motorcyclist fatality in Yosemite near Pothole Sunday


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Mountain climber
north bay today/someplace else tomorrow
Oct 12, 2006 - 12:51am PT
We call them "donor-cycles" in the ED, nice young men, healthy , organs in good shape.... deep sorrow. Blessings to all .

san diego, ca
Oct 12, 2006 - 01:05am PT
Motorcycle fatalities 2,057, Pedestrian fatalities 5,300, Bus/Truck fatalities 5,194, Automobile fatalities 51,054. Terrible numbers, but look at this: Medical Malpractice Fatalities 643,800. And they say bikers are a PUBLIC BURDEN?

Mountain climber
the last bivy
Oct 12, 2006 - 01:22am PT
truth is there are by far more people dead than alive.. ha ha, guess where we're all going..every last one of us.
better make today count.

Social climber
The West
Oct 12, 2006 - 08:23am PT
Mark, so it's safer to ride a 'bike' than go to a doctor? could be.

Pink, other way around; the living out number the dead.

Sport climber
Buzzard Point, TN
Oct 12, 2006 - 08:29am PT
S'too bad, seems to me that when you leave the continent a lot of places bikes of all types rule...

Ride safe! As my friend sez, A Cheap Way to Die...

Look ma, no helmet!

Mountain climber
the last bivy
Oct 12, 2006 - 11:37am PT
"Pink, other way around; the living out number the dead."

Think of all the humans ever incarnated onto (into?) the planet since the first ape stood up, and the mere 6 or so billion on the planet now. Many more of us are dead, than are living. In our psychology we don't really see ourselves as temporary. Perhaps a trick of the mind to support survival,or just as easily an illusion that will fade with evolution or enlightenment. In less technological cultures death is present at home every day. To live with death in our awareness is a gift from the Spirit, I believe. It gives us the impetus to appreciate the depth of the moment, which is where real joy lies. It gives us perspective.

Maybe it has something to do with why we climb. Jaybro I appreciate your post on that other thread... "can't help it"

keep looking up

Trad climber
San Francisco South Bay, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 12, 2006 - 01:53pm PT
"To live with death in our awareness is a gift from the Spirit,"
nicely said Pink

When death happens, it changes people who are still living.

All our days are precious. So the question is how do you make the most of your days on earth?

Trad climber
Oct 12, 2006 - 03:17pm PT
Werner, do you know if the bike was green?

Sunday I noticed a green crotch rocket heading for the east entrance. I thought, "that guy is out of his element." Looked like a city street bike to me.

I was a motorcycle mechanic out of high school. First girl to take the class offered there. I rode RD's for a few years, specalized in porting 2 stroke heads. The first time I tried club road racing, it feaked me out.
Then I had 2 friends killed, many others seriously injured/crippled for life, and I started losing me nerve.
After I discovered climbing & mountaineering, I never rode a motorcycle again, and quit wrenching.

I considered riding through Tuolumne to the Valley a few years ago on my road bike. After driving it, and getting run onto the little bit of shoulder twice, I decided that was a very bad idea.
(Good thing I was in a full-size 4x4!)

I still think roped rock climbing is the safest thing I do!


Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
May 15, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
Credit: pud

Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
May 15, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
good riddance.

no, zero sympathy.

f*#king retards
screaming out their cowardice
into the unwilling ears and bumpers
of passive peers.

Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
May 15, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
Credit: pud
Dapper Dan

Trad climber
Menlo Park
May 15, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
Credit: Dapper Dan

A beautiful day on the Oregon Coast ...

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 15, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
wow, Dan

beautiful picture of your wife, girlfriend, daughter I presume

I like that big thumper, doesn't look like a Harley, maybe a V star?

here's my baby, now 40 years old:
photo not found
Missing photo ID#303333

Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
May 15, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
nuh uhh!

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
May 15, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
I'm with you Norwegian! Totally agree on the noise aspects of the loud bikes. No need for it. I would fall down on the pavement laughing if I ever observed you doing it. Probably get my butt kicked as well :-)
Dapper Dan

Trad climber
Menlo Park
May 15, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
It is a Honda vtx 1800 ... we rode to Key West FL on it last summer . It's super smooth , low end torque , Honda reliability ... a great all around big bike , bike and heavy being the key words .
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
May 15, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
Pud, extremely funny, thanks for that! (The automatic speed limit image)

I do too.

The problem with motorcycles of all sorts is that they have such favorable power-to-weight ratios (like as low as 2-4 lbs per horsepower or more) that they are all pretty intoxicating, even the woosie ones. Some of us can handle it and some of us couldn't. (note the tense). And understanding that you have merely 15 square inches mas-o-minos contacting the ground apparently is beyond many as well. But holy mother whore (as Roper used to quoth) they are so so cool.

AS far as noise pollution is concerned and loud bikes, such bikers tell themselves and others that they have to be loud in order to be perceived by normal drivers and avoid accidents. Meanwhile, the most advanced stock street bikes (BMW, Ducati, similar) aren't very loud at all because those riders, usually way way better skilled people, use something a bit more effective than mere noise announcing their presence, namely riding skills and tactics that never quit. For the most part, loud bikes are only that, loud bikes, and soothe the owner in his or her insecurity. To me, riding is much like being on a lead. It is actually a kind of hyper vigilance and a bit exhausting mentally, as you are doing some of the driving for everyone around you on the road. Let that scheme drop, get tired or presumptive, and down you will go at some point.

Trad climber
Washington DC
May 16, 2013 - 12:05am PT
Credit: martygarrison

Oh wait, wrong thread

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 16, 2013 - 12:44am PT
If my car made the kind of noise the typical Harley does I would be pulled
over in a heartbeat. Why do they get a free pass on noise pollution? I
love bikes but there's no reason for the egregious noise. There should be
noise meters at park entrances. Aircraft are required to maintain a 2000'
separation above the highest point in a park or wildlife refuge. Of course,
the Navy and AF seem to think they're exempt too.

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
May 16, 2013 - 10:52am PT
It's the Ducati doucebags that piss me off, not Harley guys (hate the noise however). When cycling-bike-up in the local mtns, it's not cars that scare me, it is the crotch rockets riding way above the speed limit that are dangerous to us cyclists.
Seriously, if you crotch rocket riders want to race around blind curves PLEASE go to a track, it will be safer for all.
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