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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 18, 2015 - 06:25pm PT
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I felt that someone should start a thread about this - yet another murderous rampage with innocents as the targets. He got the gun for his birthday.
We certainly aren't in danger of running out of horrible people up here, but I am sincerely incapable of understanding why there isn't a ongoing and massive national dialogue going on among people of good will about this cancerous love affair so many citizens of the U.S. have with firearms.
There's much I want to say, but it would be probably more useful to read the comments of others for a while.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 18, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
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Suprema: Just broke my resolution, but all I've read &/or heard so far - maybe, maybe not.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Jun 18, 2015 - 07:33pm PT
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Family is Christian, so the Islamic terrorist angle isn't there.
Christian terrorist angle in full play...
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jun 18, 2015 - 07:35pm PT
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Christian racist
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 18, 2015 - 07:36pm PT
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The fact that he was a Christian makes him no less capable of doing this than anyone else on the planet.....the fact that he was a loser and a racist with easy access to a weapon tells the tale.
This countries weird obsession with firearms has led to far too many senseless deaths and is an embarrassment to all who live here.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Jun 18, 2015 - 07:41pm PT
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Islamic terrorist
Black thug
Christian racist
Is that how the labeling goes?
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Jun 18, 2015 - 07:45pm PT
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jun 18, 2015 - 07:46pm PT
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@ TE: Open to your universal labeling system.
The Islamic terrorist card has already been played by Presidential candidate Lindsey Graham
Lindsey Graham downplays race after black church shooting: People ‘looking for Christians to kill them’
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Jun 18, 2015 - 07:59pm PT
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It looked to me like the target was somewhat random -
he had mentioned other targets recently to his friends, and they were not sure if he was joking.
I imagine his father (not uncle), who gave him the gun just recently, does not feel good about that gift.
"Give the gift of death."
It could be classified as transfering (or providing access to) a firearm to someone who is not responsible.
(That might work for legislation?)
At a minimum it should be possible to sue the father,
which might get other such people thinking about giving such a gift?
In my view, there will always be people who don't have reasonable values,
and want to kill other people.
Particularly adolescent males who have a tendency to go extreme
(that's why there are drinking age limits, etc.)
Being mentally ill doesn't help either....
We might prevent some deaths if we could keep guns out their hands of some of these people.
Basic ways to do this:
 require license (with criminal record check, mental capacity test) to buy or receive a gun
tax guns (make them more expensive)
These methods won't prevent all shootings, but they might help.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 18, 2015 - 08:03pm PT
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Who knows if the uncle actually regrets the gift? He was 21 years old, where did he get his racisim? I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a family affair.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 18, 2015 - 08:05pm PT
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And the confederate flag is still proudly flown in S. Carolina.
Interesting that today the Supreme Court just ruled that Texas could refuse a request to make a specialty license plate with the confederate flag on it. Maybe SC can become as enlightened as Texas, not a high bar.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Jun 18, 2015 - 08:10pm PT
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where did he get his racisim? I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a family affair.
Amen that capacity for hatred is inherited.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 18, 2015 - 08:32pm PT
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His sister was the one that recognized him from the surveillance video and dropped a dime on him, so don't paint the whole clan with the same brush.
He had a felony drug possession arrest in February. He was already legally bared from possessing or having a firearm transferred to him.
Daddy is probably going to prison for ten years.
I'll bet that's where he got the attitude from as well.
He deserves worse.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jun 18, 2015 - 08:34pm PT
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A national disgrace.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 18, 2015 - 08:43pm PT
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Maybe SC can become as enlightened as Texas, not a high bar.
SC has,
an Indian American woman for Governor,
A Black Senator
And a special needs gay Senator.
One of the victims was a well respected, black, long time state legislator.
how much more "enlightened" can you get?
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Jun 18, 2015 - 08:48pm PT
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How much more --- drop the flag of Traitors.
We don't have a gun problem -- that laughable.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 18, 2015 - 08:48pm PT
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A national disgrace.
No, Crankster, not a "national" disgrace. A human disgrace.
Yes, the US has a gun culture that makes it easier, but racial/religious/whatever hatred is universal.
There is no country in the world that doesn't have psychopaths within its population. Perhaps some are worse than others, but in many ways, the US is a model of racial acceptance. (And yes, I know that white cops kill black boys).
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thebravecowboy
climber
liberated libertine
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Jun 18, 2015 - 08:52pm PT
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how much more "enlightened" can you get?
are we both speaking of South Carolina, USA?
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Jun 18, 2015 - 08:54pm PT
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Our society glorifies violence in so many ways. These kids today are being raised on a constant dose from TV, movies, and those video games that are absolutely appalling. Violent art/simulations (movies, video games) may actually reduce violence because they allow normal people to "try it", knowing it's not real.
However, they may encourage violent fantasies of non-normal people.
Overall, it's hard to censor art (age limits/guides probably help, though), and it can be a positive thing on balance.
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