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apogee
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:36am PT
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Not even close to true, Chief. There are plenty of LEO supporters here who chime in regularly- myself, I have at least 5 family members & good friends who have been in LE for decades. One was killed on the job, near Olancha- there's a Memorial Hwy sign there for him.
Don't be so quick to divide everybody in 'YOU' and 'US'. It's not helpful.
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The Chief
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Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:39am PT
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^^^^^^ Good post Jeff and precisely my point. Thanks for getting it.^^^^^
Not even close to true, Chief. There are plenty of LEO supporters here who chime in regularly- myself, I have at least 5 family members & good friends who have been in LE for decades. One was killed on the job, near Olancha- there's a Memorial Hwy sign there for him.
Did I mention or include you specifically in the group I noted, APO? NO.
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apogee
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:41am PT
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Umm, yeah, you did...then you edited out the capitalized 'YOU' a few seconds later.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:43am PT
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Cheif we just lost one in a shootout in Carson City a couple weeks ago..Just about whole city of Reno was shut down for the funeral procession..even a two helicopter escort wound its way over 40 miles. When an officer is lost in the line of duty most people stand up in respect for their service and condemn the murderer.
It's not a moment of national outrage however..it does not cause riots ..there is nothing to riot against. The culprit is apprehended and stopped...
Not so when dealing with systematic persecution. In those cases of a murder commited..the real problem is merely been made more visible and is still a there same as it has been for generations.
This is really true with Fergusen..in that case the officer appears to have been fully justified in the use of lethal force..however the perfect storm developed because of decades of other actual abuses.
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darkmagus
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San Diego, CA
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:46am PT
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Chief, I'd like to respectfully suggest this idea to you:
The People didn't take an oath to protect the police, but rather, it was the other way 'round:
The Police took an oath to protect the people.
While this act is morally reprehensible and disgusting, it is not reasonable to suppose that the emotion and outrage when an officer is killed in the line of duty would be equal to that of the "black lives matter" or other similar groups.
So if something like this happens, that's one reason why there's no rioting and fires. Because it's not the duty of The People to protect our Protectors (The Police). And besides, no one made them take the job.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:48am PT
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Yeah the Clinton tough on crime thing is part of the issue..however it is just the latest (not even the harshest) in a long string of abuses for generations.
You might notice a lead in to the declaration of independence there.. which had it roots in persecution by authority.
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The Chief
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Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:48am PT
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APO... fixed it an my bad. I was not CLEAR on my meaning.
when an officer is killed in the line of duty ..
He was not killed in the "line of duty". He was Executed from behind.
Can anyone please post any LEO on Black killing in the past 50 years where this ever occurred?
This LEO is the THIRD LEO to be executed in this fashion in the past three months by a person of color.
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apogee
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:48am PT
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Chief, you made a broad generalization that the 'usual' people who rant about a black guy killed by a cop are quiet when a cop gets killed. As though those 'usual' people don't really care, in all of their deep hypocrisy.
If you are wondering why this subject didn't get it's own thread sooner, it's probably because Ron is off somewhere stuffing a rhino. Instead, you are doing that work. Thanks from all of us!
Edit: OK...thanks for the adjust. No worries.
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apogee
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:53am PT
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I went to the movies last night...was gonna watch 'Straight Outta Compton'...then changed my mind. Saw 'Assassin- Agent 47' instead. Big mistake...walked out on it 2/3 of the way through.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:56am PT
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He was not killed in the "line of duty". He was Executed from behind.
Yikes..ok you got me..I was all wrong..except for the part where he was on duty wearing a uniform and filling his cruiser at the gas station..
But hey I am outraged and do feel deeply for this guy who by all accounts was a dedicated servant of the people who loved his job and did it well..
So I'll report for duty..where are we rioting tonight? I say we kill all the humans..can't trust those people.
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The Chief
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Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:56am PT
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^^^^ SKI, Did you watch the video that JC posted above? Apparently not. The first minute of that video emphasizes my point of this thread perfectly.
APO.. I posted this upon learning that this particular LEO is the brother of one of my closets Shipmates that saved my ass from getting an RPG round in the head in Somalia.
That is why. And he is beyond pissed to say the least. As I am. This is beyond fked up. This particular executed LEO DUDE was one cool and community helping Cat and never saw what killed him. Never.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 30, 2015 - 11:02am PT
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Ok you shoulda just said that in the first place.
Or is this supposed to be an anti gun control thread??..I really am getting confused about your purpose..
I was originally under the impression that you perceived some level of hypocrisy such that you felt many folks act like black lives matter more than cops lives.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Aug 30, 2015 - 11:11am PT
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What happen to "Feeling the Bern" because black lives matter?
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apogee
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Aug 30, 2015 - 11:14am PT
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Very, very sorry to hear that, Chief. Having that kind of stuff strike this close is really hard.
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The Chief
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Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 30, 2015 - 11:16am PT
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No SKI, the POLITICAL hypocrisy in general that most turn a blind eye to because of their political affiliations and ideology.
This Dude was a hardcore GOOD man that was doing some way cool stuff in the local Communities. With all people of ethnicity and color. He was a GOOD Cop that took care of all on his beat and had a heart of gold.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 30, 2015 - 11:37am PT
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and that's the stuff I want to hear about. Sounds like a guy who changed the world for the better. Time will tell but I do not think lives like that are ever lost in vain. Senseless and horrible loss ..but his effort will live on and make a real difference.
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The Chief
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Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 30, 2015 - 11:41am PT
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He has and was doing so. He was part of special task force in the southside of Houston that cleaned up several communities of gangs of all ethnicity's and returned them all back to the good people in those neighborhoods.
The assfk that executed him was most likely a "terniator" from one of the gangs he helped rid one of them neighborhoods of.
Something, the Gangs, most here on ST haven't a clue as to how destructive and evil they really are. Gangs that have been around and in full force for well over 60 or so years allover this nation long before any of the current PC White Privi crap came about. Inner City Gangs of all color and ethnic groups. Most if not all have to do with profiting from the illegal drug and gun market in this nation. gangs that do not want a job. They can make ten times the money in a week selling illegal drugs and guns that any of those above min wage well to do jobs will ever avail them in a year.
EDIT: The fkstick that executed the two NYPD's, he was an active gangbanger.
The same gangs that are murdering innocent people throughout America every day, day in and day out by the hundreds, that no one gives a fly fk about. Gangs that do not register their weapons and abide by the hundreds of all the Gun Control Laws that are on the books. Including in many of the cities that have the strictest "Gun Control Laws" in the nation.
The same gangs that are NEVER spoke about from all them Political talking heads, including all them Politards here on ST. Most assuredly because they are clueless as to how bad and evil they really are and have NEVER been directly affected by them.
How do I know this.... I was involved in three of the same type Anti-Gang tasks force's that this LEO was. I did it as a Volunteer.
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Norton
Social climber
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Aug 30, 2015 - 11:57am PT
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So another good man, a very dedicated public servant, is outright murdered.
Seems almost daily now we read of simple traffic stop resulting in the officer being
shot to death, the perps run and are ultimately caught and serve life.
Not wanting to derail Chief's thread about this particular tragedy, but just a gun comment.
We all agree in our Constitutional right to bear arms, I carry concealed all the time.
We do have good gun laws in place now, fast online background checks that while not perfect are a hell of a lot better and more accurate than in the past.
Mass murders take place every single day in the United States nowadays.
Actually I am surprised at how few mass murders given a well armed 350 million population
I look at all the horrific gun violence as the "price' we pay to live in a free USA.
Maybe that sound trite or resigned to not passing any more laws, but that's the way i see it.
More laws will not stop gun death, this guy got his illegally and apparently quite easily.
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