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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Apr 19, 2015 - 08:23am PT
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Baby boomers seem more spoiled!
We are.
Sex that wouldn't kill you, $5 rock concerts, no "homeland security", cheap drugs, free love and a general appreciation of life.
Growing up in the 70's was prime.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 19, 2015 - 08:32am PT
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As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. Old people ragging on young people. Stupid.
There have been spoiled children from time immemorial.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Apr 19, 2015 - 08:44am PT
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i find it impossible
to raise live souls
in a graveyard culture.
it really, really depresses
me to watch my children
conform to their
culture despite
my contrary offerings.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2015 - 08:49am PT
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I don't have children so maybe what I'm about to say is useless theory.
I wish I had been taught to be a bit more social than I was. Some Conformity and familiarity/respect for the social customs you are surrounded by is not all bad. The main thing is developing a passion for something and enough non conformity to beleive in your own path.. but you can't succeed following a passion unless you have good social skills, compassion and enough respect for rules not to screw your life up and put unnecessary obstacles in your own way.
How do you teach that balancing act?..lol
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 19, 2015 - 09:56am PT
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How do you teach that balancing act?
Do you mean how do we teach the children the balancing act, or how do we teach the parents the balancing act of teaching the children?
For me, with a child on the autism spectrum who perceives eye contact as threatening, and living in a society that perceives that unwillingness to look you in the eyes as antisociability and contributes to creating/enforcing his antisociability, and then we omniscient omnipotent altruistic humans pat ourselves on the back for how good and right and hard-working we are and it's just natural to disapprove of/ disassociate from someone who won't look you in the eyes .. I hink your question is one that we ask of humans, but that god answers ..
If you can't teach yourself to be more social, could you teach your children? That's what it's like to be a parent. :-) if you can teach yourself, then maybe it's not about your parents.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Apr 19, 2015 - 01:49pm PT
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**I think you meant "lack" of an attention span being a detriment......and YES, IT IS!
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No, that's not what I meant.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 19, 2015 - 06:19pm PT
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spoiled or not - who cares - I just want their plasma...
//"Young Blood May Hold Key to Reversing Aging"
"Two teams of scientists published studies on Sunday showing that blood from young mice reverses aging in old mice, rejuvenating their muscles and brains. As ghoulish as the research may sound, experts said that it could lead to treatments for disorders like Alzheimer’s disease and heart disease.
“I am extremely excited,” said Rudolph Tanzi, a professor of neurology at Harvard Medical School, who was not involved in the research. “These findings could be a game changer.”
The research builds on centuries of speculation that the blood of young people contains substances that might rejuvenate older adults."
//
New York Times
MAY 4, 2014
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Apr 19, 2015 - 06:23pm PT
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DanaB. . . I got it!
Grazie.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Apr 19, 2015 - 06:51pm PT
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If so, the parents are the prime factor in the equation.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Apr 19, 2015 - 09:58pm PT
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Yeah, wasn't Caligula the spoiled adopted son of Tiberius? Depraved Youth learns from depraved Old Age?
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Apr 20, 2015 - 06:24am PT
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I think the question should be aren't. Parents overindulgent, overprotective, and over everything with their kids. Kids just doing what kids do. Just this weekend I made my kid earn his turns on a tele set up that included $10 skis, $65 boots and bindings he bought for himself for $125 so he had free pivot instead of the old free pit bulls I gave him. Should have made him use the old bindings so I could keep up.
Man was he pissed.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 20, 2015 - 08:21am PT
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Last night my cuz was relating her first visit to Rome when she was 16. She and the family
were shown around the Vatican Museum by the Asst Curator. Then he took them to the
Pope's apartments and let her take a pic of St Peter's Square from the Papal Balcony.
Waaay spoiled!
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 20, 2015 - 11:54am PT
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Thank God for spoiled kids. I just bought a $1600 mountain bike, less than a year old, for $600, 19 year old kid's sister bought it for him last year. . .kid needs it because he can't hold down a job. . .at Kmart.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Apr 20, 2015 - 12:05pm PT
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A couple of years ago, my (then) 22 yr old son called me one evening from Brooklyn. He is working for a moving company and trying to make it as musician/actor/producer in the Big Apple.
He said "After paying rent at the end of the month I didn't have enough money to get something to eat. I just got back from the subway where I played my guitar and sang for about an hour and made enough money to have a nice dinner. I just wanted to call and thank you for teaching me how to do that"
Warmed my heart, he's gonna be alright.
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Apr 20, 2015 - 03:48pm PT
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The ex bf had a son he spoiled rotten all due to his guilt over his divorce. He just doled out money to the kid, oh 24 yrs old ain't a kid, anyway, the dad is ruining his son. The kid was allowed to drop out of high school and had never held a job.
He drives a Mini Cooper and has every kind of boy toys,which btw, he never uses.
Sad really cause it's not the kids fault it is the crappy parenting.
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Chantal Kayem
Sport climber
Maroubra
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Apr 20, 2015 - 05:44pm PT
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Hi, my name is Chantal Kayem and I am a child psychologist and parenting expert. I have written the book "Help! I've Created a Brat!" available from Amazon.com. I have done expensive research for my book and I can tell you that children these days are way more spoiled that when were growing up. One of the big reasons for this is because of the child-centered parenting movement. About twenty years ago, child experts took a major turn on their advice regarding how to best raise children. The focus became on raising happy children with a high self-esteem rather than well-behaved children, so much so that, for many, even the words “strict” and “punishment” have become dirty words in parenting.
These experts have focused on ways to make children feel good about themselves by giving them time, attention and praise. At the risk of hurting their child’s self-esteem, parents have been wrongly led to believe that they should not act like the person in charge or as an authority figure to their children. Parents have been encouraged to reason and talk things over with their children, to negotiate their way into solutions. Parents have been told that negative consequences or punishments lead to children feeling unloved, disconnected or badly about themselves. The result unfortunately has turned out to be a loss of power of authority and respect for parents. And children have become accustomed to arguing with their parents about any limits they don’t agree with.
Also thanks to this focus on child-centered parenting, today’s parents often worry that they will make a critical mistake that will damage their child for life. As a result, parents end up being hesitant and uncertain as to how to respond to their child thereby often backing down rather than correcting their child’s inappropriate behavior from fear that it may hurt their child.
Some parents wrongly believe that the more they buy their children, the better off they are when the opposite is true. The less children have, the more they appreciate what they have. In the same way that we could not appreciate sunny days unless we experienced rainy ones, children cannot appreciate what they have unless the experience not having everything they want.
Today’s parents often not only are giving their children too much but they are also expecting too little. Unacceptable behaviors are tolerated nowadays that would never have been tolerated when we were children. Children are rude, refuse to do their chores, or fail to complete their homework and receive little or no. And despite their poor behaviors and attitudes, many parents reward their children with the toys, activities and entertainment they desire.
Does Your Child Act Spoiled?
How many of these behaviors sound typical of your child? Your child often:
• Whines, demands, complains or shouts to get her way
• Pushes or argues with you to give-in
• Is ungrateful for what you do for them and often asks for or demands for more
• Tells you how bad you are when things don’t go their way
• Ignores or fails to comply to many of your instructions
• Pushes for explanations for your limits or discipline
• Accuses you of being unfair
• Speaks to you disrespectfully
• Does not seem satisfied
If many of the above behaviors are typical of your child’s, then your child is acting spoiled. The more of these apply, the more spoiled your child is likely to be. Regardless, don’t beat yourself over it, spoiled children are a common phenomenon of today and you are far from being alone. Solutions to how to turn these behaviors and attitudes around can be found in my book Help! I’ve Created a Brat! by Chantal Kayem available at Amazon.com
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Apr 20, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
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Best reply ever.
I thought LEB was dead.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Apr 20, 2015 - 06:21pm PT
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^^^^^classic. Classic. Classic.
I loved the 2nd chapter, didn't you?
Snicker poo coming out my nose.
If you read all the parenting books but are dyslexic do you get a pass?
Susan
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 20, 2015 - 06:29pm PT
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"Spare the rod and spoil the child".
My Southern Grandmother - all 85 pounds soaking wet of her could light your fanny up with a hickory switch like there was no tomorrow if you sassed or acted up.
As a result - not a one of us four kids would ever be caught dead throwing a fit in public. We were polite and respectful and accepted compliments and gifts with dignity and thankfulness.
Self esteem never entered the picture.
Self awareness and self control was our reward.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 20, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
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^^^^School of Hard Knocks - FKNA Yes!
My old man taught me how to swim in the ocean by picking my 7 year old butt up over his 6'4" frame and tossing me into the waves off Myrtle Beach.
Floundered like a panicked rat for what seem like ages - but to this day I can duck dive a roller like a native!
Nowadays - I could instead tweet CPS and have the old bastid arrested for "abuse"... and still couldn't swim.
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