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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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Apr 20, 2015 - 10:51pm PT
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My kid doesn't have those behaviors. I don't punish him . I think it's authoritarian bullsh#t. I don't punish my dog. There are merely actions and outcomes. My dog is perfect and so is my kid because I speak dog and I speak kid. If either behaves improperly it's because we haven't done the necessary work. Conveniently, each 'issue' is a teachable moment.
As you were. Carry on. That is all.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 21, 2015 - 07:52am PT
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I've done expensive research ..
Oh well if was expensive then we'd better value it. What are trying to do by giving it away in this thread - spoil us?
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 21, 2015 - 08:28am PT
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I think that we humans develop a simplistic perspective on causality. The kid is innocent - their behaviors are not their fault - t's the parents fault because of the way that the parents behaved towards them. The parents behaviors are their fault. One step of causality is as far as we can believe.
I think that if we had all of the information then we could add 90% and 90% and 0% and get 100%. But not having the information doesn't stop us from being 100% sure that our belief is true, and then acting on it.
We're humans. We believe stuff. Then we behave based on those beliefs. That's how we work. It's the best we can do. Same for our kids.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 21, 2015 - 01:37pm PT
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I don't know if they're spoiled, or not. But I sure see a hell of a lot of FAT kids.
I just drove past the Junior High. The kids were "running" laps on the sidewalk during P.E. class. A quarter of them - at most were running. The rest were just casually walking along. The ones walking, almost all of them were great big FAT kids.
When I went to the other Junior High in town, we had one FAT kid per class. I don't mean one FAT ass in each classroom. I mean there was one FAT kid in the entire Class Of '81 - out of a thousand of us.
Spoiled? I don't know. Maybe the kids would love to run around outside from sun-up to almost midnight, like we did, and stay skinny, but aren't allowed to by their paranoid parents.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 21, 2015 - 01:56pm PT
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Are you calling poor people dumb?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Apr 21, 2015 - 04:14pm PT
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DMT: You can call the boomers all sorts of things, but they certainly weren't spoiled - they were born into a prosperous world that their parents had fought and died for in WW II and, certainly naively, boomers assumed that it would remain this way forever. That said, they were (legally) regularly spanked or worse by their parents, were similarly punished at school and could be tossed into some kind of detention facility for comparatively minor offences like "having no visible means of support" and so on. Exercise was also compulsory at school. The drinking age was 21, and minors found in possession of alcohol were prosecuted.
Again, their sin was to assume that they didn't have to fight to defend the prosperity that they enjoyed as adults from its destruction by Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr.
Scrubbing bubbles: I assume that your evil comment was intended as a joke. It was a tasteless one.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 22, 2015 - 07:08am PT
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Bah humbug! Kids today are spoiled rotten! There is simply no hope....when the present crop become adults humanity will fade and the cockroaches will assume their rightful place.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Apr 22, 2015 - 08:01am PT
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I think my kids live in a much more competitive and uncertain world than the one I grew up in. I see it in their school, sports and in the too rapidly approaching future, college selection. So my kids have nicer bikes and other stuff than I had and get to do fun stuff I worry things are harder for them.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Apr 22, 2015 - 01:50pm PT
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DMT: Actually, you're right - I'd toss Maggie Thatcher in there at the top of the heap. There is, however, considerable evidence to date the decline of the middle class and the rise of the obscenely super-rich to the politics of these three - none of whom were baby boomers, by the way.
I also admit that this probably isn't the best place to discuss this stuff, and that there is buckets of room for debate. Probably heated debate :)
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hellroaring
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Apr 23, 2015 - 12:02pm PT
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Maybe they are. Of course not the kids who are forced to become child soldiers (that's some F'd up shit) or make dangerous desert or sea crossings to escape poverty and/or war, etc..
Perhaps the parents who have the means to spoil their kids do so because buried deep down they feel guilty about the future of this world we are leaving them and their inability to do anything about it.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Apr 23, 2015 - 03:30pm PT
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Hi DMT: Yeah... any attempt to rationally discuss those days would probably be pretty close to hopeless.
Keep the faith.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Apr 28, 2015 - 07:15am PT
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maybe, but the really scary thing is their sense of entitlement; they believe they deserve whatever they want
teaching brave new world to a bunch of 10th graders and discovered a majority believe people are LITERALLY "created equal"; they were genuinely appalled at the idea that some people might be born less intelligent (i'm not talking about a mental disability, just a particular gift or lack thereof)...in other words, we're ALL alphas
thus, it really is "unfair" that some people are successful and others are not; if everyone is equal, then only a corrupt system can explain any disparity between status, wealth, etc.
oh, brave new world, indeed
we're doomed and only the zombies can save us...i'm afraid most of my students will end up on the buffet
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 28, 2015 - 09:13am PT
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Its true, people just have such wacky ideas about intelligence and how to measure who's alpha or equal or not equal. It used to be strength and speed and daring that made you unequal but now it's more about skin color and genitalia and intelligence. What's an unequal ADHD hunter going to do in a world that values farmers? Nowadays they'll just be classified as unequal by those intellectually entitled smart folks.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Apr 28, 2015 - 10:41am PT
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baltimore police should hire her
there's your answer...take the white cops out of the black neighborhoods and let black moms patrol the streets
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 28, 2015 - 11:51am PT
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Bunch of old withered bitter men bitching about "kids these days."
Same as it ever was.
Yawn...
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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More than a million souls are suffering.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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The black mom in Baltimore needed to discipline her kid from protesting the institutional racism that killed Freddie Gray so that he wouldn't also end up dead from our Institutional racism. In the old days the kid would have just been a slave. So good example, I guess that kid is more spoiled nowadays.
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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The phrase “spare the rod, spoil the child” is a modern-day proverb
that means if a parent refuses to discipline an unruly child,
that child will grow accustomed to getting his own way.
He will become, in the common vernacular, a spoiled brat.
The saying comes from Proverbs 13:24, “He who spares the
rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.
Rodless In Baltimore.
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Are kids more spoiled these days?
I am.
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