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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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people who are not yet at that level should respect that the person is willing to take the risk and be supportive
For me, that means essentially that the other people should support and respect what we're doing, where we are, what our perspective is. We could choose to flip that and say that leaders should give topropers priority and respect where they are on their climbing journey and be supportive of how scary it seems and how risky it is to be a noob and support them learning and gaining experience on their path to being the awesome climbers that we are. But that view of the ethics doesn't really work to our advantage, so we don't tend to convince ourselves to see it that way.
Thanks for the thread and for sharing your thoughts!
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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That's right !
You're supposed to say "I'm The Big Mike, so fuk off ya little n00b !!!"
:-)
Funny as heck. Just make sure you have that RyanD dood for backup if Sandra is not around.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2015 - 02:07pm PT
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Wicked story Kris.
We could choose to flip that and say that leaders should give topropers priority and respect where they are on their climbing journey and be supportive of how scary it seems and how risky it is to be a noob and support them learning and gaining experience on their path to being the awesome climbers that we are.
The truth is, had they asked nicely if they could have had the route, rather than trying to claim something we clearly had established ourselves on, I would have cheerfully remained silent on the subject.
I still think that the one exposing themselves to more risk (leading), should be respected by those who to aspire to lead themselves in the future. Not to say that top-roping and setting up anchors doesn't have risk as well, but in this case, the risk that they faced would have been equal (same ledge) no matter which of the four routes they had chosen to climb.
The risk for Sandra was exponentially increased by this interaction, since she chose to lead the 7 instead.
Thank you for your thoughts on this subject and ours has been indeed the most interesting discussion to emerge from this thread.
Lol John! Ryan's such a tough guy... Lol
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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First one to the base of the route gets first dibs.
I've had times when I'm with a group and about to set up a top rope and somebody shoes up wanting to lead the line. If I figure we'll be on the route for some time I'll say why don't you go ahead of us, seems like common curtousy, which I guess isn't so common. Or if we've been on the route for some time and somebody comes up with a long face realizing they'll have to wait for awhile I'll offer them to use our rope and toprope it.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2015 - 03:05pm PT
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You know how to handle those situations, you little troll.
Isn't trolling being disingenuous about one's true feelings in order to illicit a response?
I have done nothing of the sort. I simply presented a true scenario which occurred to me at the crag and am in the process of engaging a discussion about it.
If you'll read some of my responses up thread, I have already said I could have handled it better and have discussed alternate ways of dealing with the same situation in the future.
I've had times when I'm with a group and about to set up a top rope and somebody shoes up wanting to lead the line. If I figure we'll be on the route for some time I'll say why don't you go ahead of us, seems like common curtousy, which I guess isn't so common. Or if we've been on the route for some time and somebody comes up with a long face realizing they'll have to wait for awhile I'll offer them to use our rope and toprope it.
Exactly. Like I said,
I could see if you guys were already up there tossing the rope down
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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What is "Prority"?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2015 - 03:52pm PT
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Take it easy, Big Guy.
What would lead you to think I wasn't? Once again the beauty of the internet, (especially for the tonally challenged such as myself) is you can't discern tone. Lol
Yeah John.. I totally messed that up.. Lol too late now...
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Just writing out loud..
edit: gotta have some fun at work.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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What is "Prority"?
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Okay. I got it; eh? I failed Canadian in hi skool.
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Floorabove
climber
The Gunks y'all
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Weekend cragging= amateur hour.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Hmmm I would tell them "sorry my rope was under that route, I was searching for a proper warm up and I can't really warm up on a 5.6. Hope you guys have a great time!" *Smirk, keep the face straight* = sending.
Hope we can rope up sometime, Mike, we can make a good team. Maybe we can simul the royal arches clipping only the gear other people placed.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
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Lol . I'm down V.
Sandra has real trouble with the mental aspect of leading, especially first climb of the day. That's why it was so important for her to lead something easy.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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what kind of a dou che looks over at a woman who is about ready to get on the sharp end and states "oh, we were just about to toprope that one"?
edit: to answer my own question I suppose the same type that doesn't understand that a rope at the base means it's claimed. kids these days....
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2015 - 09:42pm PT
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Exactly Doug...
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Nature for the win.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Foreign devil, keep your nasty attitude.
The meek shall inherit.
How good is the prority on that climb? Is it solid?
How do you put up with such a pissy, whiny, bully of a brat, Sandra?
They probably hooked it because you didn't brush your teeth again, Mike. :0)
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Who Topropes 5.6?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2015 - 10:22pm PT
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Beginners. Notice i've been very careful not to use offensive terms for beginners?
Trying to maintain a discussion here.
Stop making me laugh damn it Mouse..
Trying to be serious here.
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