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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 6, 2015 - 07:16pm PT
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This man posted for help on rc.com, and Roxjox suggested he try over here, but the dude couldn't get his sign in confirmation to work. Sounds like he is seeking some ideas about rigging a pulley system to help lift himself up from bed.
http://rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2649167;page=unread#unread
Maybe a troll, but it;s an interesting conundrum, and one I am sure you all will have fun with. Maybe someone can even make a useful suggestion. I will post a link to this thread on that one.
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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I have never climbed, never even thought of doing so. I am 65 with a tired and broken body. I need a walker to motor around and cannot imagine trying to describe in one sitting all my inabilities.
It seems to me as a group your skill sets and understanding of the body and muscle physics that allow you to climb could be helpful to me.
I want to first focus on one task that is becoming increasingly difficult for me--getting out of bed and upright. Currently I have a lift strap (used in crane hoists) attached to a grab bar close to my bed. The strap is doubled and knotted about every foot leaving a loop at my end that I sleep with over my arm. This allows me to help me roll onto my right side while sleeping and to also hoist myself to a sitting position on the side of the bed where I am able to reach the grab bar and pull myself into a standing position.
I have not found anything in the marketplace that is useful to me given my muscle weakness and atrophy, spasticity, and compromised joints with a generous dose of arthritis from my head down.
I am wondering if my situation could be viewed like a climber only rotated 90'. The point being to source a solution using climbing ropes, carabiners, and any other climbing gear that could assist me exiting my bed in a less painful and more efficient manner.
I don't expect a 'silver bullet' but am hoping someone may have some thoughts as to how I could improve my mechanism for getting out of bed.
Please ask any questions you may have to help clarify for you my situation. Furthermore, should you be aware of another site that might better address my need or allow me to propose my question to a larger audience, please tell me.
Any thoughts or questions are welcome.
Regards, John
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this just in
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Justin Ross from North Fork
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I would think a set of jumars would be handy, but not sure how much strength you have. I'm sure you'll get some answers here.
Good of you to post happie and bring back rox taco gods.
Also, a come along I would think might work. If you have no strength at all, then a winch would work.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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You could use a chest harness that you roll into in the morning.
Assuming you can install an eyebolt in the ceiling, you put a carabiner
and pulley in the eyebolt, and put a loop of climbing rope through the pulley.
On the loop of climbing rope you have a loop knot and carabiner.
You clip the carabiner to your chest harness.
Then pull down on the opposite side of the loop of rope, which pulls up on your chest harness
with a 2x mechanical advantage.
If your grip strength is weak, you could use a miniTraxion pulley
also clipped to your chest harness to make sure you don't fall if
you lose your grip on the rope partway up.
(Although having the rope in a loop configuration should help keep you from hitting the floor).
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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I suspect something could be rigged to help alot. But you would need someone knowledgeable, creative and dedicated working directly with you to find something that worked for your exact situation.
The above is an interesting starting place. Perhaps even motorization might be worth considering. Again. A person rigging this would have to work directly with you to understand you circumstances, capabilities and fine tune perhaps trying different approaches.
I would enjoy working on something like this but you'd have to be in the Reno area.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Check out the 4x4 thread... a come-along rig might help.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Impressed by you ST Dudes tonight. Good karma to you for offering some workable and legitimate suggestions. I was in home medical equipment for 20 years and know the challenges many face.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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A chainfall is very easy
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Ask Donini how he does it. He's the oldest fart around here.
Oh. Unless it's John Stannard...... ;)
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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The PC element of this thread refrains me from everything but:
Yur gonna die?
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couchmaster
climber
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Geese said: "I have not found anything in the marketplace that is useful to me given my muscle weakness and atrophy, spasticity, and compromised joints with a generous dose of arthritis from my head down. "
2 things:
1st) - I would bet you would see a huge improvement in health with some dietary changes. I don't know that for certain as I don't know you or what you have tried so far, but I'd keep an eye on that as #1 things which you CAN buy in the marketplace. (ie, Zone Diet book along with vegtables and fruits)
2nd) Once you get Clints eyebolt in and try a chest harness, rig the PTPP/Chongo wall pulley off it. You don't say what you weight, but if the eyebolt is good you should be. Mark Hudon had a great breakdown with photos explaining it. Just skip th eratcheting part (ascender/minitraxion) and keep the pulleys ropes. I'm with Jim Brennan on both health in general and waving the weights and breathing fresh air. Not sure what you've tried so far, but you need to keep trying to find and fix whatever the heck is wrong with you.
BTW, the symptoms you have also sound like some of the tick borne diseases that are rolling through our population and occasionally killing off a few of us. Check that out, if you have not done so, with a blood test from a savy doctor.
Good luck!
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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He should have this clock.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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John lives in San Diego, and is interested in trying out a hoist (aka hauling system). I just posted this on rockclimbing.com:
It looks like the overall plan should work.
You don't need to buy a new 60m rope (200').
I have extra pieces of rope that are plenty long and strong enough which I can send to you. You are right - it does not need to be light,
and thicker ropes are easier to hold onto when doing the hoist.
The carabiner types don't really matter. Again, I have many oval carabiners which I am not using which I can send with the rope.
I have some spare pulleys, too.
The key component is probably a Petzl miniTraxion pulley which has a cam that makes the hoist go up but not down (if you were to let go).
And the other key is the chest harness, but there are many options for this. Something like a soft wide seat from a swingset.
I live in northern California, but we can probably locate a few climbers in San Diego to help try out rigging ideas with you.
So a fairly simple setup would be to have an eyebolt in the ceiling, an oval biner on it, and fix one end of the rope to that biner.
The rope goes down and through a Petzl miniTraxion on his chest harness,
then back up to a pulley in the eyebolt biner.
Then back down as a free end which he pulls down on to haul his chest up.
Having the miniTraxion on his chest harness makes it possible for him
to release its cam.
Even better might be a Petzl GriGri instead of the miniTraxion?
Anybody in the San Diego area want to help him try out something like this?
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Dude,
No offense but climbers aren't experts on this. Any climbing rig or come-along needs to be re-rigged and offers limited mechanical advantage or range. Look at the chainfall hoist above. The ratio's are like 16:1 and go up and down. Don't reinvent the wheel.
I'm a builder and have studied Universal Design for all ages and abilities. A cheap, harbor freight chainfall costs $49.99. Easy as pie.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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I like the chainfall hoist idea, too:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
It goes both directions and easily operates with one hand.
Like Flip Flop said, it's way better than doing it with climbing gear.
(Though you still need a chest harness or equivalent to attach yourself to the system).
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Awww. Kinda stoked to be backed up by CC. Things work great.
Or even easier:Pushbutton
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Strange, when I was in the hospital in the spinal unit there were three types of special beds,
All had slight variations one had a swivel that rotated and locked in place. Once locked then the part of the bed that moved could be adjusted, into a vertical position. No grabbing anything. As many who have compromised health and strength do , have you considered a recliner chair that assists in standing up Instead of a flat bed?
Um since it is the way this thread is going,& works by remote push button ,UP, Down, Stop or on auto. with a garage door style remote.
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jwcwilly
climber
San Diego, CA
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Just received an email from the web guards saying I could sign on now. Thanks to all who contributed.
Already have a chain hoist. Rated 10,000lbs on an overhead track. It's holding my Peterbilt backup engine. Next to it is my 1 ton '89 Suburban with a 5000lb rated front-end winch. All of this is in my 40' x 40' garage that has a beast of a commercial garage door with a monstrous old electric chain-drive opener and a chain-hoist backup. Wifey is out putting some miles on the rig as I write.
I think I need to add considerable information about myself so those of you interested may gain a better understanding of my situation. Communicating the details is difficult, not because I mind talking about it, because for some it's foreign territory and understanding is difficult. Others I know have been there, done that. Some of you worse. Also, my brain is compromised and it causes issues with my communication.
Living near the beach in San Diego I always sleep with a window open. For the last year and into the future my wife and I do a Paleo style diet. Essentially no dairy, grains (1/3 cup of oat bran daily--hey I'm old and crippled), sugar, potatoes, canned foods, and some other things I can't think of right now. It's really a simple diet and you really don't give up much. Yes I cheat a little(?)--1 cup of coffee with honey, an occasional cigar, every so often some sippin' whiskey and just one or two more weaknesses. Mostly fruits, vegetables, meats, nuts/seeds, kale shakes, and eggs, lots of eggs.
Statistics: 65 years old -- 6'3" -- 210lbs (trying for 190)
I do fiddle around with some light weights. Currently convalescing from f-ing my back a few days ago. I would go to a gym if it were feasible. I like gyms. I've been in and out of them since I was 14. I can do things in a gym that really help. It grinds me that I can't go. I have not given up. One day I will get back.
Here is a quick outline of the injuries/disabilities. I'll flesh out details later.
1) Spinal cord injury in 1968 playing college football. About C4. 2) Fractured skull in 1988. 3) 2001 I fell at work and suffered a concussion. In and of itself not a big deal. I've had many over my life including my broken head. This one was significant in that it pushed me over the edge into TBI or ABI. 4) Fractured vertebrae and busted ribs in 2001. 5) Broken arm about 2007. Top of the humerus so it screwed the whole shoulder. 6) 2008 paralyzed one entire arm and shoulder (arm and shoulder eventually recovered)..........I think that's it. Some seem rather innocuous but they had significant knock-on effects. There are other issues that are secondary to some of the injuries but we'll get to that later.
There is much more to say to complete this but my brain is getting fatigued. I'll continue this in another post another time.
Thanks everyone.
Regards, John
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couchmaster
climber
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Don't mean to follow Jim B around an parrot what he says cause it's so on the money. You sound like you eat healthier than the rest of us. Damn. But what is TBI or ABI?
John, there are a lot of threads on these damned tick borne diseases which cause things that mimic your issues (ie, your symptoms on the money), start here with this link, then google search. It's so common and the new versions (of which there are several) are not even testable in many cases. You don't get the bulls-eye or rash now. http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2055633&tn=0&mr=0
BTW, the ticks I'm use to seeing are bigish damned things that get bigger as they suck blood. I once peeled 8 off in the shower after a tip out, 2 were getting deep enough to do the match thing (I've since learned that Vaseline smeared over the MFers works better). However, the deer ticks they are discussing are small, closer to the size of a pencil lead. Nearly invisible.
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