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John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Feb 16, 2016 - 08:40am PT
I am informed, the open Primaries start next week and they offer a clue to the General Election. So we shall see.

10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Feb 16, 2016 - 08:44am PT

Indeed. My wife is a Sanders supporter - though not a first timer - and she says, if it comes to Hillary vs Trump, she will just stay home.

John, I don't understand that reasoning. I hope she realizes that any republican is worse than Hillary.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2016 - 08:58am PT

Feb 16, 2016 - 08:37am PT
That's the point you are missing. Bernie will win.


Again, faux news and their allies will gut him alive. Again, they will make him look like the second coming of Stalin, and probably worse.

Obama was far less liberal than sanders, and the electorate never complained that he wasn't liberal enough.
Norton

Social climber
Feb 16, 2016 - 09:06am PT
Really?

Explain how Sanders gets to 270 Electorsl Votes state by state?
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Feb 16, 2016 - 09:12am PT
Again, faux news and their allies will gut him alive

Using whatever energy they have remaining after the war with Donald Trump?

John, I don't understand that reasoning. I hope she realizes that any republican is worse than Hillary.

Seems obvious that people, are tired of having the powers-that-be, control this process. They're still attempting, by any means necessary, to impose their will here. Some people, refuse to be stampeded.

I live East of the Hudson. Meaning I live in the bluest of blue. Already, they are talking about an open convention.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Feb 16, 2016 - 09:16am PT
If Hillary gets the nomination, I see them sitting out the election.

Obviously, a concern. Look, Hillary has been in the public eye a long time. She's got negative baggage, about 90% of it unwarranted, in my view. But it's easy to understand why younger voters don't want to see another Clinton or Bush win.

If Hillary gets the nom, she should have ample time to turn that around to a large degree, especially if Bernie gives her an enthusiastic endorsement. The Dem convention is in July. If Bernie is showcased one evening and makes the case for Hillary, it would be a huge boost.

It Trump gets the GOP nom, the stakes will be clear. Add in a likely Supreme Court battle that threatens Dem. constituencies & their issues, it should add up to Dem's rallying around Hillary, even if some are holding their noses.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 16, 2016 - 09:16am PT
Bernie is brave enough to say that climate change in our #1 enemy.

Maybe if you live in Florida. How many times does Werner have to tell you?

STOOPIDITY IS OUR #1 ENEMY!
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Feb 16, 2016 - 09:22am PT
Again, faux news and their allies will gut him alive. Again, they will make him look like the second coming of Stalin, and probably worse.

Rush Limbaugh attacked Bill Clinton 3 hours a day, five days a week for four years. Clinton won re-election by over 8 million votes.

They threw Eugene Debs in prison, he still got almost a million votes.
(best election slogan ever!)
Then Robert LaFollette got almost 5 million votes. Then Norman Thomas got 900,000 votes. These in elections where 20 million or less were voting.

Did they win? No. Did they play a major part in bringing about the New Deal? Yes.

But not to worry, crankster, and dirtbag. If Sanders keeps winning primaries, there'll be a mysterious air accident and you'll be able to vote for Hillary with a clear conscience.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Feb 16, 2016 - 09:36am PT
Again, faux news and their allies will gut him alive. Again, they will make him look like the second coming of Stalin, and probably worse.

Obama was far less liberal than sanders, and the electorate never complained that he wasn't liberal enough.

More fear mongering. And I remember a very strong push to label Obama as a Socialist. There are still 8 months to go and so far much of what has been happening has not been predicted by the bulk of the Hillary supporters posting on this forum. Actually, that could be said for both sides. Pyro has been right about Donald a number of times.......hmmmmmmm. Like I said, not a normal year. Throw conventional thinking out the window.
Norton

Social climber
Feb 16, 2016 - 09:43am PT
Pyro has been right about Donald a number of times..
\

how so, I can't remember?
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2016 - 10:05am PT
Using whatever energy they have remaining after the war with Donald Trump?

In opposing a self-described socialist? Seriously?

They had a lot of fun trying to paint Obama as a socialist. Sanders would be a medium rare prime rib to the well-funded hate machine.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2016 - 10:06am PT
More fear mongering

Yes , it is. It should concern you greatly. Because they would gut him alive and they would defeat him.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2016 - 10:09am PT
They threw Eugene Debs in prison, he still got almost a million votes.

Bernie would probably get 30 million.

Then what?
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Feb 16, 2016 - 10:28am PT
I'll potentially be much more receptive a week or two (or so) before the convention to what you all are saying. Until then, I'll wait to see what the situation is. No doubt, it could get messy.

Is Bernie my perfect candidate? No. But like anyone, you take the good with the bad.

Opinions. Hmmm, nobody is ever 100% right. Not even close. Personally, I'm constantly reevaluating a number of lines of thought. You are human; so you make mistakes based on assumption, various biases, and incomplete knowledge. And just because you are good at debating a point doesn't necessarily mean you are correct. Just like having the majority of people backing you doesn't mean you are doing the right thing. Anyway, we still have time...
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Feb 16, 2016 - 11:11am PT
You are human; so you make mistakes based on assumption, various biases, and incomplete knowledge

admitting a mistake is a BIG part of GROWING-UP!

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 16, 2016 - 11:29am PT
I realize that most of you consider The Economist as a right wing tool of
the capitalist oppressor class but that is because either you haven't read
it with an open mind or your reading comprehension is seriously deficient.
In actuality it is quite unbiased if not downright liberal on many fronts.
Anyway, they say that Bernie's programs come up $3 TRILLION short
of a paid meal ticket. Whatever the true figure is I am rather mystified
that I haven't heard him talking about cutting the Pentagon's budget in
half to pay for his largesse. Have I missed him saying this or is he just
like most liberals in that he lacks the cojones to confront the Military
Industrial Complex and risk being deemed soft on 'defense'?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 16, 2016 - 11:32am PT
That's because he intends to use the military to administer his screwball Marxist policies. That's the only way Marxism *works*.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Feb 16, 2016 - 11:38am PT
I realize that most of you consider The Economist as a right wing tool of
the capitalist oppressor class

Really? My naivete has me at a disadvantage here, but all the time? I mean sometimes, sure.

That's because he intends to use the military to administer his screwball Marxist policies. That's the only way Marxism *works*.

fuggen LOL!!!
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 16, 2016 - 01:25pm PT
For those who might be interested in reading a critique of Bernie from a leftist perspective, see this article by Chris Hedges...

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/bernie_sanders_phantom_movement_20160214
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Feb 16, 2016 - 01:35pm PT
A little snippet from tuolumne_tradster's link...

In Europe, America’s Democratic Party would be a far-right party. The Republican Party would be extremist. There is no liberal—much less left or progressive—organized political class in the United States. The growth of protofascists will be halted only when a movement on the left embraces an unequivocal militancy to defend the rights of workers and move toward the destruction of corporate power. As long as the left keeps surrendering to a Democratic Party that mouths liberal values while serving corporate interests, it will destroy itself and the values it claims to represent. It will stoke the justifiable rage of the underclass, especially the white underclass, and empower the most racist and retrograde political forces in the country. Fascism thrives not only on despair, betrayal and anger but a bankrupt liberalism.

The political system, as many Sanders supporters are about to discover, is immune to reform. The only effective resistance will be achieved through acts of sustained, mass civil disobedience. The Democrats, like the Republicans, have no intention of halting the assault on our civil liberties, the expansion of imperial wars, the coddling of Wall Street, the destruction of the ecosystem by the fossil fuel industry and the impoverishment of workers. As long as the Democrats and the Republicans remain in power we are doomed.

Pretty much sets the tone of the piece.
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