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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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I only shot people to save them - or at least that's what the navy kept telling me.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Uhmmm, when was the last time any of you FREEDOM! loving nut jobs had to shoot someone in self defense of your life?
Clever post!
If we mention any incidents in which the gun made a positive difference, then we're "Rambo types" who are "looking for opportunities."
If we don't mention any incidents, then we "prove" the (ridiculous) odds argument.
It's like asking, "Have you stopped raping helpless women yet?"
Loaded question that's illegitimate on the face of it.
I had a legitimately Schizophrenic,... blah, blah.... He had a big asz knife on his belt... blah, blah.... I'm sure you ten gallon tards out there would have just shot him within 5 seconds.
There's a difference between dealing with somebody you know and who knows you compared to dealing with an unknown quantity. And the problem with every anecdotal case is that it's trivial to second guess every possible outcome. But you're "sure" that you "know" how "we" would have handled the situation.
Yeah, right.
Just like the retards that think the only way to safely deal with a bear encounter is to have a cannon on your hip.
Just as with the above, you "know" things you can't possibly know.
Like a doctor: Often wrong; never uncertain.
So.... When was the last time you had to shoot someone in legitimate defense of your life?
The irrelevant, illegitimate, carefully-loaded question again.
Righto. Have fun with that.
Well, I'm off to Hawaii for vacation.
Prolly get et by a shark. Wish I could have my "cannon" in the water with me... so afraid! So afraid!
Later, gents.
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F
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I didn't know the guy.
Yep. That's what I figured. You are terrified of a hypothetical situation that you've never been in. Congratulations: you are a paranoid f*#king pussy.
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F
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Bonus points for choosing to vacation in Hawaii when it's 110 degrees too. But I guess the indoor shooting ranges have AC, so you'll only risk heat exhaustion in the range parking lot, and when you waddle into Carl's JR.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Looks like he is a deadbeat too. Lot's of folks suing him for debts he never paid.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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you are a paranoid f*#king pussy.
Given my background, a "f*#king pussy" is about the last thing you can reasonably call me.
I mean, even beyond how ridiculous it is to fight any losing battle with insults, I'm one of the last people you should imagine is a "f*#king pussy".
Hey, I have an idea, F. See if you can repeat any of my routes. Then see if you still call me that. This is a climbers' forum, after all.
There are actually only two people I can think of that have the right to call me a pussy. They don't. The rest of you that resort to such insults are poseurs. I fart in your general direction. And your father smells of elderberries. Now, run away.
ROFL
Ah, in a relatively few hours, I'll be out fighting off sharks. What are you guys compared to the terrors of the sea?
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F
climber
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OMG GIRLFRIEND! You have done a rock climb that nobody else has repeated?!? WOW! Join the f*#king club. When was the last time you had to shoot a human being in defense of your life? Simple question. A date and time, or a "never" will suffice. Que unrelated wall of text tangent.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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a very impressive day in the salt mines you gents have put in...
258 posts in the last 24 hours...
if you/we can keep this rate up we'll be at 38958 + 10424 = 49382 posts by november 9, 2016.
if i'm going to be able to keep up, it might be time to quit my job... 'cause this shIt is serious, yo... last time i heard there are no checks and balances, and for all intents and purposes it's a dictator that is going to be elected on nov. 9...
and so it's important that we plug our ears and yell loudly at people we've never met...
'cause all that stands between us and inhuman incivility, caustic disregard for difference of opinions and generally painting our fellow humans as retards because they don't see the world as we do, is who is elected as president...
so: gooooooo team!!
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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I am still looking in the Constitution for the right to self defense, maybe you have a different copy. Are you armed with the Skousen pocket Constitution?
Too funny. Really.
I state that human rights are logically prior to any government, and you respond by looking for such rights in the constitution.
What makes any potential constitution legitimate in the first place is is recognition of, adherence to, and protection of human rights.
Show me in the constitution where any of your favored and newly-minted "civil rights" exist.
I'll show you in the declaration of independence where our founders recognized the right to life. I'll show you in the constitution where it recognizes the pre-existing right to keep and bear arms. The second amendment does not grant the right to arms. It refers to a pre-acknowledged, pre-existing right and seeks to protect it, not grant it.
Show me any right that comes without the right of its own defense built in, and I'll show you a "right" in name only. Every actual right has its own defense logically built in, including the right to life.
Now, here's a simple exercise for you....
Just leave me alone, and I won't threaten your right to not bear arms, and you'll have no problem with nor "threat" from me. My bearing arms will not impinge upon your rights in any way.
The reverse is not the case. I leave you entirely alone, but you and those like you just can't help yourselves but to come trammeling on my rights. And my rights are no danger to you in the slightest.
So, why can't you just leave me alone, like I'll do for you? Why do you make laws to constrain me regarding things that have no actual effect on you at all?
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F
climber
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Okay. Good job on the unrelated tangent WOT. So...... When was the last time you shot a human in defense of your life?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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...pre-existing right to keep and bear arms. The second amendment does not grant the right to arms. It refers to a pre-acknowledged, pre-existing right and seeks to protect it, not grant it.
That's some serious extrapolative leaping from one moving train car to another...
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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OMG GIRLFRIEND! You have done a rock climb that nobody else has repeated?!? WOW! Join the f*#king club.
Wow. ROFL. You are really on a roll!
Tell ya what, "girlfriend," repeat any of my routes, then consider any of them like just any old unrepeated route at random, continue to call me a "pussy" after that, and then I'll answer your "unrelated" and irrelevant question.
At that point, you'll have earned an answer, even though the question is still "clever" but irrelevant.
Until then, you're just a poseur with a foul mouth on him.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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That's some serious extrapolative leaping from one moving train car to another...
That's some serious falling for the same mistake the federalists feared from a Bill of Rights in the first place, that each of the amendments would eventually be taken as granting the rights that they instead merely mention, and that it would be presumed that government has the power to grant (and thereby also take away) such rights.
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F
climber
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The answer is obvious. You've never shot a human in defense of your life. But you go on, and on, and on, and on about how you have to carry a gun constantly to protect yourself. From what? A hypothetical situation you've never been in. Which makes you.... A paranoid f*#king pussy.... Who thinks he's a bad ass because he carries a gun everywhere, and has done a rock climb that nobody else has. That's pretty sad.
Have fun in Hawaii. Watch out for the Mexican Muslims everywhere that are out to get ya!!!
When you repeat a few of my unrepeated routes, then you'll still be a paranoid pussy.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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nah000, this thread's input about guns today is actually quite on topic, since Trump's political M.O. is to counter argument with insult. I find it amusing that so many who, as I do, disparage Trump nonetheless find it in themselves to stoop to his rhetorical and argumentative tactics.
I will repeat the wisdom of Douglas Adams in The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe that I posted a few thousand back:
"The major problem - one of the major problems, for there are several - one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem."
John
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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I always imagine being president is like standing blindfolded on a railing above a burning pit juggling an M&M, a chainsaw, a skunk and a cobra. No doubt people who want the job have an uncanny ability to focus on how good that M&M is going to taste at the end of the day.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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The answer is obvious. You've never shot a human in defense of your life. But you go on, and on, and on, and on about how you have to carry a gun constantly to protect yourself. From what? A hypothetical situation you've never been in.
We all protect ourselves from hypothetical situations all the time, and typically spend a great deal of money to do so. There is no paranoia in being prepared. And it's no very little effort and expense to be prepared to have a fighting chance in a bad situation. You carry any insurance? Does it cost you anything, or am I helping pay for all of yours?
Do you rope up when you climb a route you "should" be able to do without falling? If so, then, by your "logic," you're a "paranoid f*#king pussy."
Who thinks he's a bad ass because he carries a gun everywhere, and has done a rock climb that nobody else has. That's pretty sad.
What's sad is that you "blah, blah, blah" like you know me. You insult me in vile terms like it's legitimate to do so. You flail around insults like you think that's how to "win" an argument. That really is sad, and, even more sadly, you're just an exemplar of the increasingly vile and shut-down-discussion-with-yelling-and-insults left.
I'll say again, do any of my routes and while spending days falling and falling and tearing the flesh off your body and breaking your bones (all of which you WILL do), repeat to yourself as often as you can catch a breath: "Jensen is a paranoid f*#king pussy."
When you repeat a few of my unrepeated routes, then you'll still be a paranoid pussy.
Well, my guess is that it doesn't take anybody but a poseur to repeat any of your (probably unrepeated by obscurity) routes. But, hey, you know, I don't know you, because "F" is no handle. So, point me at one of them, and I'll be happy to give it a go. I'm always up for a "challenge."
Seriously, point me in the right direction, if it's possible to even find any of 'em.
Although, getting over the "lofty bar" of one of your routes, as you yourself say, won't differentiate "pussy" from "non-pussy."
I think you'll find any of mine to be different in that regard.
There's lots of evidence to accuse me of all sorts of character shortcomings and failings. But "pussy" is not one of them. ;-)
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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I always imagine being president is likely standing blindfolded on a railing above a burning pit juggling an M&M, a chainsaw, a skunk and a cobra. No doubt people who want the job have an uncanny ability to focus on how good that M&M is going to taste at the end of the day.
Brilliant, Joe! Loved it.
Well, that leaves this thread with a good taste in my mouth. I'm outty for weeks.
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F
climber
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jesus h.
The assumption that SOMEDAY FOR SURE you'll need a gun to protect yourself is as ignorant an assumption as that unrepeated rock climbs I've done are unrepeated because of obscurity.
Forget it
Get more guns
They will save you from the woman who wears pant suits, and the coming hordes of Mexicans and Muslims
Merica!
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