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nah000
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no/w/here
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:14pm PT
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The Chief:
thanks for your response.
i agree with you that living in the past is a mistake.
on the other hand, are you arguing that systemic racism and the resultant failures of justice [especially in the south] are only in the past?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:21pm PT
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There must have been one dinosaur, smarter then the rest, who, upon seeing the cloud rise in the distance from the striking asteroid, turned to his companions and said...."well, I guess it's time to settle up our affairs."
A lot of caucasions in this country, after centuries of priviledge, would prefer to emulate a descendent of the dinosaur, the ostrich....and burrow their heads in the sand.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:22pm PT
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Not at all... they happened. BUT that does not mean we/us/this nation has to remain in the past.
What ever happened to all the shet about Hope and Change.
How the fk did the POTUS get to where he is today had we not changed from the past. Or Doc Carson. Or Sheriff Clark. Or Connie Rice. Or Colin Powell. Or AG Holder. Or....
What gets me is all these folks that are crying foul on how the black community is still treated like shet are all the current leaders in those communities. Even worse. Where has the POTUS been and his administration the previous 5 years prior to the latest outrage of the WHITE LEO ON BLACK killings. Why was nothing ever said or done prior to Ferguson. Why??
And the leadership in Baltimore, all black libs that have been in place for well over ten years. Seven of those under that direct assistance of the OBAMA admin.
And how about Chicago? The past four years under the leadership of an Obama croanie. Them last three having a crime rate in the oppressed So Chicago hoods escalate to 200% worse than when Emanuel took over.
NOT one Whitey in that Chain of Command. Not one.
Now that is denial if I ever saw it.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:25pm PT
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Chief, selective reading of events seems to be your MO...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:26pm PT
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Rail on with all of the blowhards on shock radio....your days are numbered. Perhaps something relaxing, like climbing, will extend your longevity so that you can see it come to pass.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:26pm PT
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There's that word... seems.
Rail on with all of the blowhards on shock radio....your days are numbered.
Don't think so Jim.
The truth will come to bear. Always has. Your Unit is a perfect example of that. Seen it with my own eyes.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:27pm PT
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The Chief:
not sure if your second to last post is in response to mine or not. in case it was, i wasn't attempting to ask your opinions regarding the past.
my question was intending to find out whether or not you think there is systemic racism and resultant corruptions of justice [especially in the south] in the present?
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:34pm PT
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Hmmm; Chief, let's revisit the conversation.
You said...
Nobody gives a shet.
I said...
You are making slanderous assumptions about my character and that of a lot of others here. It doesn't hold up well.
You said...
If the "BOOT" fits Mark Force, than by all means. Tie it up tight.
I said...
That's just sad, Chief; I'm sorry that's the best you can do and only so deep as your thoughtfulness dares to go.
Then, you said...
Another typical move... turn it all around and play the victim. Bravo Zulu M Force.
Zulu! Really?!! That is just cheap, sad and pathetic.
And, you are figuring I'm playing a victim? Your opinion of me might effect me if your opinion mattered to me, but your complete lack of any sound argument that contains even a trace of logic in it undermines your import to me other than your mountains of bullshit gets in the way of working through the problem to a solution. This forum isn't even the appropriate place for this particular discussion unless your primary purpose is to inflame rather than resolve. Oh, yeah, that is the point; carry on.
So who doesn't give a shet? To purposefully inflame rather than converse and make logical argument toward arriving at an enactable solution is in the way of actually getting something useful done. Actually getting something useful done requires restraint, thoughtfulness, and discipline. It appears that you would rather just bitch.
Yer a funny guy, Chief.
And, Cragman, have you given this some thought?
Cragman, are you saying that because the mother of the shooter is in delusional denial, that all black people are so; or that all mothers are; that the poor are, or do they have to satisfy all three to be in delusional denial? Are you making the assumption that every Democrat is denying the realities of the murder? Please clarify.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:38pm PT
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nah000:
Most likely it is. And my question is why if the leadership in place in most of the large inner city oppressed communities is all Black and of Dem affiliation, does all this "racism" and inequality of justice still occur. More now than ten years ago. Including the executive branch of these US of A.
Have you seen the black murder rates the past four years in Baltimore, Chicago, Los Angeles etc etc etc.
And the young black man incarceration rate have tripled in Baltimore and Chicago. All under the leadership of black dem leaders.
So why haven't any of these issues been addressed and worked on the past seven years. Especially with the POTUS and US ATT G being from that same oppressed minority.
If the pres can free cubans, why can't he free his own people here in the US. If the Pres can mandate the EPA to go after Big Coal, why can't he mandate more jobs and better education of his people?
Mark Force, wrong. You are doing what you and the other do best here. Twist and deflect.
BTW, do you even know what BZ means? Seriously?
And you have yet to answer my question if you have ever worked with and for any Inner City At Risk Youth Anti Gang Program?
Have you Mark Force?
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:47pm PT
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Chief, I grew up in Baltimore,and know the place though I live far away now. You are giving BS talking points with the facts missing.
STFU about what you don't know...
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:50pm PT
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So Locker, explain why hasn't the POTUS and these individuals done that in their crime and white previ oppressed cities the past four to six or so years...
Chief, I grew up in Baltimore,and know the place though I live far away now. You are giving BS talking points with the facts missing.
STFU about what you don't know...
Really...
Baltimore surges past Detroit in number of homicides in 2015 Baltimore has become the second most violent city in America, a Baltimore Brew survey finds, with a homicide rate exceeded only by St. Louis
https://www.baltimorebrew.com/2015/08/07/baltimore-surges-past-detroit-in-number-of-homicides-in-2015/
And here is more "Blow hard" reality facts for you Jim Donini...
According to USA Today, the “number of murders in 2015″ is up by more than 30 percent in Baltimore and up by at least that much or more in New Orleans and St. Louis. The Baltimore Sun reports that “a rising number of homicides have been recorded this year in [the] cities… [of] Chicago (up 18 percent from last year), Milwaukee (up 117 percent), Houston (up 36 percent)… and Philadelphia (up 7 percent).”
The Mayor of Baltimore is Stephanie-Rawlings Blake (D), the Mayor of Chicago is Rahm Emanuel (D), the Mayor of Houston is Annise Parker (D), the Mayor of Milwaukee is Tom Barrett (D), the Mayor of New Orleans is Mitch Landrieu (D), the Mayor of New York City is Bill de Blasio (D), the Mayor of Philadelphia is Michael Nutter (D), and the Mayor of St. Louis is Francis G. Slay (D). http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/11/other-democrat-run-cities-join-baltimore-with-surging-gun-crime/
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:58pm PT
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TC, again an honest answer to your question regarding Why if the leadership in place in most of the large inner city oppressed communities is all Black and of Dem affiliation, does all this "racism" and inequality of justice still occur?
because no one can make the results of hundreds of years of systemic oppression go away instantaneously.
legalized slavery existed on u.s. lands from at least 1526-1865.
legalized slavery existed in the newly formed u.s. of a. from 1776-1865
institutionalized segregation existed within the federal u.s. from 1776-1954
institutionalized segregation existed within the u.s. states from 1776-1964
and more importantly while there may not be institutionalized legally enforced racism, to assume that there is no systemic racism [especially in the south] to this day, is to be in denial of the obvious.
so legally enforced racial oppression lasted for 438 years on u.s. soil, and systemic racism continues to exist to this day [especially in the south], yet your question is how come Obama, black and dem leaders haven't eliminated the results of that history in 6, 51 and 51 years respectively?
you're smarter than this TC.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 30, 2015 - 08:02pm PT
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because you don't make the results of hundreds of years of systemic oppression go away instantaneously.
No you sure don't. Especially if you mandate this type of mass incarceration that anyone in the admin and justice community nation wide knew would be primarily, young black men...
The Clinton dynasty’s horrific legacy: How “tough-on-crime” politics built the world’s largest prison system. Over the past two decades, the Clintons' version of the "War on Drugs" has inflicted needless suffering on millions. http://www.salon.com/2015/04/13/the_clinton_dynastys_horrific_legacy_how_tough_on_crime_politics_built_the_worlds_largest_prison/
legalized slavery existed on u.s. lands from at least 1526-1865.
legalized slavery existed in the newly formed u.s. of a. from 1776-1865
institutionalized segregation existed within the federal u.s. from 1776-1954
institutionalized segregation existed within the u.s. states from 1776-1964
You forgot the Chinese slave labor force that built most of the infra structure in this country over a 100 year period.
Gee, wtf happened to them? They seem to have gotten over it and kicked some royal ass as far as getting educated and excelling in today's tech and medical/pharmaceutical industries here in the US since their brutal century of being all that you posted above regarding the black community.
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Norton
Social climber
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Aug 30, 2015 - 08:03pm PT
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If the pres can free cubans, why can't he free his own people here in the US.
that's right!
the obvious FAILURE of OBUMMER to "free" his "own people" is just one more nail in the
case against him, what a piece of shet President
I mean, think about it, opening relations with Cuba and "freeing" the blacks in America
are So related, why especially considering how easy it is to do both
and yes, because the former White House Chief of Staff to President Obama just happens to now be major of Chicago, where there is, gasp, crime and bad stuff going on, why yes, that IS further evidence of of the moral and intellectual failure of Obama
Rick, are you just having fun trolling now for "entertainment"?
or are you really as obviously ignorant as you are coming across to be?
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Aug 30, 2015 - 08:04pm PT
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Mark Force, wrong. You are doing what you and the other do best here. Twist and deflect.
Where specifically?
False arguments (logical Fallacies) are common and we can all fall into them. Check out this chart on them so you can take what I've posted and then order my logical fallacies accordingly.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/poster
Another typical move... turn it all around and play the victim. Bravo Zulu M Force.
BTW, do you even know what BZ means? Seriously?
Actually, I did a pretty crappy, rather than well done, job turning it around and playing victim. Can you lay out the particular points where I turned your arguments around? Keep in mind making legitimate arguments against a position is not the same as turning them around.
And you have yet to answer my question if you have ever worked with and for any Inner City At Risk Youth Anti Gang Program?
Have you Mark Force?
I think this question was originally to someone else.
SKI, have you ever worked with any At Risk Inner City ANIT GANG Programs?
I have worked locally mentoring at risk youth. I haven't worked with inner city anti-gang programs.
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raw
Mountain climber
Malibu
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Aug 30, 2015 - 08:06pm PT
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Two words: No Fathers.
When the poor lad has no one around to demonstrate self-control, to say 'I don't care so much what you did, but don't you ever effing LIE to me about it', to show respect for the woman in the house, what do you expect? Black perp/black victim rates are sky-high. Dead flies, that's all those 50 or so young black men shot in a month in Chicago are, dead flies. Who cares about that?
It's a law of economics that when you pay for X you get more X, so when you pay unwed mothers to have kids, you get more single-parent families. (Dad? You're worth more if you just leave....) You expect single mom, working two, maybe three jobs, to have time to read to her children?
The Black American family used to be very strong. No more. To a lesser degree, the problem infects White & Brown America as well. The schism in this country not between rich and poor (classes very changeable in their makeup...my son right now is so poor) but between those fetched up properly and those not. Yes, Blacks are victims, but of progressive policies, like the 'War on Poverty'--we have as much poverty now as we had when LBJ initiated it....
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Aug 30, 2015 - 08:08pm PT
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Baltimore surges past Detroit in number of homicides in 2015 Baltimore has become the second most violent city in America, a Baltimore Brew survey finds, with a homicide rate exceeded only by St. Louis
Talk to your buddies in the police union...
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Aug 30, 2015 - 08:13pm PT
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TC: yep, i'll agree with you on that one.
the u.s.'s attempts at a "war on drugs" [both the reagan and clinton versions] are a candidate for one of the most nationally and globally nefarious legal and political structures that has been enacted by the u.s. in the last 40 years.
and i completely agree that the african american communities were unfairly hit by that draconian and misguided attempt at total control of the uncontrollable.
but in general, no political affiliation, either dem or republican comes out of the last 51 years without very dirty hands.
that said, the question i'd ask is whether it is better now than 51, 41, 31, 21, or 11 years ago?
i'd answer yes to all of them.
and so i'd argue that just because after 438 years of legally enforced racist oppression, it takes more than 51 years to right the wrongs, doesn't mean it's time to throw the baby [continued work in that direction], out with the bathwater [the fact that there are still problems].
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 30, 2015 - 08:15pm PT
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^^^^^^ Please explain why the enslaved Chinese got over it, their brutal history here in the US, have excelled across the board and made their communities a middle class or better place to thrive and live. And the Blacks have not.
the obvious FAILURE of OBUMMER to "free" his "own people" is just one more nail in the
case against him, what a piece of shet President
I mean, think about it, opening relations with Cuba and "freeing" the blacks in America
are So related, why especially considering how easy it is to do both
and yes, because the former White House Chief of Staff to President Obama just happens to now be major of Chicago, where there is, gasp, crime and bad stuff going on, why yes, that IS further evidence of of the moral and intellectual failure of Obama
Rick, are you just having fun trolling now for "entertainment"?
or are you really as obviously ignorant as you are coming across to be?
Ignorant Norton...
Must I repost the latest staggering stats again Norton. Maybe so...
Baltimore surges past Detroit in number of homicides in 2015 Baltimore has become the second most violent city in America, a Baltimore Brew survey finds, with a homicide rate exceeded only by St. Louis
https://www.baltimorebrew.com/2015/08/07/baltimore-surges-past-detroit-in-number-of-homicides-in-2015/
According to USA Today, the “number of murders in 2015″ is up by more than 30 percent in Baltimore and up by at least that much or more in New Orleans and St. Louis. The Baltimore Sun reports that “a rising number of homicides have been recorded this year in [the] cities… [of] Chicago (up 18 percent from last year), Milwaukee (up 117 percent), Houston (up 36 percent)… and Philadelphia (up 7 percent).”
The Mayor of Baltimore is Stephanie-Rawlings Blake (D), the Mayor of Chicago is Rahm Emanuel (D), the Mayor of Houston is Annise Parker (D), the Mayor of Milwaukee is Tom Barrett (D), the Mayor of New Orleans is Mitch Landrieu (D), the Mayor of New York City is Bill de Blasio (D), the Mayor of Philadelphia is Michael Nutter (D), and the Mayor of St. Louis is Francis G. Slay (D). http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/11/other-democrat-run-cities-join-baltimore-with-surging-gun-crime/
The number of murders in 2015 jumped by 33% or more in Baltimore, New Orleans and St. Louis. Meanwhile, in Chicago, the nation’s third-largest city, the homicide toll climbed 19% and the number of shooting incidents increased by 21% during the first half of the year. http://chicago.suntimes.com/news-chicago/7/71/760775/several-big-u-s-cities-see-homicide-rates-surge
Please do elaborate on why the facts above state what they do, NORTON!
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