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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Feb 18, 2016 - 01:51pm PT
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Gary, you know I am loathe to extrapolate. Of course it will cost at least 50% more than that
You're really are an optimist, Reilly. As for the rest, you are correct, defense dollars are dollars flushed down the toilet. As a Republican president once said:
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 18, 2016 - 02:09pm PT
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Why will we be in soup lines if there are More Jobs
and we are making better wages than any Republican can provide
He's not Hoover
or W.
economies always do better during Democratic/Socialist Presidents
money going to the people rather than trickling up
just more disingenuous blather
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 18, 2016 - 03:48pm PT
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If you're going to pick apart Bernie's economic plans.
Please tell us how Cruz, Trump, Kasich, Rubio or JEBs economic plans will help the economy.
Everything I've heard says they are no different or worse than W. Bush's and will add trillions to our debt and create No jobs.
Please, explain how they will be better since you seem to say they will be better than Bernie's by default when leaving out the elephant in the room
or don't and we will take it that they suck compared to Bernie or Hillary's plans
It's either a Dem or Repub, which would you prefer?
Hypocrites
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 18, 2016 - 04:00pm PT
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Craig, don't straw man me. I'm not going to defend the republican plans. You should know better than that. Paul Krugman is critical of Bernie: is he now a right wing guy too?
Running as a dem doesn't make your plan infallible. That goes for Hillary, too. If progressive economists are finding serious problems with Bernie's proposals, and he is making claims as to what they will accomplish that are overly optimistic, then these problems need to be addressed. In other words, follow the data: isn't that what we always bash republicans for not doing?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Feb 18, 2016 - 04:16pm PT
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Robert Reich supports Bernie as do 170 other economists as I linked up earlier.
What are they not Liberal or just because they support Bernie they do not count .
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 18, 2016 - 04:31pm PT
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Well, those 170 economists should have no problem explaining why Krugman et al are off.
Reich is not an economist, btw.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Feb 18, 2016 - 04:34pm PT
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from his Wikipedia page...He attended Dartmouth College, graduating with an A.B. summa c#m laude in 1968 and winning a Rhodes Scholarship to study Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at the University of Oxford.[12] While at Dartmouth, Reich is reported to have gone on a date with Hillary Rodham, the future Hillary Clinton, then an undergraduate at Wellesley College
...she must be at least a foot taller than Reich ;-)
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 18, 2016 - 04:38pm PT
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Great job keeping the fires lit wilbeer.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Robert Reich, from United States Department of Labor
Robert Bernard Reich (/ˈraɪʃ/;[1] born June 24, 1946) is an American political economist, professor, author, and political commentator. He served in the administrations of Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter and was Secretary of Labor under President Bill Clinton from 1993 to 1997.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 18, 2016 - 04:43pm PT
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In any event, I trust that the Bernie campaign, or Bernie leaning economists, will consider and address what his economist critics are saying.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Feb 18, 2016 - 05:06pm PT
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couchmaster: Quite some time ago, you said that you would bet heavily that you knew "much much more" about the ideals that U.S. troops fought to defend during WW II.
I assume that you actually meant that you knew "much much more" than the U.S. Army, who produced the "Why We Fight" films to inform those who served what the war was about and the better world they were fighting to create.
As you will recall, the reason I was recommending these films was to remind people of the dreams that so many of these brave souls gave their lives to realize for themselves and future generations, and then compare this to the dystopian future that cheap hustlers and bigots like Trump are threatening to unleash upon the U.S. public.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 18, 2016 - 06:51pm PT
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Good luck selling Bernie Sanders after 8 years of Obama. Or Hillary, for that matter.
Bernie is selling Leninism and the young fools think it sounds so great!!! Do they teach history in school anymore? These economic models sound really great and promise so much prosperity, but repeatedly fail. And they ALWAYS fail miserably, meaning most people usually suffer badly. The elites never suffer in these systems, and they know this. The economic model is a safety net for them and a tool of societal control.
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kattz
climber
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Feb 18, 2016 - 07:01pm PT
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If Bernie is nominated, better dump real estate asap, lol...
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Feb 18, 2016 - 08:28pm PT
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James Brennan: Would you please grow up some time? I'm still waiting for you to act like a man for once and apologize to me for that breathtakingly uninformed attack you unleashed upon me regarding the subject of labour unions.
Let's respond to your latest dumbass comments in order:
 Both of my parents and most of their friends served during the war and directly and through conversations that I chanced to overhear I heard all kinds of first-hand information about the real thing. In addition, I have read extensively - almost obsessively - about pretty well all aspects of that conflict. Furthermore, relatives of mine were killed or wounded during that conflict.
I have a full awareness that there isn't much time to ponder ideals while ducking bullets, but to get those people into uniform in the first place, they've got to believe that there's a reason to do so, or else that army is essentially useless.
Unlike you, I spent my formative years playing in bomb ruins and living under food rationing, so I guess I can say I've got one hell of a lot more authority to express an opinion than a arrogant, pig ignorant fool like you.
I regularly donate as much money as I can afford to veteran's charities, and have done so for many years.
I had every intention of joining the military, and was a cadet until it finally became apparent that my eyesight prevented me from pursuing my my career aspirations.
I'd like you to cite a single instance where I have insinuated that I have some greater awareness about the real thing in World War II than any veteran of that conflict. I have tremendous respect for those people.
Since you're blindingly incapable of understanding why I recommended those films in the first place, it is an undeniable FACT that those films were shown to the troops during WW II and it promised them a world that was actually created for them after the war (admittedly, whites were the main beneficiaries). Secure jobs were plentiful, homes were affordable, and the American Dream was a reality. This lasted until the greedheads starting with Reagan and his successors started siphoning away money from the people who actually worked for a living and proceeded to stuff it into their own pockets along with their corporate sponsors.
What makes your toxic comments even more odious is your delusionary belief that your opinions are worth even as much as a thimbleful of methane.
ASZHOLE.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Feb 18, 2016 - 08:31pm PT
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Hey gang, just thought this thread could use some better pics. Skiing was great today. Kids complaining too much powder, they can't go as fast!
P.s Go Bernie!!!!
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Feb 18, 2016 - 10:39pm PT
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James Brennan: Perhaps you should read your infantile post before you start whining about me providing you with a complete reply.
Assuming that you have enough intelligence to count to four, what do you want? Receipts? Screw you. Find a lawyer to hold $1000 in escrow over this & I'll be happy to take your money.
As for your puzzlingly ignorant assertion that grade 9 students had ever seen or even heard of the "Why We Fight" films, I'd be willing to bet that most university grads haven't heard about them.
I try to avoid insulting anyone on the basis of their intelligence, but I'm clearly not hesitant to engage in verbal combat with as#@&%es, which is why I make no effort to avoid treating you with contempt.
Perhaps if you were enough of a man to apologize for your previous completely untrue attack upon my integrity, I'd attempt to be more polite toward you.
No... I guess I wouldn't. Your pathological spite is beyond forgiveness, and as I have quoted someone smarter than me before: I try not to fight a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Feb 19, 2016 - 05:00am PT
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All you Bernie supporters,
GIVE me your STUFF.
You have it backwards, the people supporting Bernie want YOUR stuff. They don't have any to give, that's why they want yours.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 19, 2016 - 05:24am PT
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More from Paul Krugman, addressing concerns from prominent progressive economists about Sanders' various plans, and claims that are made about them:
By endorsing outlandish economic claims, the Sanders campaign is basically signaling that it doesn’t believe its program can be sold on the merits, that it has to invoke a growth miracle to minimize the downsides of its vision. It is, in effect, confirming its critics’ worst suspicions.
Again, this isn't coming from Faux News commentators.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/opinion/varieties-of-voodoo.html
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 19, 2016 - 06:18am PT
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^^^^^^Resorting to logic? How dare you! Another dang article to read. ;-) Keep posting them up!
edit; Let the vetting get serious!
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