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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 6, 2015 - 09:13pm PT
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When I get hit by a rock, avalanche, or wild animal, I hate that crap! I let the aforementioned have it with every big boy bad word I know. I will call them (and the fellow that triggered it) the nastiest things I can imagine regarding any stereotype or thought.
If that person is gay or a minority it could be called a hate crime (my untasteful words)?
I feel the term "hate crimes" is irrelevant if we are, as I believe, equal.
What about my white ass?
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2015 - 09:26pm PT
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And now i could be prosecuted because someone is offended! That ain't right.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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It always amused me to hear attorneys arguing with a straight face that a particular murder was or wasn't a hate crime. The SCOTUS should have declared the first "hate crime" laws unconstitutional violations of the 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection. Sad to say, under the "conservative" majorities, the SCOTUS has been too timid in deferring to the legislature. If the SCOTUS were more jealous in guarding the Constitution, maybe we wouldn't be in the post-Constitutional government we have now.
John
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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I'm not sure that I follow. If what you're mad about is that they're an inattentive climber, why would you insult them for being black or gay? If you do commit a crime of verbal abuse against them because they're black or gay, isn't that a hate crime? I'm not following how the two are related for you, but maybe it's not so much about the law or what they did? Thanks for your post.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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I think maybe you misunderstand what a hate crime is. I think you're right when you think that we're equal, in that if someone attacks you be cause of your race or sexual preference (white and heterosexual?) then that's a hate crime. It doesn't matter what your race or sexuality In the eyes of the law, it's a hate crime if you're attacking them because of their race or sexuality.
I don't think that you're right to think that we're equal in the eyes of the people though. If you're black you are 220 times more likely to be the victim of a hate crime (last time I looked at the stats..). We're not equal in the eyes of the people. That's probably a big reason why we have hate crime laws.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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We make distinctions like that in the law. The difference between premeditated (first degree) murder and a crime of passion (second degree) murder, for example.
The fact that a hate crime is not based on the persons specific race or sexuality, but rather that you're attacking them because of their race or sexuality, is not a misunderstanding that a conservative legal expert is inclined to correct, or most white heterosexuals are inclined to correct for themselves. You can get a glimpse of the inequality that the laws are trying to correct by the fact that a white heterosexual doesn't even consider that they can be a victim of a hate crime because of their race or sexuality, because hate crimes are unequally committed. That's what the law is trying to fix.
Which one of those classes, democrats/republicans, trad/sport, is the class that's unequally the target of hate crimes? What's the inequality that we need to correct in those cases? The laws against police brutality for the last 100 years fixed the problem? I'm not convinced :-)
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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If you attack someone because they knocked a rock down on you its not a hate crime. If you verbally attack them because of their race or sexuality, that's a hate crime. Why do we need to defend our rights to attack someone because of their race or sexuality? For me, I think it's because it's something that we do to others, not something that others do to us.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Thanks moose. I'm sorry I don't know. It's such a difficult intractable problem in our society that we've tried for so long to fix or just pretend its fixed, and then the DOJ comes out with a report that says despite the complacency of their white neighbors, yes it does make sense for blacks in Ferguson to feel frustratingly racially targeted by the justice system, because they are...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Once you introduce the notion of "thought crimes"
Then who decides what thoughts are criminal?
What at some future date do your thoughts become criminal?
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2015 - 06:46pm PT
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Thanks for the responses.
"sticks and stones can break my bones but words will never hurt me"
What happened to that?
If I call you honkey/redneck/hayseed farmer/ hillbilly I get applause not anger.
Curious why folks get upset at being called names.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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May 13, 2015 - 06:53pm PT
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Curious why folks get upset at being called names.
Simple really...because they are hurtful.
Getting kicked in the nuts is hurtful too.
It's just a matter of degree.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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May 13, 2015 - 06:54pm PT
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What at some future date do your thoughts become criminal?
Obviously, when the man or the pentagon says so.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2015 - 07:02pm PT
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Delhi Dog-
If I worried or was offended at what people called me to thought about me. That seems like a miserable existence.
If you don't worry about yourself and hope to help out the rest of the world regardless of your race (we don't care). It makes for a happier life.
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