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10b4me
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Jul 29, 2015 - 12:27pm PT
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Well that a convincing argument. 20,000 dead Africans, widespread starvation, graft, theft, crazy inflation and the whole country screwed up by some shitheads don't mean squat compared to a single Lion. Of course, we are all Americans and will agree with you. Obviously.
the africans can try to change their predicament. the animals can't.
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philo
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Jul 29, 2015 - 12:38pm PT
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Sorry rong but I just went back through your previous thread posts. All opinion no facts no proof.
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philo
climber
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Jul 29, 2015 - 12:50pm PT
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Still no proof, no facts, all bluster and BS.
But, but but Benghazi! Fast and Furious! Jade Helm 15! Bundystan Bunkerville!
Earl and the Clutterbusters
http://youtu.be/N0Wn3Eey6dY
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jul 29, 2015 - 01:09pm PT
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Same old Rong.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Jul 29, 2015 - 01:47pm PT
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Why can't those cowardly hunters be like us and find glory in dying on the rocks? Other people are just so f*#ked up.
Oh man I'm suffering today - an 8 yr old girl raped and murdered by a 15 yr old boy. My 8 yr daughter attended camp there last week and we took one of the other residents - a new friend - to the pool with us. Of course I returned the friend home safely, as, fortunately for me and the girl and her mom, we've been able, over time, to move past our previous master/slave relationship.
Sh#t it would be a lot easier to face this stuff if I didn't love that girl of mine so much. I expect it works the same for you.
Wishing you all well people.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Jul 29, 2015 - 04:16pm PT
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Regarding the issue of trophy hunting providing economic benefit to the African people:
Child prostitution of underage boys and girls is a significant part of the economy in Thailand and several other countries. That doesn't excuse the fact that it is disgusting and reprehensible.
Laws, societal pressure and economic incentives to shift behavior can gradually make a difference. But there will always be people who will pursue an illegal thrill, no matter what society in general thinks of it.
Our best weapon against people like this guy is to shine a light on them and keep it on.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Jul 29, 2015 - 05:14pm PT
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Oh, do we have irrefutable proof of his guilt now? I mean, it sounds bad and all... but don't we usually uphold the theory of innocent until proven guilty?
Did you miss that the dentist admits killing the lion, and that he trophy hunts? Wtf do you think people are pissed about?
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jul 29, 2015 - 05:21pm PT
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What a coward. Hope his practice suffers.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 29, 2015 - 05:24pm PT
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The forum coward ^^^^ calling another a coward.
The forum coward proves it takes one to know one including being a hypocrite to the boot .....
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jul 29, 2015 - 07:28pm PT
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Curious information,
For a young Masai to become a warrior they have to kill a lion. ( I bet some are wounded and tracked for more than 40 hours). Just a fact and thought.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jul 29, 2015 - 07:43pm PT
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Chuckcar,
Interesting perspective. I would be willing to wager that most cultures have a long history of hunting predators. Be it an initiation, protection, or trophy to have good standing with the community.
Obviously times have changed, and some didn't get the memo.
Still confused why this dead lion causes outrage when the poaching from Africans/organized crime is never a headline (and the demand comes from markets in Asia).
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 29, 2015 - 08:47pm PT
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You're absolutely right Ron, the rage should be expanded many fold. Japanese whale hunters, the ivory trade, rhino horns for aphrodisiacs, over fishing, chimpanzees and gorillas slaughtered for bush meat.....it goes on and on and on.
That in no way absolves the ahole regardless of who herded the lion out of the park. Elephants and rhinos wouldn't be poached without the money coming from outside. The blame can be laid in many laps, and should be. One persons guilt doesn't mitigate another's.
I personally find the trophy hunting of apex predators absolutely reprehensible. They aren't putting meat on the table and neither are they increasing there penis size.
Making an example of one is fine with me...it might give others pause. Throw the book at him, pillory him....nothing that he endures will be excessive to his actions.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jul 29, 2015 - 09:02pm PT
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Donini-
I undestand you are against hunting. I believe your last post/conversation is about legal hunting vs poaching. Even the hunters agree that if Cecil was taken illegally the poacher should be in trouble (jail time in my thoughts).
So...... if you are anti hunting we should agree to disagree. I will not change your opinion. I could try!
I respect your anti hunting stance and do not place any pressure to change your own views.
Why do you feel the urge to change mine?
And for the record cat tastes like cat to me.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 29, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
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I'm not intrinsically anti hunting....there is even a little bird hunting in my past. I am against the trophy hunting of animals that are not the usual table fare.....especially apex predators whose continued existence is threatened just so some well off first worlder can feel macho.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jul 29, 2015 - 09:19pm PT
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The largest threat to predator species and their prey in Africa is NOT American trophy hunters that pay 30,000 per trip.
It is the illegal poaching from Africans and organized crime (rhino horn and Elephant/hippo ivory).
At least the trophy hunters money support and advance the species populations they harvest.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jul 29, 2015 - 09:31pm PT
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Hah, I will eat it. So will the Africans. I butchered a roadkill Hippo next to the Limpopo in S.A.
I have only ate three species of cat, all white meat. It isn't my favorite but I say, why not, don't want to see it wasted!
Sorry that might be taboo to some.
I hate to see food going to waste!
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jul 30, 2015 - 08:06am PT
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Still confused why this dead lion causes outrage
condolences to the confused.
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philo
climber
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Jul 30, 2015 - 08:11am PT
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Palmer with Ian Gibson and the Kill d'jour.
Ian Gibson was the Bwana that was trampled to death in April of this year by the very elephant he wanted to murder.
W Bryan are you attempting to excuse this killing by equating indigenous peoples hunting for sustenance with wealthy foreigners arranged trophy hunts?
Really?
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