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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Apr 17, 2015 - 08:44pm PT
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Not sure if spoiled is the right word but they certainly appear to take things for granted. I took a deposition today of someone who grew up in Soviet controlled Yugoslavia. He's in his 60s now but remembers when he was 14 getting a hand me down "good American jacket" that kept him warm in the winter. It looked like tears were going to start welling up in his eyes remembering it. Do you any kids nowadays who would get misty eyed over a jacket?
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alannamal
climber
B.C.
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Apr 17, 2015 - 09:42pm PT
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Only the ones with lazy bad parents that made them like that!
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Apr 18, 2015 - 12:59am PT
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your attention span is about 1.3 seconds
I was thinking about that the other day. I wonder if an attention span, as many of us think of it, is actually a detriment in this day and age.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Apr 18, 2015 - 04:27am PT
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The good old days. What are or were they?
I was in the National Library of Ireland researching for a screenplay (period piece Ireland 1909-1911).
I was looking at an (microfilm) edition of The Kerryman, this is when the front page of newspapers had all sorts of items… ads, editorial, what not.
A letter to the editor complaining about the "shiftless young men on the bridge drinking stout all day". Remember this is 1909.
Or the one where a guy shoots his sister in the leg and barricades himself in the cottage when the (then) Royal Irish Constabulary arrive and a stand off ensued. Again 1909.
Have times changed, anywhere?
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Apr 18, 2015 - 06:25am PT
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you know how that arrow-of-cupid's-bow pierces
your pinkest muscle when you fall into love's pit?
well that arrow ricochets around in there
for a bit and makes wee arrow offspring
and those arrowettes come shootin back out
of your heart and strike those next in line
whom gather up your love
and harness it tectonically in their own
emotional mountain building process;
and this child-rearing process
yes it is a craft.
one which i am passionate about.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Apr 18, 2015 - 11:20am PT
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Depends on the demographic and economics of the area they live in. I remember in the late 90s in Palo Alto where parents were buying their kids $11,000 dollar Pasanti titanium bikes out of the Wheelsmith shop. One night they sold three of 'em to doting dads who bought them for their teenage kids.
It's all relative to how big an IPO you have and how large your equity is I guess.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 18, 2015 - 11:31am PT
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I once had the dubious pleasure of managing a group of 20-30 somethings and ran into the "entitled" culture on a daily basis.
Call me old-fashioned, but I came from a world where winners were rewarded for their efforts and losers got constructive criticism...unless they kept screwing up...then they got canned.
It's been 10 years but I still chuckle over the 31 year old we riffed who showed up to the exit interview with his Mom. They both ranted about how all participants are winners and how I must hate diversity since I had canned little Johnny.
Took a lot of self control to keep from busting up with laughter!
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 18, 2015 - 12:00pm PT
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I remember the days when I was spoiled with no permits needed and no lines on the cables of Half Dome. My daughter is definitely spoiled though in comparison to her ancestors who were slaves. The winners used to (..) be rewarded for their efforts at being white. It's all she can do to not bust out laughing at our entitled childhoods. Depends how you look at it I guess.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Apr 18, 2015 - 12:03pm PT
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My kids are spoiled;....they don't even have to get haircuts....
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Apr 18, 2015 - 03:26pm PT
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Platon said:
"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions.
Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"
"The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."
(From a sermon preached by Peter the Hermit in A.D. 1274)
"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint" (Hesiod, 8th century BC)
Nothing new under the sun, huh? Complaining about youth is as old as civilisation. Some seem to become old and grumpy in a rather young age, though.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Apr 18, 2015 - 03:34pm PT
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Mine are
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 18, 2015 - 07:30pm PT
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"It first appeared in some book from the 1950s, whose name I don't care to look up"
Well, you made me look. FWIW:
http://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/12/13/riot/
"Quote Investigator: QI has found no substantive evidence that Plato made the statement above.
The earliest instance located by QI was spoken at the Convention of the American Society of Newspaper Editors held in April 1968. A panel titled “What about the Generation Gap?” was moderated by the newspaper executive Creed C. Black of “The Chicago Daily News”. His introductory remarks employed the quotation: 1"
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 18, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
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I was thinking about that the other day. I wonder if an attention span, as many of us think of it, is actually a detriment in this day and age.
I think you meant "lack" of an attention span being a detriment......and YES, IT IS!
Being able to maintain attention on something for an extended period is a great gift, and allows one to do things that would be impossible otherwise.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 18, 2015 - 08:58pm PT
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Setting the jealousy of youth factor to the side for the moment...I'm earnestly hoping you young bucks keep at it because someone has to fund my upcoming Social Security!
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Apr 19, 2015 - 01:40am PT
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Randisi, and apogee,
I know it's questionable who said that quote, that's correct. It's been attributed to Sokrates too.
Actually I was searching for a Roman's angry tirade against the young. I thought it was Cato, but I didn't find it.
But some grumpy old man said it. :-)
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Apr 19, 2015 - 01:50am PT
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Jim,
good for you! I like them too.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Apr 19, 2015 - 06:26am PT
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About 20 years ago I was dating a hottie semi-pro triathlete and MTB racer.
She dumped me because the MTB that I bought cost "only" $600.
I still have it and it's still the only MTB I've ever needed.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Apr 19, 2015 - 08:07am PT
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I like the present youth. They are educated socially to a level far above the fists first, questions later generation I grew up in. (1960's - 1970's -1980's)
jim I like how you put it as fist first..
old guys and their intimidation tactic don't work no more..
young kids these days have a lot of stuff to pay for.
*baby boomers generation never had to pay for a computer, cell phone, flat screen, education, high gas price, smart cars, good weed and etc..
Baby boomers seem more spoiled!
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