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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 27, 2019 - 10:05am PT
Dood, not only do you have the flu but you might have macular degeneration too!

blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Feb 27, 2019 - 10:41am PT
Moose,
I believe you're neglecting to consider dividends. While they're low now and have been for some time, they used to be significantly higher, including at least part of the time you're focusing on now. Maybe not enough to change your point that stocks can be a bad investment over relatively long time frames, but ignoring them makes stocks look worse than they were, especially compared to alternative investments.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 27, 2019 - 11:43am PT
I only bank my "fuk you" money.

Mostly in equities, then hard assets, then bonds, then FYM.


Anybody watching WW? Weight Watchers is plummeting faster than Oprah can polish off a loaf of bread!
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Feb 27, 2019 - 06:47pm PT
Certain type of people are posting here ...they think they fkked everyone over, a couple of generations in own country and the entire word...watch and see how it'll play out for ya at the end. Game changers will be coming, pretty sure on that. Your S&P bubble is nothing but a bubble, it's essentially worthless...propped by unsustainable debt (as in: we run the credit card, reap the benefits and someone will pay later) because it's every Joe the plumber's savings account, to maintain (and force on others) fake, toxic and harmful "living standards" no one can really afford. It all will be worth a lot...of devalued money, the repub believers in ripping off fellow men...will end up being the last in the bailout line haha. It'll really suck to realize that the Privilege you're so used to enjoying...no longer works :((( Deniers of reality....it'll come knocking hard on your door.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 27, 2019 - 07:52pm PT
^^^^ You just confirmed my suspicions that you don’t ‘get it’. Yes, the US has a mountain of debt, BUT we’re Da House and we’re still dealing! If our debt was getting unmanageable the dollar would not have strengthened in the last couple of years. A few years ago your ilk was saying how China was going to ‘own’ us cause they were buying up our debt. Guess what? They’re the ones in big debt trouble now and their shell game is gonna go off the rails unless they take some serious measures not the least of which are taking the accountant’s axe to thousands of state-owned firms that do nothing but add to their debt woes. The dollar is strong and everybody wants our paper because we can pay it off. Yes, a downturn is coming but, I promise you, I won’t need yer pity because I’m holding a pile of bonds. Granted, they’re not doing great now but in a couple of years you can check back and I’ll give you a nice serving of crow, on Da House. 😈
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 28, 2019 - 01:14pm PT
foamingclimber, who pissed in your punchbowl?
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2019 - 08:24pm PT
Ah Moose, you devil, I know this is just another of your sly rhetorical questions.

Moose:
So, why exactly did the government cut those taxes? Not to stimulate the economy, that's for sure.

What is growing really well is the debt.

The Republican tax cuts were for their people, the very-wealthy & corporate America. It helped get some Republicans elected & made others wealthier.

What's an extra trillion or so of national debt, as opposed to that worth-while & tangible achievement?

Eh?
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2019 - 08:09am PT
Happy 10th anniversary to those of us who have stayed invested in U.S. stock markets since this date in 2009.

From Money Magazine:

This Saturday is a big day for the stock market, as it marks the 10th anniversary of one of the longest and most profitable bull runs in history.

Indeed, an investor who put $1 into a market tracking index fund on March 9, 2009 — the day the market hit what turned out to be it’s lowest point following the 2008 financial crisis — would have ended up with $4.99 by March 1, 2019, according to Morningstar. That means, $100 would net $499; $10,000 would be worth nearly $50,000, and $100,000 would be worth a cool half a million.

Barring a dramatic, unforeseen event like the 1987 stock market crash, the S&P 500 will have posted an average return of nearly 18%, each year, over the past decade, according to S&P Dow Jones Indices. To put that in context, the long-term historical average annual return, going back to the 1920s, is a hair above 10%.

Kicking yourself for not buying?

It may be hard to remember now, but back in 2009 most investors were actually terrified. In February 2009, President Obama signed a $787 billion stimulus package. Within months, both Chrysler and GM would go bankrupt. In October, unemployment would peak at 10%.

Statistics suggests that a decade ago most of us were selling rather than buying. Between the start of the financial crisis in 2008 and 2017, Americans pulled $830 billion out of stock mutual funds on a net basis, while pouring nearly $1.4 trillion into less volatile bond funds. In other words, investors missed out on billions, if not trillions, in gains they might have reaped.

The real lesson of the stock market’s incredible 10-year run is not to imagine the riches you could have had if you’d bought an the precise right moment, fun as that might be.

Instead it’s to remember that, even in the darkest times, the market will eventually snap back. If you panic and sell, you could miss the upside.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/this-stock-market-hit-rock-bottom-10-years-ago-heres-how-much-a-dollar10000-investment-then-would-be-worth-today/ar-BBUxCxZ?li=BBnb4R7
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 18, 2019 - 07:36am PT
Maybe? a little gud-news?

The S&P 500 is up more than 12 percent this year and is on pace to post its biggest quarterly gain since the third quarter of 2009.

Jonathan Golub, chief U.S. equity strategist at Credit Suisse, hiked his 2019 target on the S&P 500 to 3,025 from 2,925. The strategist cited “receding” risks will drive stocks higher, noting: “Less hawkish comments from the Fed, declining inflation and recession fears, and the potential for a resolution to China trade issues are the primary forces driving volatility and spreads lower, and stocks higher.”

Golub’s new target implies a 20 percent upside for the S&P 500.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/stocks-advance-as-wall-street-awaits-monthly-fed-meeting/ar-BBUUimB
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 18, 2019 - 09:49am PT
In February 2009, President Obama signed a $787 billion stimulus package. Within months, both Chrysler and GM would go bankrupt. In October, unemployment would peak at 10%.

And 10 years later unemployment in most of Europe is still around 9% unless yer in Spain
or Greece where it is still over 14 and 19%!

As for our future I see more upside. I see the deal getting done with China - they need it as
much or more than we do. Their storm clouds are far more menacing than ours but all storm
clouds threaten everyone these days. Europe could be the real menace and there’s little
consensus there.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 18, 2019 - 10:27am PT
Yeah, their ‘formula’ is:
‘Let the lazy batardes sit at home sucking on the country’s teat ad nauseam.’
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Mar 18, 2019 - 10:34am PT
Weight Watchers is plummeting faster than Oprah can polish off a loaf of bread!

That is classic, hell where do you come up with those lines? That's funny!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 20, 2019 - 09:58am PT
Looks like the feds has no idea what is going on

Do tell! You got an in at the Fed meeting?

And, yeah, that Greenspan had no clue. It was pure coincidence that his tenure coincided
with the longest economic expansion in U.S. history, right? His major problem was dealing
with all that irrational exuberance.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Mar 20, 2019 - 11:50am PT
The self admitted confessions of Alan Greenspan:

Greenspan, 82, acknowledged under questioning that he had made a “mistake” in believing that banks, operating in their own self-interest, would do what was necessary to protect their shareholders and institutions. Greenspan called that “a flaw in the model ... that defines how the world works.”

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27335454/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/t/greenspan-admits-mistake-helped-crisis/#.XJKKKPZFySM


Mr Greenspan said that when, as Fed chairman, he declined to advocate regulating credit default swaps – derivatives that have been blamed for worsening the crisis – he had been following the will of Congress.

https://www.ft.com/content/aee9e3a2-a11f-11dd-82fd-000077b07658
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 20, 2019 - 02:55pm PT
I’m done with stocks and crap...


Course if I bought Lewis Hamilton I would still have
to deal with crap.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 20, 2019 - 03:36pm PT
I've noted those "flying rats" produce a lot of crap.

A retired friend, who owned a Casper WY sporting goods store, got permission from the local cops to do pigeon patrol early every morning, in downtown Casper, with a high-quality air rifle.

The urban pigeons likely took a while to "get-skeered."
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Mar 20, 2019 - 09:07pm PT
"Previously, market watchers had been anticipating two interest rate increases in 2019.
But forecasts for growth have dimmed in major economies, including the US.
Wall Street now sees a Federal Reserve rate cut as more likely for its next move."

Looks like the feds has no idea what is going on with the economy.


Not surprising whatsoever, especially since they started to hint about negative rates after the last meeting... S&P stagnated and they got no more tricks to keep the dog & pony show running... getting the same old pony back to the ring, the only option left. Bernanke is back.
Why don't they just change the regulations and the Fed'd start buying all this worthless bubble stock with newly issued air money?

Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 20, 2019 - 09:12pm PT
Former climber, our direct-line from the Kremlin, with Putin's slant for the U.S. economy.

Thanks, not.

Another daze another few roubles for you. How many blog-sites do you post to?
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Mar 20, 2019 - 09:13pm PT
Are you posting from WW2 Nazi bunker? Seems like it. Any swastikas on the walls to enjoy? FYI, I consider Putin to be akin to Hitler, and since you base your views of people on ethnicity (way of the simple-minded, like they ones who think every arab is a terrorist, etc)...here ya go...get it right back.

Protecting your stock stash, I understand. Denying reality
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Mar 20, 2019 - 09:19pm PT
Marketwatch usually posts paid-up heavily bullish content to keep mutual funds crowd in-line and investing but even they're not so sure today:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/when-the-us-falls-into-a-recession-a-credit-bubble-will-explode-2019-03-20?mod=mw_theo_homepage

Comments are right on too.
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