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from out where the anecdotes roam
Jun 17, 2018 - 08:41am PT
Credit: hooblie
keeping the lights on
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

Out Of Bed
Jun 21, 2018 - 03:19am PT
Desert tour - by deuce4
Sunday June 17, 2018 3:08am


I didn't read a single post, infact i only read "Edit Reply to Rate your" -- but for Arrogance (so thats how thats spelt) what ever! you kids are all wet, There can be only one, or did you forget? I am the greatest and best and not one of the others here 'sept Jeff, that can hold a head lamp to my 50 years of climbing 5.10 !

Rick A has them
Credit: Rick A
I wish I had a picture,
Credit: grabbed from , Rick A ? i think
Yes indeed Rick A has the pictures.
Years ago, after climbing my route on the right side of the chasm opening,
Romano pointed at the top of a blocky formation that forms the left side, of the start of the Pinnacle, below the Bowl,
saying that after the near chimney sized crack peter'd out, was the easy part of
Swamp Beast.
He was right; The crux was 20 feet lower, still near the crack, so near gear.

At a point where having been forced out of the rare, granite like Gunks crack, onto a classic all white set of ever so climb-able but un-protectable tips sized edges.
You are forced to choose, continue, run-out diagonally 15 to 20 feet, in either direction away from gear, to an edge, & up,
or place gear (back) in the crack & head up into the 60 foot blocky top; an overhanging series of 4 stacked blocks, forming a roof/face to a horizontal to the next overhanging face.

the place I still spend a lot of time dangling from a rope
Credit: Gnome Ofthe Diabase
Sent this Gnarly plug,5.2+
Credit: Gnome Ofthe Diabase

it devastating, really, for the 1st 15 years it was all film. The only way it was worth it was to have, at least quality glass. (Lens). That, with my old school hammer & pin carryng ways, were ill suited for each other. As things went on in the 80s, lots of well tooled photographers were locking down the outdoor sports paying gigs.
It wasn't until I'd found balance and chosen a coast that I tried to play catch up. In the 90s, I was stable enough to collect pictures & notebooks from a few places my travels had taken me. Mostly a trove from a Santa Monica apartment that was 4 blocks from the ocean. I'd left the stuff there as much to have a west coast kit ready to grab and go as it was a way to stake my claim to a comer of a closet & couch/floor space when I was in the neighborhood.

There was an old North Face pack, a red Scramber, in it a full rack, draws, JRat harness + chalk bag, . .

I have to Admit it - I've been sucked in
I have avoided this - never clicking,

( A thread about a egg head?)
Oh how wrong I was!

& this is where Tooths been hangin'? whatz up dood?

The wife has some opinions,
That is the main reason to have not joined in.
She forbids any non-real conversation about no one we will ever meet,
that I assume are real people, that I talk at on the Internet.
You get what she's dealing with so you really can't blame her.

I 'll ask if she has a position? it wouldnt surprise me. . .
come to think about it . . . . ?
She Points out the cars & SUVs too wee see em'

Never see one charging

at -Whole Paycheck,

but we we see the BMW


6/19/18, "Considering a change (ot)::a thread by happiegrrl2

oh happie,!

Stop lionizing the Preserve!
They, use people, and cast them aside. Are they extending you any opportunities, anything for all your loyalty?(beyond "the deal")

I may be wrong, but I know what this sounds like, and it is not new.

There are 3-5 private residences on the Mnt House property. At least 2 of which have had Care Takers positions over the years.

I'm glad to hear that a thing is at least on the horizon. Do not pick you loyalty/love for the Preserve, over your own interests.

Don't let, - "Paradise lost"- 'or feeling as if it is slipping away & things changing, cloud your thinking, and lead you to miss a one time opportunity.

Also Along The Hudson on both sides are aging mansions with In holdings The one(s) I'm intimately familiar with, I'll see if are vacant- has had some unpleasant issues or did? with Sovereign Citizen types, hunting all year long on the grounds, from barns in the the ignored orchards; poaching. So they do not come recommended, but it is a place to ask after, run by a big wig in the Methodist Church Hierarchy,
seems an un-likely fit/ so maybe never mind.

try as I might,

I do 'not-What' for a fortnight . . . .still, though, where else should a Gnome go?

When the scrum in the mind keeps one gnome awake all night?

But for to fight It? i've not the hart ,,, its sunny and warm outside
I almost said Nice, Blessings to all and to all a good night.


When you are as high as you get, well there you have ?
your Apogee
see that you were a Democrat? or had those leanings for sure as I recall you to be one of the strident voices against these stoic old white fools.
I have now left 3 differing comments
I read Krauthammer, regularly, He was succinct to the point and often wrong.
He existed in a hell, in that chair, was in discomfort almost 24/7-
and, I think, that in his heart,he Knew he was paying off a karmic debt from some past life.
I do mourn his rational voice. . .


the opening of a he sucked thread? iirree

so that it is clear I read many of the op-ed and articles he wrote.
Krauthammer was many things, but he was wrong & we have this phook'd in its entirety, world due to him & Cheeeney(a hartless still breathing POS, along with Rumy-ivgot aplan? ? who did not& as if he didn't already have enough blood on his hands from Viet Nam, Wolfsh#t? oh pleez, /Rice/Bush the WaWa
A repukelicant gang, the one that drove the USA down? & you stupid whitesmuchs voted repukelikcant again?
QWe are seeing your heartlessness play out in every action taken to further russian resurgance and neo-nazi plans. . . in

your supposed to be dead, if you get drunk & hang with the anti semites. . .

I could say so much more but the total return of this top of the heap POS & that he was a phaux mouth offensive mouth piece?
god rest his soul , his small, indiscreetly lying to his public, soul.


Me- you do know what I look like, Very short, Lynne's size,& back then,
ripped, and blond, like all good Cali boyz (and wanna be's)

biggish nose, kinda "jewish" looking, the girls always looked & many
liked what they saw. . .my hair was more curly than yours & never as long.

just a desert rat, hanging.

Ive tried to get cosmic to fess-up. he seemed to recognize the day

that the gang, including Mike Paul, sent me and Joe Brooks up 'Loose Lips' (Rip)

Climbing it with Hex's that fell out as you went on...
it was a fighting worth scarfest.

I thought I was going to die on the exit moves way off to the side from some crap belay.

I came down and after changing my shorts, wanted to punch some one - you all just laughed really hard.

so do remember anything like that?

After that I was saved by Gordo & Big Al, who took me along with him, and Kattie Wilkinson. . . .


An Organic natural


Boulder climber
Almost solving the metaphysical mystery
Jun 24, 2018 - 09:07am PT
Wow, so many wonderful images! Thank you all for keeping the Flames alive. Now, where is that Mr Mouse who is our excellent antiquarian? (I can say that, because I am a year older than he.) My studio remodel is almost done: new wiring done last week for the big kiln and new smaller kiln, so now it is just another week or so before I will be making mud pies again. I enjoyed all the photos of everyone, especially nice to see Lynnie looking well and happy and smiling and smartly-dressed. What is that contraption with the fat single tire that Hooblie is riding? I have not seen one out here in Montana, but it probably is not suited for our dirt and gravel roads.

Neebee, I am going to try to call you before I take off for the Winds.

It is good to see everyone still here, even if Mouse is hiding out in his new house. He is probably learning his way around, and will soon dazzle us with more of his photographic images of beauty.

Sport climber
Jun 24, 2018 - 09:17am PT

Words of the month: apokatastasis panton

In some ways Mouse is the twin brother of Walter Benjamin...

from out where the anecdotes roam
Jun 24, 2018 - 10:03am PT
for feralfae's eyes only ;)


Social climber
Jun 24, 2018 - 10:07am PT
hey there say, ... great to hear from you taco-type-wise...

going out for a few hours... hope to hear from you, tele-phone-wise, too!!

hope taco-mouse shows up, here, --
and, can give more of the lay of land, around his area...

happy good day to all...

neat trip pics, there, gnome...
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

Out Of Bed
Jun 24, 2018 - 10:19am PT
NOT JUST ANY PICTURE FROM 1966, one of the last public images of John Harlin,II, taken before the start of his final tragic challenge
Credit: Gnome Ofthe Diabase
& now the post above; what gives?

Marlow? How are you? It is troubling to me that you have been taken by such darkness.
Marlow,Sport climber, OSLO,Jun 24, 2018 - 09:17am PT

Words of the month: apokatastasis panton

In some ways Mouse is the twin brother of Walter Benjamin...
What has over taken you? some very dark images ! just the Words & a tragic name only know to the most obsessive students of nazi-era-Jewish/ Philosophy/History?
A tale of the philosophizer caught in his hopes for utopia when hell was engulfing life itself. His tragic sense of that at the end of an all suffering existence was the ascension to a superior place, he was sadly betray'd as his desperate attempts to flee from Germany and the Nazis led him to Franco's equally brutal fascist Spain where he took his life with a massive dose of morphine

Im not a student of such things, ( darkness,)
I think I gnow all to well the meaning you intend, (?)by both those 2 things that, more so (especially)when placed together in such a way, are trying to hint at
That is Very dark for this thread
This is- very dark for this thread-

Sport climber

Aug 9, 2016 - 11:46am PT

"Now a Dark Age seemed to be passing. For twelve centuries, a small flame of knowledge had been kept smoldering in the monasteries; only now were their minds ready to be kindled. Long ago, during the last age of reason, certain proud thinkers had claimed that valid knowledge was indestructible - that ideas were deathless and truth immortal. But that was true only in the subtlest sense, the abbot thought, and not superficially true at all. There was objective meaning in the world, to be sure: the non-moral logos or design of the Creator, but such meanings were God's and not Man's, until they found an imperfect incarnation, a dark reflection, within the mind and speech and culture of a given human society, which might ascribe values to the meanings so that they became valid in a human sense within the culture. For man was a culture-bearer as well as a soul-bearer, but his cultures were not immortal and they could die with a race or an age, and then human reflections of meaning and human portrayals of truth receded, and truth and meaning resided, unseen, only in the objective logos of Nature and the ineffable Logos of God. Truth could be crucified; but soon, perhaps, a resurrection.

The Memorablia was full of ancient words, ancient formulae, ancient reflections of meaning, detached from minds that had died long ago, when a different sort of society had passed into oblivion. There was little of it that could still be understood. Certain papers seemed as meaningless as a Breviary would seem to a shaman of the nomad tribes. Others retained a certain ornamental beauty or an orderliness that hinted of meaning, as a rosary might suggest a necklace to a nomad."
Please, understand If you need to reach out because of some dark thing that has befallen You, more than just the rise of the darkness in the world,
please expound here in the Flames so that at least we can try to bring you some healing Light

Arête & Center, <br/>
w/ Proud line&#40;Jaw,dropper&#41;  <br/>
+alternates & ...
ArÍte & Center,
w/ Proud line(Jaw,dropper)
+alternates & V finishes (=5'climbs)
Credit: Gnome Ofthe Diabase

Ol' Bit'R Guy
I've never understood The Dead. Either you like it or you don't. I don't. I think it's awful. I grew up in a musical family. I'm a musician. I worked in record stores around LA in my teens and early 20s. I've been to all kinds of concerts from jazz to punk. In the mid 1980s a girl friend took me to see The Dead at Laguna Seca. I had heard what great musicians they were (are) but was hard to take. The tempo changed randomly, they were drifting in and out key (and interest) as they droned on and on. No one seemed to notice or care. The rest of it was pretty cool-Los Lobos rocked, lots of drugs and uninhibited hippy chicks. I went to another show in the East bay that was worse. The sound was horrible, why were so many people taping it and writing down the set list? It seems like if you were a fan you'd want to forget about it. I walked out.

Some had no choice, Given the types of new popular music (at the time for me&many),There were no other, (nicer?) music/sounds that were emanating from any other place that allowed the type of accessibility to the live energy of the give and take that can be felt between audience and The Band.

It happens with other bands & sometimes with this configuration of this band

Just like climbing . . .
As with anything that assaults the sense before it can be internalized as "Moving" " or having the ability to change ones mood, to take one from the composure needed to exist in everyday shades of white on black life, and replace, or break down the blinders and restraint so that the technicolor tie-dye rainbow beauty is revealed, takes full immersion. Some folks take it further, an ultimate leap of faith that some equate to, and so is, akin to a religious awakening.

obligatory drug referance:

[]Where Id put that other barrel? Purple Micro dot[/]
[*]purplesunshine window pane[*]
well? yes there is . . .
there is that. . .
Owsleys product/ recipe was only available

but there is a correlation to climbing

"I Tried Rock climbing It was Hard, I had to do it a few times till I got it, but I was hook'd"

With Some bands For some it was a choice, with the Grateful Dead if the whole thing spoke to you, you had no choice , You were one the bus

I went hard into punk, what it was? again what value? Teen Angst, trying to recoup, a Nihilist stance once one had felt real starvation? What did that noise bring ? beyond getting laid, I would never have put the time in.

when I look back through a lens from a non-traditional, non musical up-bringing I found my way to a whole lot of music. rag time, blues, all Note worthy jazz, experimental Miles Davis, Pat Metheny, Ornette Colman, Billy Cobham, All sounds I searched out from Gd Roots.

Then there is the shear magic, the love for a kindred spirit, in feeling if not indeed. in deed and desire to have, with close traveling friends, a small cell moving swiftly across the country spending enough time at each venue to be safe, and then by extension meet up with thousands of other folks doing a similar pilgramige, and have a simpatico time, leads to magic.

On the off chance that you hit those terrible shows, whole legs of a tour can be remote, a packaged and outta' there, show, and that is still better than most, even if the band misses on all points, we they crowd never disapoint.

All this is brought on by the Tour, I didn't think I'd ever go to another sho.

My family has put up with me now for what has been a long recovery, and this place, this thread a cronical of that recovery is worthy of the emotion this brought, 17=14 and past the double nickle they sent to this show for fathers day, and in the world of Deead Heads no more than a set list is necessary.

1st set:
Sugar Magnolia

Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo

([traditional] (Bob Weir on acoustic guitar) (>)

(John Mayer lead vocals)

Comes a Time
(Oteil Burbridge lead vocals)

(Bob Weir on acoustic guitar)

Bird Song

New Speedway Boogie
> 'Bird Song' reprise

Set 2:
Help on the Way
(John Mayer lead vocals) (>)


Franklin's Tower
(John Mayer lead vocals)

St. Stephen
(with 'William Tell Bridge')

|these 2 together MElt ,in a flash, of that old insanity, i swear as if they knew i was there, was played for for me personally _ crazy but it was a magic moment, The guys singing , what hey are able is what they do, I'll take it.

*!The Eleven
(*live debut by D&C)


Drums +
(with Oteil Burbridge)


Eyes of the World

**Stella Blue*

Sunshine Daydream

One More Saturday Night


but as with all things, it seems, the theory of entropy wins out.
its that the population has found out the secret.
Some folks come just
to gawk at those of us who go to loose our collective minds for three hours of noise bordering on music,
as well as a near assault to all the senses,
not what you want gawkers gawking at when its you. . . .
as well as, that gawking adds to more of that, near assault of all the senses.

There is something to be said for how amazing it is, to see what taking a shjt ton of drugs can produce!

Dwain, I've moved on, it is pointless to hate on you.
Also, I would have to agree with you. stoopid lazy fat gnomezez sitting around contemplating my own self immersion into decrepitude.
Sometimes - friends drop by the overgrown patch of dirt and 'moke me out. You've got a picture.

Other than that the current version of DeadTour, passed from Mass, To NJ & back to Ct so encircling us here, never more than a 90 minute drive to the venues. Each of the venues holding multiple nights, I missed the reason for the visits. it had all been a Fathers Day plan, dropped off a ticket, what true Hedz call a miracle
l for One More Saturday Night 6/16/18, outdoors, (national ball park show)
Which, again, how rude, such a pain to have to go with 20k ohters to park. . .
I'm not able to procure things with names Girl scout Cookies? for reaL?

1st world problems, right there: when the pift, goes poof.. . oh, what then?

I'm still blown away and gnow that it is as effective as screaming into the winds of despair.

there are some deep depths, caused by the turns of life and mistakes made, moments remembered of loss that when the resulting despair, is un-resolved the bitter ness of spirit is palpable.

how to help someone rid themselves of the uselessness one now feels ?

Boulder climber
Almost solving the metaphysical mystery
Jun 29, 2018 - 06:17am PT
Marlow, Yes, perhaps Mouse is reconstituting himself in his new surroundings, settling into some of his former ways, back in the midst of family and the land. "apokatastasis panton" Interesting concept.

Hooblie, wow! I had no idea that this machines even existed. So much for living my quiet simple life in Montana! I do miss a lot of the events, inventions and intrusions of the larger world. But that is a very fun device, and I can see how it could be great fun. Thank you.

Neebee, I WILL call you soon, but must go spend a few days with a friend, Army veteran and RN, climber, all-around marvelous person, as she prepares to leave. Very bad cancer, beyond any further treatment, and I am going so we can reminisce and enjoy many shared memories. Her sons have already arrived. Her doctors give her a month, maybe two, at most. Keep us in your good thoughts. I'll call you when I am settled in one place, either here of at her ranch. I think she is ready to go be with her husband. She is in her 80s. I'll probably need some telephone hugs after the visit.

Gnome, thank you for wonderful images. You guys do a great job to keep the Flames alive so Mouse can find his way back to the warmth of the fire once he is well settled in and feeling on familiar ground again.

Mouse, I know you will see this sometime. I am keeping you in good thoughts and prayers.
I have humming birds and ravens here this morning.

Ice climber
Jun 29, 2018 - 08:03am PT

Don't cry for mfm down inArgentia

Can we just get those instruments tuned up?

'Go to the meadows, go to the garden, go to the woods. Open your eyes!'
-Albert Hofmann


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jun 29, 2018 - 09:18am PT
I talked with Mouse a couple days ago.
He is doing ok.
He is planning on moving back to Merced as soon as possible.
He hasn't been online letely because of internet access.
He says, Hi to all.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

Out Of Bed
Jun 30, 2018 - 06:40pm PT
This clean'd up nice
Credit: Gnome Ofthe Diabase
Cordless Clamberin' - a very soft, short climb,
a very stiff short climber on that short stuff

2,minutes:48seconds, not a bad canned strummed-out riff,

Short Jokes

Ice climber
Jul 2, 2018 - 11:30am PT

Credit: zBrown


from out where the anecdotes roam
Jul 4, 2018 - 09:55pm PT
the ok factor ~ up in the air:

come out, come out mouse ... where ever you are

Social climber
Jul 5, 2018 - 12:06am PT
hey there say, mouse... still need an address...

hope all is well...
prayers and god bless...

man oh man, i bet all the folks miss you, in merced, :(

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 5, 2018 - 12:30am PT
The OG troll!
The OG troll!
Credit: Reilly
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

Out Of Bed
Jul 5, 2018 - 03:19am PT
Where is this? Itz Reilly been bugging me?
Credit: Gnome Ofthe Diabase
oh, & choss from where? Lime stone?
Credit: Gnome Ofthe Diabase
don't freak,grab the pixs for friend A climber named Fan Yang is headed to Norway and is a bit of interest, he crushes..., so it sounds like he is headed for that sport cave? but I know him from, his long hard free, 20+ mile dayz. Those mega-classic, less than, all vertical, all the time, type climbs, now what he calls rest days.
Can I share? any must know about lines?

Ive not seen Uncle Henny! in a hun-red years! He is looking fit, well fed as ever, I dare say!
Credit: Gnome Ofthe Diabase
We were not his favorite relatives.
He liked my mother's sisters' side better, people pleasers,less all`fulff, more meaty. less bitter,They're more Hungarian;It must be for their Ghoulash, or so we all suppose?
looks a bit familial?
Credit: Gnome Ofthe Diabase
Tuning ? recorded, full tour, all song breaks?
snippets strung together of all the starts and stops from '77-
All of the noodling for your listening pleasure?
White noise with squweeks flash-backy strokes of sound from below,
Think I find that, cringe-worthy
& to think of all the time spent not spending time doing, but rather preparing to do. . .
worth a listen on the odder thread @ Robertson Gym, UC Santa Barbara on 2-27-1977

Bachar's influence will eventually be the death of me
from the looks of it sooner than later

The state of quantum flux
Jul 7, 2018 - 04:13am PT


Itís been too long since I have written
And these words unconsummated
As if unspoken are but meaningless
Not deeds but only words
Not action nor inaction
Just representative of my condition

Too many losses
These long quiet loathings
They might harbor something toxic
Like the dismay of feeling useless
Or adrift without a rudder

I used to paddle a canoe
In command of my own course
I picked the currents
Worked the eddies
Put ashore at idyllic beaches
Making beds to nap among soft grasses
The dappling sunlight through the foliage
My only timepiece or connection
To the outside world

Too many days have passed now
Where Iíve reached for that old feeling
Only to come up short
Am I alone now?

And this witching hour engulfs me
Like a blanket of humidity
Or a warm Venusian sunset
As the view of my condition
Clouded and blurring
Sees only my extremities corroding

Decomposition has set in now
Hanging strands of what was sinew
Have stretched beyond all elasticity
And the force we know as gravity
Both merciless and relentless
Has crushed in my amygdalae

Itís been too long since l have written
Now the sprinkler has heard itís timer
And the brain thatís longed for sleep now
Will do whatever it do
As my mind still drifts along


from out where the anecdotes roam
Jul 7, 2018 - 04:17am PT
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jul 7, 2018 - 06:37am PT
If I may suggest, call the Mouse man. His number is at the top of this thread. Talk to him. Thus inspired, post back here.

Gnome Ofthe Diabase

Out Of Bed
Jul 7, 2018 - 06:43am PT
*YES, Please, do Call, then come back & shoot the Breeeze**

in all, 20 times? those dealings there,?
there was not a lot of back & forth. . .
I felt my energy was way off his, it made it uncomfortable, on more than one occasion.

there is a vast gulf & while only a dozen years separate us
those are the Vietnam War years.

The late 60s coming of age in a riot, versus me a suburban hippie wanna be
till i made it back to being naked in beads.

I'm waiting, youall bee good to him!
I'm miles away
& in that not easy -teenagers starting to date phase-

As he has sed to moi, its not my calli {fornification"} any wat

I'm'a gonna' when itz light out there/ so done & done, no pick-up, -that -No answer leave a message- fun... not



1st ya know it will take some writing & re-writing for me to get my thoughts out in a coherent way so bare with me or don't even try It is still a FREE THOUGHT land...... Im a paranoid. . . .like y'all didn't know, so its big for me to be on any list, I know crazy, but I Gone & done singed It, everyone on this board should.
In fact, and I am sorry to say this, It is now past time, there is no way to stop the return to a singularly States Rights, above the rights of the public & the removal of Federal protections.

It is the Women's health rights issue that they are also gunning for.
They are thrilled at all the collateral of value that can be siphoned off. In so targeting public spaces, Lands, museums, schools & eventually, The National Parks, & service,the plan is to enhance entropy through total neglect. This will so be, used & abused, that it will force all these institutions of a free democracy into "privatized" concerns.
Given the coming under supported Federal laws, even without jurisdiction, private lands are already transferring to larger entities, that just fence what they want. Stealing land, by threatening counter suits and years of litigation at huge costs, if the rightful owners won't sell. It is the slow motion train wreck of a once great society, corrupted from the top down, descending into a kleptocracy, the state of most of the rest of the globe's governments....?


Sign IT!

And Some one
(other than a gnome from Connecticut) should go over to Mountain Reject And post this too

Come On!

sign It
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