), assaults (3) , or vehicular assault ( 3)
From the officer down memorial page:
Line of Duty Deaths: 83
9/11 related illness: 3
Accidental: 2
Aircraft accident: 1
Assault: 3
Automobile accident: 19
Fall: 1
Gunfire: 24
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 13
Motorcycle accident: 3
Struck by vehicle: 5
Vehicle pursuit: 4
Vehicular assault: 3
The fact is most cops die on the job from accidents and illness, including heart attacks ( I see 54 total, of the 83)
Those numbers are lower than almost any time in history. 30 is a tragic number, but Certainly Jody's tirade about a Great new War on cops isn't supported. There were 74 officers killed in 1995, according to the FBI.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/1996/leoka96.pdf
The fact is that LEO's aren't in the top ten most dangerous jobs for 2013 , the last year in the books at the bureau of labor statistics. They were once top 5.
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Prod
Trad climber
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How the f*#k does not liking cops put their blood on my hands. F*#k off Jody, you ignorant twit.
Prod.
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philo
climber
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Prod, in exactly the same way as the blood of every unarmed kid murdered by cops is on Jody's hands.
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philo
climber
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Who's angry?
Oh yeah you.
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