motorcyclist fatality in Yosemite near Pothole Sunday

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Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
May 15, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
Pud, extremely funny, thanks for that! (The automatic speed limit image)

I do too.

The problem with motorcycles of all sorts is that they have such favorable power-to-weight ratios (like as low as 2-4 lbs per horsepower or more) that they are all pretty intoxicating, even the woosie ones. Some of us can handle it and some of us couldn't. (note the tense). And understanding that you have merely 15 square inches mas-o-minos contacting the ground apparently is beyond many as well. But holy mother whore (as Roper used to quoth) they are so so cool.

AS far as noise pollution is concerned and loud bikes, such bikers tell themselves and others that they have to be loud in order to be perceived by normal drivers and avoid accidents. Meanwhile, the most advanced stock street bikes (BMW, Ducati, similar) aren't very loud at all because those riders, usually way way better skilled people, use something a bit more effective than mere noise announcing their presence, namely riding skills and tactics that never quit. For the most part, loud bikes are only that, loud bikes, and soothe the owner in his or her insecurity. To me, riding is much like being on a lead. It is actually a kind of hyper vigilance and a bit exhausting mentally, as you are doing some of the driving for everyone around you on the road. Let that scheme drop, get tired or presumptive, and down you will go at some point.
martygarrison

Trad climber
Washington DC
May 16, 2013 - 12:05am PT
Credit: martygarrison

Oh wait, wrong thread
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
May 16, 2013 - 12:17am PT
Well it's kinda funny. It's not black and white, to be sure...


But you get people like Coz, who is basically just a giant ego with shoes thinking he is entitled to be, well, an ass. Then you have Norwegian, who walks lightly and naturally assumes he's no more entitled than the next joe.


Motorcycles follow this dynamic exactly.


Beautiful... I mean f*#king beautiful Norton up there. The essence of the distinction I'm trying to make.




Edit: Me, I'll ride my bike. 'Cause cars do make you soft.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 16, 2013 - 12:44am PT
If my car made the kind of noise the typical Harley does I would be pulled
over in a heartbeat. Why do they get a free pass on noise pollution? I
love bikes but there's no reason for the egregious noise. There should be
noise meters at park entrances. Aircraft are required to maintain a 2000'
separation above the highest point in a park or wildlife refuge. Of course,
the Navy and AF seem to think they're exempt too.
klaus

Big Wall climber
Pacif*#ka Muthaf*#ka
May 16, 2013 - 01:12am PT
future organ donor riding by my new climbing structure

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khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
May 16, 2013 - 01:20am PT
All you need to know, really...



Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
May 16, 2013 - 10:52am PT
It's the Ducati doucebags that piss me off, not Harley guys (hate the noise however). When cycling-bike-up in the local mtns, it's not cars that scare me, it is the crotch rockets riding way above the speed limit that are dangerous to us cyclists.
Seriously, if you crotch rocket riders want to race around blind curves PLEASE go to a track, it will be safer for all.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
May 16, 2013 - 11:29am PT
donorcycle bump

Rollin' rollin' rollin' Keep those organs rollin'

Motorcycles seem like an excuse for a lifestyle.

But I don't care, ye can juice yer putt putt, pretend you's something.

Organs, rollin', rollin'

Check the appropriate box when yer submitting your licensing forms to satan's butt hole, please.

Cut 'em out, ride 'em in,
Ride 'em in, cut 'em out,
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in:
Rawhide!
Hah! Hah!
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
May 16, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
Man, some of you guys are disgusting.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 16, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
reilley said

If my car made the kind of noise the typical Harley does I would be pulled
over in a heartbeat. Why do they get a free pass on noise pollution? I
love bikes but there's no reason for the egregious noise.

could not agree with you more, reilly

the very first thing Harley buyers do is buy a much louder exhaust system and this is not unique to Harley boys and girls, the vast majority of all street bikes have illegal exhausts

why? one reason, louder exhausts simple sound better, more cool, more muscular

and the reason the owners give is because "loud pipes are so cars hear me, save my life"

unlike autos and trucks, motorcycles are not required in most states to undergo semi annual emission testing, they get off scott free

enforcement of existing laws largely does not apply to motorcycles
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
May 16, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
You can't tell me the sounds of this bike accelerating to 180+mph doesn't make you hard.

Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
May 16, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
I was up on ZM a few years ago and heard a motorcycle start down the road at probably the Lodge. I was fuggin LOUD up on ZM and got louder as it approached El Cap. As it came into view it was louder still, the guy turned at the Bridge and rode back to maybe Curry before I couldn't hear it anymore!

The thing was fuggin LOUD!

The helicopter that rescued someone right below me the next day didn't seem much louder.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
May 16, 2013 - 01:49pm PT
Man, some of you guys are disgusting.

Okay.

I guess we have ourselves a bunch of pretend bad asses here. Culture they saw on tv but when they take a few honest jabs to the gut it becomes green lawns and picket fences for them again.

Guy sounded like he was riding like a dipsh#t. Nothing against the fella, but he got what he got. I've seen car drivers do the same thing and wished they'd just run off a cliff instead of endangering everybody else.

And also sign the appropriate organ donor documentation.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
May 16, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
enforcement of existing laws largely does not apply to motorcycles

So True NOW but not BITD...

Back in the 70's it was very common to have the CHP's go visit the Rock Store, bust out some sort of decible meter and read your volume. If over the mark.... busted, fix it ticket, come back and pay the fine withiin two weeks.

I wonder why they have, apparently, ceased this enforcement???????


I don't understand all the hate directed at the dead rider......
He used very poor judgment, paid with his life.

I have used very poor judgment with bikes many times, got lucky and walked away. I learned from this stupidy- stopped riding and got into racecars that you race on the track.... that will let one get really stupid and learn just how to take risks - every lap.

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
May 16, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
I don't understand all the hate directed at the dead rider......
He used very poor judgment, paid with his life.


His very poor judgment could easily have made somebody else pay with their life too. No hate here, just not much sympathy, I guess.

Cry baby bad asses.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 16, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
I wonder why they have, apparently, ceased this enforcement???????

Because cops and the justice system are hypocrites. A few years ago there
was a motorcycle cop in Laguna Beach who carried and wielded a decibel meter
with unflinching rectitude. The public uproar from all those older/retired
Harley riders caused his boss to order him to desist.

"We can't have policemen enforcing the law with equanimity and honesty!"
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 16, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
Anastasia

climber
Home
May 16, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
"Shaking my head...."

I bought a Harley in my twenties... Greatest thrill was taking my best friend on the back and showing up for events. Talk about a grand entrance... Nothing like two long haired descent looking girls getting off of a purple Harley. I had a really pretty female dragon painted on my gas tank. I bet that was why they kept staring... We never paid to get into a club. NEVER.

Anyway... I tried first not buying a loud exhaust. Yes, I thought it was obnoxious too. People kept swerving into me on the road. Then... I gave up, put in loud exhaust and magic happened. A whole lot less close calls.

So... I totally get the safety aspect. Especially with a bike that doesn't split lanes easily to get away.

Now, I lost that bike years ago when I tried to avoid hitting a dog and ended up laying it down, sliding into a guard rail. The car behind me hit the dog anyway. I'm still upset over that. I still feel bad about that poor dog. I rebuilt it, repainted the gas tank, lost the dragon and rode it for a month afterwards before selling it... I simply lost the good feeling and knew my time was up.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
May 16, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
I'd NEVER do anything dangerous, like riding a motorcyle.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 16, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
A bunch of rock climbers claiming that someone is using very poor judgement with regard to personal safety.

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