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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 21, 2015 - 02:32pm PT
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Apparently most of the San Joaquin Valley was a big lake also.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 21, 2015 - 02:59pm PT
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Reilly.. that same Winter of 1861-62, the state capital had to be moved to SF for almost the entire year all due to Sacramento being completely flooded out. Up to ten feet of water for several months.
And the rest of the Westcoast, they too got flooded out, big time as TGT noted above.
So yes, ya'll be very careful what you ask for cus it can and will happen again. And from what I gather, them levee's aint in too good of shape these days.
"The rainy season commenced on the 8th of November, and for four weeks, with scarcely any intermission, the rain continued to fall very gently in San Francisco, but in heavy showers in the interior. According to the statement of a Grass Valley paper, nine inches of rain fell there in thirty-six hours on the 7th and 8th inst. Whether, it is possible that so much rain could fall in thirty-six hours I will not decide; but it is certain that, the amount was great, for the next day the river-beds were full almost to the hilltops. The North Fork of the American River at Auburn rose thirty-five feet, and in many other mountain streams the rise was almost as great. On the 9th the flood reached the low land of the Sacramento Valley."[7]
The city of Sacramento suffered the worst damage due to its levee, which lay in a wide and flat valley at the junction of the American and Sacramento Rivers. When the floodwaters entered from the higher ground on the East, the levee acted as a dam to keep the water in the city rather than let it flow out. Soon the water level was 10 feet (3.0 m) higher inside than the level of the Sacramento River on the outside. Dozens of wood houses, some two stories high, were simply lifted up and carried off by the flood, as was "all the firewood, most of the fences and sheds, all the poultry, cats, rats and many of the cows and horses". A chain gang was sent to break open the levee, which, when it finally broke, allowed the waters to rush out of the city center and lowered the level of the flooding by 5–6 feet (1.5–1.8 m). Eventually the waters fell to a level on a par with the lowest part of the city.[7] From 1861 to 1862, the state capital was moved from flooded Sacramento to San Francisco.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flood_of_1862
Edit: If this all happens again, ya'll can kiss getting into the Valley for a longass time cus them roads on westside into the Ditch, well, they'll be washed away by the Merced that will rise some 10-20 feet and stay there for a couple of months.
Werner and crew in the Valley will be resupplied by these from the CANG for at least six months...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 21, 2015 - 03:22pm PT
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One of the best things out there on Southern Cal and the flood
http://www.redlandsfortnightly.org/papers/Taylor06.htm
The U. S. Army Corps of Engineers in their planning for Southern California could not have made use of palaeoclimatic and archaeological evidence recently published in the Journal Holocene. Here Dr. Arndt Schimmelmann, senior scientist of the Department of Geological Sciences at Indiana University along with his colleagues found evidence for cyclic simultaneous flooding not only in Southern California, but also in Mesoamerica and South America.
These findings, published in 2003, were based on sediment cores taken in the Santa Barbara Basin. These cores contain tell tale sedimentary deposits, called varves, and they date back 2000 years. Measuring the thickness of the varve gives an index of associated erosion during that particular year. These have occurred in approximate 200 year intervals centering during the following years: 212, 440, 603, 1029, 1418, and 1605. It is observed that bicentennial flooding in the Santa Barbara area was ‘skipped’ only three times and never twice in a row. The quasi-periodicity of approximately 200 years for Southern California floods matches the approximate 200 year periodicities found in a variety of high-resolution palaeoclimatic archives, and more importantly a 208 year cycle of solar activity and inferred associated changes in atmospheric circulation. The last skip was in the early 1800s leading the authors to conclude: “we foresee the possibility for a historically unprecedented flooding in southern California during the first half of the century.” (Schimmelmann, 2003 p.770)
When you drive out the 10 there are some energy dissipaters in the Santa Ana river bed. Those are there because the flow in the river at that point in the 1862 flood was 330,000 cubic feet per second. (about the same as the Mississippi)
Prado dam may buy Orange Co some time next time it happens, but there's going to be a Lake San Bernardino/Riverside for months.
(link to flood map)
http://cambriahistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Great-Drought-Flood-Map.jpg
This flood has always held a bit of fascination for me. As a second generation native one side of the family were orange ranchers and I heard stories as a kid about the flood that had happened a generation or two before them. It washed the Santa Ana river down to bedrock and evidently completely changed the local ecology and microclimate.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Aug 28, 2015 - 05:53pm PT
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'97 El Nino stronger at this time of year (left), but current El Nino is quite impressive for warmth over a much larger area (right)
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 28, 2015 - 08:34pm PT
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The large blob of warm water that kept storms out of the western US last winter is still in the same place so don't get too worked up over the el nino hype...
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2015 - 09:19pm PT
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The blob seems to be the wild card.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Let's hear it for the Truly Tenacious Trough!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Not to mention the first to have formed east of the Cape Verde Islands.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2015 - 01:07pm PT
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Let's hear it for the Truly Tenacious Trough!
And the Bouncy Bodacious Boobies!
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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IS this the new boob thread then?
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Yeah but the paddling in Sespe Creek is gonna kill it.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Chief,
I have paddled Sespe 3 times now, 2 times by kayak and once in a R2 or 2 man self bailer. Sespe IMO is one of the best kayak runs in California, 15 miles of class3 and then the bottom drops out for 15 miles of class 4-5. I have been more into pack rafting of late so i'm hoping for a big water year so I can give it a shot in the spring.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Creek Boated it back in the Spring of 84. Man was it wicked bitchen!!!
EDIT: We used to fly from Mugu up to Rose Valley to do our Confined Area Landing training. That Spring we took up our Creekers up in the helo and got dropped off just above Lion CG and would get extracted at Timber Creek.
Oh man!
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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84? man that was way back when i used to see pictures of the first descent on the walls at Real Cheap in Ventura. I finally got around to doing in 1992, then again in 97 and most recently rafted it in 2006. There are some crazy drops in there and some really great remote walls that most likely have never been climbed.
I'm at the fire station today or I'd post up some pictures.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Yup on the shots at REAL CHEAP SPORTS. I worked there p/t in 80 and 81 when I wasn't on the Ice or in Lemoore flying SAR.
I remember YC and Rick talking about the "Creek" and how it was in "Epic" conditions.
IF I remember correctly, one of the stories in Largo's book consists of one them dudes that paddled the Creek from just above Munson Creek all the down into Filmore Wash just above 126.
Way bad ass!!!!!
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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All three times we started at Lions Camp or near Piedra Blanca and went all the way to the 126. The first trip we spent 4 days on the river, the second kayak trip I was a much better paddler and we did it in 2 days and our raft trip was 4 days due to all the portaging around the giant boulders and low water. Would love to get back in there.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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A little El Nino steep creeking love.
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