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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Mar 26, 2015 - 08:05pm PT
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The "nanny state" in North America, Western Europe, and first-World Asia is the only thing that does keep you alive when you fly.
Correct in so many more ways than most people realize. There is a ton of crap involved in safely flying thousands of flights a day.
equipment, personel, training, flight control, runways, maintenance. It's a massive system accomplishing something incredible with a pretty amazing safety record. Created by dedicated proffesionals over decades. Government and regulation is a huge part of all that.
All this with intense market pressure to reduce costs. Do I worry about the market getting too much input into regulation?.. a little.. it has caused deaths before and will again.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 26, 2015 - 08:06pm PT
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Tell that to the Teabaggers. Please. PLEASE.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Mar 26, 2015 - 08:08pm PT
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Well maybe but maybe not very different. Terror is terror.
And happening with aircraft so its on the list.
Planes did not take off by themselves. We say war is not murder
but do say 9-11 was murder. They (the terrorists) say 9-11 was not murder.
Did the passengers on that GermanWings Airbus feel terror?
Historic accounts mention that some Allied sailors trying to shoot down attacking Kamikaze's were rightly terrorized by them.
Right now I'm very glad I do not have to get on a jet.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Mar 26, 2015 - 08:13pm PT
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People in accidental commercial jet crashes feel terror, too.
Of course you can classify the category any way you want to.
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Poloman
Trad climber
Anna, Il
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Mar 26, 2015 - 08:25pm PT
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Just saw them demonstrate how the door lock switch works. If the pilot remembered his code, the copilot had to hold the switch to keep the pilot out. The plane can be flown while the switch is held.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Mar 26, 2015 - 08:28pm PT
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Impossible to tell what's real anymore from the presstitutes but it certainly looks like a really bad day for those poor souls on that plane scattered all over the dirt now....
Unfortunately if somebody wants to kill you, for reasons real or imagined, they likely will. There's not a whole lot we can do about it either other than to be awake an aware of our surroundings. But if the guy driving the bus decides to punch your ticket a bit early... he will.
Lots of things cause people to leave the farm. It's rare but it's a big farm getting bigger every day. Legal unmonitored and over-prescribed psychotropics are popular catalysts these days, other illicit drugs, an entire book of mental illness possibilities, physical brain abnormalities are documented(i.e. the clock tower shooter), maybe the devil plays a part too...
Can't dwell on it though. Maybe hug your kids a little more tight...
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Mar 26, 2015 - 08:31pm PT
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a strictly On Topic guy I stray sometimes. I guess when it's about risk, or when there's a chance for amateur engineering among the professionals?
If I get onto a religion or politics thread, that will be a sad day. :-)
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Mar 26, 2015 - 08:40pm PT
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What a relief that, statistically, the texting teen driver is a bigger danger.
Its just the fascinating fear we are unable to shake, of falling out of the sky. Probably deeply linked to our minkey brain parts and
avoiding falling out of a tree while trying to procure fruit.
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john hansen
climber
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Mar 26, 2015 - 09:17pm PT
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I know those doors are bomb proof, But if the pilot is out side the door yelling to get in , I would try to ram the door with as heavy a cart as you could make. A down hill run.
What the hell, your going down, Maybe try to break thru the walls on either side of the door with a fire extinguisher,, or something..
what's over the door? Fight till the end.
Can't imagine being on the last few minutes of that flight,,
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Mar 26, 2015 - 09:33pm PT
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There is an external code pad that would allow a pilot to enter if in fact the co pilot was unable to open the door. He set the lock in a position that negated the pilots ability to open the door from the outside using his code.
Good design?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 26, 2015 - 09:38pm PT
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It's a good design if your ultimate goal is to prevent bad guys from getting in.
There is no free lunch. If the captain had worn Depends we wouldn't be
having this discussion.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Mar 26, 2015 - 09:46pm PT
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Well that all depends.
So the bad guys "capture" the pilot who had to take a dump and force him to enter the secret code.
It doesn't work.
Is it locked out from the inside
or is the detainee f'ing with the bad guys?
In a good design, the minimal requirement would be that both operators comply in the lockout.
They practice this stuff all the time with nuclear weapons launch drills.
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
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Mar 26, 2015 - 09:51pm PT
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wbraun wrote:
Obviously none of you knew who was on board for this event to be made to happen ......
A friend of mine was supposed to be on the flight, but at the last minute he changed his plans.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Mar 26, 2015 - 10:02pm PT
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Right. I watched the recreation of that one awhile ago.
Essentially a hijacking by a member of the crew.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Mar 26, 2015 - 10:05pm PT
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I'm with Timid TR. Take the high road while the investigation continues. We don't know what we don't know. Somehow, an explanation could emerge and offer some minor reprieve. Horrific, no doubt. Condolences to all of the grieving families who are seriously suffering; I cannot imagine it.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Mar 26, 2015 - 10:28pm PT
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Just retrofit all planes with a bathroom in the cockpit.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Mar 26, 2015 - 10:47pm PT
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A german pilot stated that the protocol is that no one is to be in the cockpit alone. If the pilot leaves, another crew member is supposed to enter.
I wonder how Luftanza is going to deal with that?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 26, 2015 - 11:05pm PT
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"Just retrofit all planes with a bathroom in the cockpit."
That depends on the outcome of the Depends strategy. Studies are required.
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