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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 16, 2016 - 01:47pm PT
As long as the Democrats and the Republicans remain in power we are doomed.

As I look out of my office window I don't see doom or anybody expecting it.
I guess I live amongst a bunch of head-in-the-sand dummies.

So why don't you answer my last question? It wasn't that difficult, was it?
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Feb 16, 2016 - 01:50pm PT
You were talking to me? Sorry if so...missed that.

The Economist? The 3 trillion? Bernie and the military? Well, it seems everyone's SOP to put the data thru a "spin" cycle, although I have heard that number. Still doing research when I have the time and I haven't read that article yet. Bernie did talk about the military spending cuts a bit sometime last fall. I noticed lately it has NOT been a talking point.

A possible telling point I am not happy about with Bernie, is his avoiding the question of "Will a Sanders presidency mean larger government". The correct answer is, DUH, uh YEA! He needs to embrace that sucker and explain where and what.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 16, 2016 - 01:53pm PT
Pure extremist rubbish

The Democratic Party is the Only party that can save America
But it needs help from every liberal to sustain support it, and it needs money to out compete the Republicans

We need to take it over with real liberal progressives and shut out the Blue Dogs feeding off the scrapes the Repubs leave behind.

As soon as the Dems have enough power, then they can put a stop to Citizens United and get the money out of politics
Until then, we are going no where except to the bottom and fast
..


Is there any other Hope for a fix?
NO
What does Chris Hedges suggest?, He sure doesn't have any solutions, just a lot of rhetoric of doom and gloom

It sure doesn't help to say that all politics suck and then sit out the elections and let Republicans take over.

Their battle plan is to make people think they are all the same
because it's just another method of voter suppression.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Feb 16, 2016 - 01:53pm PT
People are looking at fired up primary voters and then thinking that applies to the general electorate. Many D's and R's strike me as really out of touch with how the general is likely to play out.

McGovern had the fired up youth vote 100% locked up. How did that turn out?

Goldwater was a purist. Ditto.

Obviously, a concern. Look, Hillary has been in the public eye a long time. She's got negative baggage, about 90% of it unwarranted, in my view. But it's easy to understand why younger voters don't want to see another Clinton or Bush win.

The multi-decade smear campaign against Hillary has had some effect. However, at this point, I don't believe that additional attack adds on Hillary will make a real difference. $200 million of attack adds on Bernie in the general election would make a huge difference to swing voters.

I thought Reagan was too old when he took office and that he was suffering dementia by the time he left. Bernie would be older yet by the time he was sworn in.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Feb 16, 2016 - 02:01pm PT
My grandmother was sharp as a tack up to the day she died at 96. Got her driver's license renewed the year before.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 16, 2016 - 02:03pm PT
Got her driver's license renewed the year before.

HaHaHaHa! That's a damn low bar, in Cali anyway. My mom just got hers
renewed but I sold her car as favor to the people.

thanks for the reasoned response re: Bernie's $3 Trillion
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Feb 16, 2016 - 02:06pm PT
LOfukinL ...it was in Arizona. For another 5 years too. Even lower than cali!! You Fokker, you messed up my re-buttal ;-)
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Feb 16, 2016 - 02:14pm PT
I don't think anyone seriously believes Bernie will get through very much of his program. He'd have to have really good "coat tails" to bring in a majority of both houses. My sense is, people are responding to his passion. Our current President, is very laid back and after 8 years, it's enough.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 16, 2016 - 02:25pm PT
Just Because Bernie will not get everything through because of Republican obstructionism is no reason to give up on the fight.

If Bernie was President, he would inform America of Why he's not getting things through that the American People elected him to do,
and the people will be pissed once they find out how they have been duped by the Republicans.

And then the next election the people will vote out the people that are holding them back from a promising future and more money in the bank

This 2016 election is probably going to give the senate back to the Dems

This whole battle over Supreme Court Appointments is souring a lot of independents, the obstruction is blatantly unconstitutional.

The more Republicans over reach, the more votes they lose.

There are a lot more vulnerable Senate seats open this year than 2014.
Rubio will probably lose Florida, Kelly Ayote will probably lose NH.

Your most important vote is Congress, vote out the Unconstitutional Republicans!
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Feb 16, 2016 - 02:26pm PT
I don't think anyone seriously believes Bernie will get through very much of his program.

I would agree, but I also doubt that trump would get many of his proposals through. Sure, he might get them through a republican congress, but pretty sure they would be tied up in the courts.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 16, 2016 - 02:35pm PT
Free Collage
Single Payer HealthCare
Break up the Big Banks
Strengthen the Safety Net
Regulate Wall Street
raise taxes on the rich
Put a per trade tax on stock market

all these things are Way too hard to get in today's climate of getting nothing except the opposite done

as in:
More expensive college
more expensive healthcare
bugger banks
Less regulations on Wall Street
etc
These things the Repubs can get through Congress, Yea!!!

What a lousy excuse of a democracy we have.

Too many people have given up, we should have these things, and we should fight for them.
No one can tell me what we shouldn't have free college or single payer, every First World country has these.
The only excuse is, the Repubs won't allow it

What does that mean?
It means we have given up our rights to the Republicans.
I don't like that one bit.
We must vote them out and keep them out.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 16, 2016 - 02:41pm PT
What a lousy excuse of a democracy we have

Yes, it is terribly inconvenient, especially when the guillotine is
sharpened and ready to go, although you would probably prefer a dull one.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 16, 2016 - 02:44pm PT
The Republican voters gave away the Democracy

They voted for people that Do Not represent Them
They represent the moneyed interests that do not like a strong Democracy, since it limits their power to pollute, steal and keep wages low
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 16, 2016 - 03:00pm PT
We had Free College until Reagan took away from us
He didn't like that we were teaching young ones how to think.

He thought we all should go back to Church and learn some BS instead, that keeps people controlled and malleable, like sheeple,
that's what conservatives want, they hate a well educated populace,

it made it so much harder to dupe them into voting against your better interests because you're duped by some wedge issue or misled by a smear campaign
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Feb 16, 2016 - 03:57pm PT
More expensive college
more expensive healthcare
bugger banks
Less regulations on Wall Street
etc
These things the Repubs can get through Congress, Yea!!!

bugger banks!? And I thought those guys were anti LGBT.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Feb 16, 2016 - 04:25pm PT
You go Craig!

Now, where is Hedge when we need him?

EDIT: That's "Joe," not Chris...
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 16, 2016 - 05:10pm PT
I agree that Chris Hedges is somewhat extreme in his views and he has pretty much given up on the American political establishment. He makes little distinction between the chance of initiating change that will benefit working class people via the Democrats or the Republicans. I don't always agree with him but I appreciate his insights and that he is not afraid to speak truth to power. He feels strongly that meaningful change will not be initiated on the convention floor or by any main stream politicians, it will have to come from other means.

IMHO, people like Chris Hedges are valuable for the questions they ask more so than the solutions they recommend.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Feb 16, 2016 - 05:13pm PT
Just because I like to cut-n-paste.

The influential economist Thomas Piketty is the most recent trans-Atlantic observer to note that the "incredible success of the 'socialist' Bernie Sanders" is indicative of a deeper, populist movement that's brewing across the United States.

In a column published in the French newspaper Le Monde on Monday and translated on his website, Piketty argues that regardless of whether Sanders wins the Democratic nomination, "we are witnessing the end of the politico-ideological cycle opened by the victory of Ronald Reagan at the November 1980 elections."

Putting Sanders' rise within historical context, Piketty revisits the period between 1930 and 1980 when the U.S. "pursued an ambitious policy of reduction in social inequalities," with economic policies that included progressive income and estate taxes, as well as the implementation of a federal minimum wage (which reached above 10 dollars per hour, in 2016 dollars, by the end of the 1960s).

"Half a century of steady fiscal progressivity" came to an abrupt end in 1980, when Ronald Reagan "surfed" into the presidency "on a program designed to reinstate a mythical capitalism said to have existed in the past," propelled largely by the frustrations of "the financial elites."

Piketty said this culminated with the 1986 fiscal reform, which lowered the top tax rates to 28 percent (compared to an average rate of 82 percent for the richest Americans during the previous era), as well as the freezing of the federal minimum wage.

Neither effort, he notes, was "genuinely challenged by the Democrats of the Clinton years and the Obama era" leading to an "explosion of inequalities and huge salaries...and stagnation of the incomes of the majority." Indeed, the French economist rose to global prominence in 2014 when he argued in his book Capital in the Twenty-First Century that the world had entered another Gilded Age.

Piketty concedes, "Faced with the Clinton electoral machine and the conservatism of the major media, Bernie will perhaps not win the primary." But he adds, "it has been demonstrated that another Sanders, possibly younger and less white, could one day soon win the American presidential elections and change the face of the country."

"Today, Sanders’ success demonstrates that a substantial proportion of America is tired of the rise in inequality and these pseudo-alternatives and intends to return to a progressive agenda and the American tradition of egalitarianism," he concludes.

Bernie Sanders' elder brother, Larry, who lives in the United Kingdom and is a local leader in the Green Party, made a similar argument last week. Larry Sanders attributed his brother's popularity to his focus on economic inequality, telling BBC: "The distribution of money from the bulk of the population to the very rich is true and when somebody says it they resonate to that."
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 16, 2016 - 05:26pm PT
Yes we should vote for someone else. Bernie hardly has things figured out,despite his total policy available at his website.

But why read that when you can pine away for someone who could not organize a rock fight.

I mean look at all the alternatives,wow,choice.
Including Clinton2.

Bernie is doing the right thing,he has to go big to get some.

Outside of beating down oligarchy all issues are non
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 16, 2016 - 05:26pm PT
Chris Hedges is an outstanding journalist and writer

But he is on the far Left end, and his only message is that We Are "completely f*#ked"


I completely agree with him there, but I want to look for solutions.
He doesn't have any other than a complete revolution,

I don't agree there, it can be done, it has happened before.
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