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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 16, 2016 - 07:48am PT
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The larceny he brags about repeatedly in his books?
Yawn
Other than that nobody is accusing him of actual crimes, just of world class bigotry, inconsistency and d#@&%ebaggery. See the difference?
Oh, yes, I do indeed see the difference. Do you?
I would much rather have a d#@&%ebag as President than a putative criminal.
"Trump is going to be indicted any day now!" is not something anyone is saying.
Point!
Amazingly, it doesn't bother the committed-left at all that a major-party front-runner continues on with the process while being the subject of an FBI investigation, an investigation that is based upon piles of probable cause and that may well result in indictment.
Yet, rather than to throw its weight behind the non-criminally-investigated alternative (Bernie), the party (and the committed-left in droves) continue to support the giant, waving red-flag.
Yeah, I do see the difference. Do you?
"Trump will contradict himself any minute now" is an easily provable and daily occurrence.
Yawn.
As if other candidates don't contradict themselves. As if Clinton hasn't done the same on major issues, always depending upon her audience-of-the-moment.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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May 16, 2016 - 07:54am PT
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Is anyone currently doing their thesis?
I have a hypothesis that the liberal sh#t show drum circle beats louder or softer on ST with the ebb and flow of Trump's ratings or television time. There's a correlation there but klimmers posts will need to be filtered out of the data as that obviously skews the bell curve.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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May 16, 2016 - 07:58am PT
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What fascinates me is that some people still watch cable/network television.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 16, 2016 - 08:03am PT
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He who loves father or mother more than Me isn't worthy of Me, and he who loves son or daughter more than Me isn't worthy of Me.
Sorry, I can't love an invisible sky wizard based on a book, or by accusing fingers pointed at me by filthy rich tax free TV preachers. Especially when the filthy rich TV preachers are getting busted with hookers, gay lovers or plooking little boys. I can't love that more than I love my mom, dad, or children. F*#k that.
Especially if this yeshua dude is backing Drumpf, who I consider ignorant, egotistical, racist and evil.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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May 16, 2016 - 08:06am PT
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Madbolter posted Yawn
"SHOW ME THE FACTS!"
*is shown the facts*
"WHO CARES ABOUT FACTS ANYWAY?"
fear posted What fascinates me is that some people still watch cable/network television.
Nobody does. It mostly exists so that Sanders supporters can complain about how it isn't covering Sanders enough.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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May 16, 2016 - 08:11am PT
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What fascinates me is that some people still watch cable/network television.
Fascinating, indeed.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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May 16, 2016 - 08:15am PT
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What fascinates me is that some people still watch cable/network television
this is a perfect example of tooooo much KOOL AID over the weekend..
Fascinating, indeed. two drum circle kool aid using fools..
fear/edward you must not get out..
everybody in the world owns a T.V along with cable.. DUH
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 16, 2016 - 08:19am PT
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"SHOW ME THE FACTS!"
If you think that Trump's bragging constitutes "facts," then you are cherry-picking in extremely contradictory fashion.
In some contexts you just call him a braggart and dismiss his statements as hyperbole. In others you treat his bragging as if it is "material fact" qua court of law. LOL
If the best you've got as "fact" is Trump bragging, then, yeah, YAWN.
*is shown the facts*
LOL
Fact: Clinton is the subject of an FBI investigation and may yet be indicted. The very fact that this is true should be deeply troubling to the left (which has a good alternative, btw, that the sick party won't get behind).
Fact: Trump is not the subject of an FBI investigation, and there is no reason to think he will be.
See the difference?
"WHO CARES ABOUT FACTS ANYWAY?"
Apparently me more than you.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 16, 2016 - 08:29am PT
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See, the problem the left faces is that no matter how bad Trump is (pretty bad, btw!), it is a perfectly reasonable position (and one that countless millions, including independents, are taking) to believe that Clinton is worse than Trump.
Now, the Democrats could do the sensible thing and abandon Clinton in favor of Bernie. Most polls show him handily beating Trump, and the independents favor Bernie over Clinton.
But the left has hitched its wagon to Clinton, and that leaves the left-wing on the Taco Stand forced to defend the indefensible, namely, the quite obvious sickness of the Democratic party on this subject.
I'm one of many millions that say: Give me Clinton vs. Trump, and I'm almost certainly forced to vote for Trump; but give me Bernie vs. Trump, and I'm almost certainly going to vote for Bernie.
And any "preference" you have (and bully with) of Clinton over Trump does not count as compelling arguments that sustain the idea that a putative criminal is a better choice than a buffoon.
Edit: Seriously, think about it, when your party-commitment forces you to defend Clinton, as if she is the best your chosen process can produce for our general consideration, don't blame me or claim that I'm irrational or stupid for saying: "Uh, no! I'm not going with that."
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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May 16, 2016 - 08:39am PT
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What fascinates me is that some people still watch cable/network television
this is a perfect example of tooooo much KOOL AID over the weekend..
Fascinating, indeed.
two drum circle kool aid using fools..
fear/edward you must not get out..
everybody in the world owns a T.V along with cable.. DUH
Most of the recent grads I work with have 'unplugged' from cable and regular TV. Of course they're fed propaganda in alternate streams but it appears to be less effective than the old 24x7 gov't news networks.
So there's hope. Maybe.
It's just funny to watch some of you guys get all spun up over the latest Trump vs. Hillary 'scandals' in perfect harmony with the cable news nonsense.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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May 16, 2016 - 08:41am PT
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madbolter posted See, the problem the left faces is that no matter how bad Trump is (pretty bad, btw!), it is a perfectly reasonable position (and one that countless millions, including independents, are taking) to believe that Clinton is worse than Trump.
If you believe ideologically in white male hegemony. Otherwise reason doesn't really factor into it.
If you think that Trump's bragging constitutes "facts," then you are cherry-picking in extremely contradictory fashion.
So you think it's a reasonable conclusion to support for president the guy who you can't even trust is accurately confessing to larceny. This is clearly a reasoned argument. Lots of reason happening here.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 16, 2016 - 08:44am PT
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If you believe ideologically in white male hegemony. Otherwise reason doesn't really factor into it.
Patently ridiculous.
If you believe that "It's her turn" so much that even a criminal will do, I can only ask: Really? That's the best you can do?
Edit on your back-edit....
So you think it's a reasonable conclusion to support for president the guy who you can't even trust is accurately confessing to larceny.
I think it's reasonable to realize that I can't make sense of: "you can't even trust is accurately confessing to larceny."
What is the "bar" you think needs to be gotten over here?
Given that Clinton is the front-runner, the bar's gotta be pretty ridiculously low!
This is clearly a reasoned argument.
What's the argument again? You lost me.
Lots of reason happening here.
It's simple: Whatever bar Clinton gets over (in your mind), Trump more than gets over.
Clinton is a putative criminal, and the nature of her putative crimes directly relate to the very position she's running for.
Trump is not a putative criminal.
See the difference?
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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May 16, 2016 - 09:04am PT
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Trump is offensive enough that many serial non-voters will vote for the opposing candidate.
This election is mainly about a Supreme Court seat, the Senate, and the House. Keep focused...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 16, 2016 - 09:05am PT
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Most of the recent grads I work with have 'unplugged' from cable and regular TV.
Admit it, that isn't due to high mindedness, they can't afford it on a gender studies degree!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 16, 2016 - 09:07am PT
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GCF, +10 !! (On the John Kerry post)
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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May 16, 2016 - 09:20am PT
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the idea that a putative criminal is a better choice than a buffoon.
The key word here is putative. There IS a vast right wing conspiracy out to get the Clintons, they MAY also be criminals, but who knows with the well funded witch hunt?
Compare that to the actual words that have come out of Trump's mouth. He has exposed himself as much worse than a buffoon.
Yes Berie would have probably been a better choice, but the voters make that choice. Just like Kasisch would have been a better choice.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 16, 2016 - 09:23am PT
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who knows with the well funded witch hunt
I and many millions of others are not swayed by some "witch hunt." I had no particular ax to grind with Clinton prior to the foundation scandal and email server.
At that point, I carefully assessed her own admitted behavior and the publicly-published statutes. It doesn't take a lawyer to connect the dots and see that "putative" is being technically generous.
The litany of facts (not right-wing conspiracy) are compelling.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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May 16, 2016 - 09:33am PT
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Give me Clinton vs. Trump, and I'm almost certainly forced to vote for Trump
You are headed like a cannon ball towards making an extremely irresponsible decision.
Clinton is a putative criminal,
Clearly, you are delusional since this has no basis in fact.
connect the dots
Oh, that's it...she's a criminal if you connect your dots. Oh, man, "dots".
No actual facts, but you've got those dots!
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