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Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 11, 2015 - 09:00am PT
This may have been said upthread.

National Monuments are administered by one of three agencies:

NPS, Dept. of The Interior
NFS, Dept. of Agriculture
BLM, D.I.

Which agency gets the job is decided at the time of the declaration. For quite a while now the NPS has been taking the position that they are too stressed to take on any new responsibilities. This was made clear in the recent effort to shift the administration of Giant Sequoia Nat Monument from NFS to NPS.

Anyway which agency gets the job has a big effect on how the area is to be administrated.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 11, 2015 - 11:14am PT
Obama and Reid, once again acting like DICTATORS. Without ANY consultation from the state reps county reps or the people, we awakened to a new natl monument the size of friggin Road Island here in NV. There was no clue this was happening- I guess that's supposed to exemplify "transparency" eh???

He was acting under the authority given to him BY CONGRESS under the Antiquities Act..

So kindly quit your tiresome, ignorant, bullsh#t-laden bitches, whines and bellyaches about dictators. You don't have a clue.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 11, 2015 - 11:25am PT
Yes he has the authority. But normally when a President considers using that authority they will begin by engaging with congress and the local communities and their representatives.

Just because the authority is there doesn't make it cool to jam a big change in local land management down people's throats with no discussion or even warning.

And so, yes, that is a dictatorial approach to running government.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 11, 2015 - 11:30am PT
Yes he has the authority. But normally when a President considers using that authority they will begin by engaging with congress and the local communities and their representatives.

Harry Reid doesn't count?!?!
dirtbag

climber
Jul 11, 2015 - 11:36am PT
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Rdog

climber
the poster formerly known as Ron Anderson

Jul 11, 2015 - 11:16am PT
YOur fairly ignorant of the laws of the Antiquities act I see. I also see your all for FED govt telling you where you can go and what you can do when you get there.. Youll fit in fine when the dollar collapses- in those fema camps.



I'm arguing with an ill informed idiot. Waste of time. Good day!
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 11, 2015 - 11:37am PT
Ron
yer' foamin' at the mouth again.
and even consider the NV Natl Guard and militias to prevent as much as a single sign of any such dictated monument by the feds. No way in hell I would guarantee the safety of either Reid or Obama in NV this am.
In many countries that would be considered a specific threat and possibly treasonous speech. The coppers would be taking you down to the station to ask you what you REALLY meant.

You and Blunty both forget that it's US owned land. The Feds are not taking it from anyone. We get a say in how it's managed through our elected representatives and public meetings; they get the final decision.
By the way, the Nevada National Guard swear their allegiance to the United States. All the way back to 1792
The First Militia Act of 1792 allowed the President to call up the militias in the event of a foreign invasion, in response to attacks by American Indians, and when required for the enforcement of federal law.
Perhaps you forget Eisenhower sending the Alabama Nat'l Guard to integrate Little Rock High School. Or to the Guard to protect civil rights marchers in Selma Alabama. They were enforcing Federal Law against the wishes of state Governors.
Your "militia" has zero legal standing.
10b4me

Social climber
Jul 11, 2015 - 11:58am PT
THe PEOPLE here are PISSED.

probably a very small minority of THE People, are pissed.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jul 11, 2015 - 06:18pm PT
^^^^
And most of that can be fixed simply by giving them their meds.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 11, 2015 - 06:20pm PT
Or waiting until they get their asses shot off by the Feds, because some crackpot with an itchy trigger finger can't control himself. Problem solved, gene pool improved.
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jul 11, 2015 - 06:40pm PT
I getting conflicting messages here on our newest national monument in the State of Nevada. First RDog is apparently a retired Federal employee who worked in Nevada managing federal land; if he's true to his career, why would he oppose this designation and, was he serving in conflict to his beliefs and morals? I note in the legislation that there will be virtually no changes whatsoever to uses on these lands; what's the big deal?

Then, where is all the outcry against designation? From my peanut research, all is good with Nevadan's because this designation will brand the Basin and bring in tourist money in perpetuity.

I am part owner of these public lands, and have been all of my life. Fact is, all of my ancestors are or were owners since before 1864. The US Federal Government retains and has never relinquished sovereign immunity to Federal reservations there since before statehood. So, anyone who refutes this is just plain wrong.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 11, 2015 - 08:07pm PT
dirtbag

climber
Jul 11, 2015 - 08:15pm PT
"Dictating."

Yawn. The battle cry of the redneck brigade.

David Knopp

Trad climber
CA
Jul 12, 2015 - 06:11pm PT
Rdog part of the national monument designation is about protecting a unique landscape which so far has gotten short changed by other designations. Forest Service? BLM? There lands in NV are nice for sure, mostly because so few people use them, but they don't protect whole ecosystems, i.e. the basin and range. most are just the mountains and creeks, not the valleys. And some of the places in the ne w Monument are incredible-Worthington MT... And railroad/garden valley are beautiful places. The way i see it there will be very few restrictions on pre existing private property( of which there is very little). And I'm sure cattle will still be allowed on the ranges there. It is a special part of the Great Basin... Ask Alvin McLane, you know him right?
this just in

climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
Jul 12, 2015 - 08:41pm PT
Haha DMT. You qouted me again almost three months later. Thanks man!
rincon

climber
Coarsegold
Dec 31, 2015 - 01:22pm PT
They haven't given up on this idea....


http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_29232304/mercury-news-editorial?source=infinite-up

"Mercury News editorial: Sierra National Monument makes sense"
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 31, 2015 - 01:31pm PT
Leave it as is. National Forest.

It's fine the way it is.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 31, 2015 - 01:35pm PT
Leave it as is. National Forest.

It's fine the way it is.

Amen! Then again, the Mercury News tends to have a one-size-fits-all land use policy, so consider the source.

I could imagine little worse than Monument status for that marvelous area, into whose vicinity I moved intentionally. Even private development wouldn't ruin it as quickly as NPS regimentation.

John
c wilmot

climber
Dec 31, 2015 - 01:45pm PT
when the National Parks system catches up with the millions of dollars of infrastructure work they have put off due to a lack of funding the US can start to think of adding more places to that agency
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 1, 2016 - 05:12am PT
The retards around here successfully moved more land into wilderness in the White Cloud Mountains.

Anytime you feel yourself thinking that we should let our government close off more access to our public lands and turn it into wilderness or restricted use ask yourself this:

If that area, after all these years of use (and purported overuse), is still pristine enough to qualify to be put into wilderness, wouldn't that be an indication that its been managed pretty good up till now?


JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 1, 2016 - 07:43am PT
^^^^^

The logic is irrefutable, except for this: You're trying to use logic where religion guides the actions.

John
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