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crankster

Trad climber
Mar 5, 2015 - 03:48pm PT
Clearly, the President needs to check in with the Supertopo foreign policy experts. Those military brass just don't have enough experience, they need advice from the aging rock climber crowd.

This is true
Bush is 100% responsible for the formation of ISIS
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Mar 5, 2015 - 03:54pm PT
Everything ever uttered about Iran building a Nuclear Bomb has been speculation, kind of like the same speculation that Bush said about Iraq having WMD

The head of State of Iran said that Iran is forbidden to build a bomb by decree of a fatwa against it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

As the head of state of Iran, Khamenei is considered the most powerful political authority in Iran.[5][6]
Like Ruhollah Khomeini, Ali Khamenei has also issued a fatwa saying the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons is forbidden under Islam


Israel intel says that Iran isn't even trying to build the bomb, But the Neo-Con Nytanyahu doesn't care about facts, just like Bush.

"Mossad contradicted Netanyahu on Iran nuclear programme"
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/leaks-netanyahu-misled-iran-nuclear-programme-guardian-iran-nuclear-speech-2012-150218165622065.html
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 5, 2015 - 04:47pm PT
Everything ever uttered about Iran building a Nuclear Bomb has been speculation

So now you don't believe Hillary, Kerry, or Obama?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Mar 5, 2015 - 04:57pm PT
I believe facts
and I'm not sure what everyone has said or believe

but agreed with the below
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 5, 2015 - 05:00pm PT
All I'm sayin' is that Kerry and Obama just might have access to some info
you and I aren't privy to, dontchya think? I'm not sayin' it's as good as
the info Bush had that he conned all those Dems into signing off on but
I hope it is.
feynman

Trad climber
chossberta
Mar 5, 2015 - 08:37pm PT
A link to the last time the same situation came up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera

Also adds a bit of context to the 90's gulf wars...
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Mar 6, 2015 - 06:14am PT
Achieve caliphate!

All us supetopo non Muslims are going to be cleared
from this world...
Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Mar 6, 2015 - 07:45am PT
Idiots taking up the cross for their Roman overlord. What a bunch of butt tunnels.
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2015 - 10:24am PT
The US has already been successful intervening in India, Pakistan and N. Korea...

PER QUOTE:
"You can't be serious with this statement. We have failed repeatedly and abysmally in every respect with regard to limiting nukes in India, Pakistan and N. Korea."

Satire clearly escapes you? Regarding India and the CIA's total lack of knowledge that they had a bomb until the Indians set both it, and the worlds seismic monitors off. Director of the CIA George Tenet admitted to utter and total ignorance from the US intelligence community. Quoted verbatum from the prologue on Page 8, James Risens book State of War : "And in May 1989, when the CIA was caught by surprise by India's testing of a nuclear bomb, Tenet had to deal with the consequences of the first major intelligence failure to occur on his watch. As soon as the news broke, Tenet talked by phone with Senator Richard C. Shelby, the wily Alabama Republican who was the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
"George, what happened?" Shelby asked.
"Senator," Tenet replied, "we didn't have a clue." "

So that was India. We knew nothing of it in advance. Of course, you are free to google what at the time the US felt were successful negotiations in advance to stop both the Pakistanis and the North Koreans from achieving the same. Only in retrospect did we learn that what we perceived were our brilliance and amazing wins in negotiations were in fact only short term cover to a total and utter failure.

We are 1 for 4 at this point. Ukraine was talked into returning the Russian nuc's to them by the Bush administration. Much to their current chargrine I would imagine.

Whereas the Israelis currently are 2 wins and 0 losses. Win in Iraq. Win in Syria. But of course, there would be no reason to expect that the Israelis would be any better at this game than we are. (HEY, THAT LAST ONE WAS ALSO A SATIRICAL STATEMENT OK?)

Well, except for the fact that they have been repeatedly alerting us to gaps in what we perceive Iran has done VS what we think they have done. There is that of course. (NOT A SATIRICAL STATEMENT

I hope that helps some of you.

For anyone wanting more info on what douchbags the Americans are to the Iranians or how disliked we are (we are still The Great Satan to them, as funny as that might sound when put into a comedy script). I read these Iranian news sites regularly and would suggest the same to you.

http://www.presstv.ir/

http://english.farsnews.com/

Be aware that they only publish the negative things about both the US and Israel, most are true, but they have copied word for word off the Onion before without attribution belive the story was true, AND NOT SATIRE. I guess some of us share that with them:-)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 8, 2015 - 10:50am PT
Wow, hindsight is sooooo convenient when necessary, and lacking when needed.

All of these problem countries were chopped up BITD by colonialists. India/Pakistan, Iran/Iraq, Jordan, Zimbabwe, etc...

The 'successful' countries were governed by moderate leaders, that Netanyahu pointed out, were governed in a manner that was friendly to the free world. They were calm and co-habitable.

Other countries fell into despotism. They were ruled by tyrants who would not accept the 'world view' of peace. It was their way or nothing.

That's what Saddam and his sons did not understand, yet Ghaddafi did, as well as el-Sisi of Egypt, and the KIng of Jordan.

Netanyahu is a student and warrior in this fight. He knows these people, as well as which ones can and cannot be trusted. Which ones are capable of peace, and which ones will never settle for peace.

Iran, more specifically the leaders in Iran, are the problem. They are the festering wound in the Middle East. The sooner they are assassinated or removed, the better. It will save numerous lives.

Iran is the root of terrorism and conflict in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and even South America.

What the Middle East/US/Allies need to decide is who will take control of the country once my plan is carried out. The people of Iran are quite moderate, they are begging for a moderate leader.

Bullets to heads of the Mullahs.....
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - May 5, 2015 - 03:28pm PT
Just read an excellent article on this subject I want to share as it is both worthy of discussion and fits into the threads subject matter. I would like to see if any Supertopians can rebut the actual facts of it. I almost blew it off due to what I consider a inflammatory title, but after reading it I'm glad that I didn't. Full version quoted although there are a lot of links in the article that bolster the guys case if anyone wants to follow them to work up their rebuttal: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/05/the_obama_deceit_doctrine.html

" May 5, 2015
The Obama Deceit Doctrine
By Ed Lasky

Americans (at least those paying any attention) know that Barack Obama routinely lies to fulfill the one promise he has not broken: to “fundamentally transform America.” But what he has done to empower Iran and pave its way to develop nuclear weapons trumps even that boastful claim: Obama wants to, and probably will, fundamentally transform the world.

When he campaigned in 2008 Barack Obama dismissed concerns over Iran: it is just a “tiny” country that doesn’t pose a threat to us the way the Soviet Union did during the Cold War. This was absurd. Singapore is tiny; Andorra is tiny; the Vatican is tiny; Iran is not tiny. There are at least 80 million Iranians and the nation itself sprawls over key geographic territory (being able to project its power over important oil-producing nations and shipping lanes; its warm weather ports have always been a tempting target for the Russians).

But then again, Obama is a geographically challenged president (there are not 57 states in America , Hawaii is not in Asia; they don’t speak Austrian in Austria; Illinois is closer to Kentucky (they share a border) than Arkansas (they do not share a border). Iran has also been consistently held to be the number one terror-sponsoring nation in the world, responsible through its proxies, such as Hezb’allah and Shiite militias in Iraq for the deaths and injuries of thousands of Americans. Given the economics of terrorism, violence against America can be done on the cheap, so a comparison between America’s military budget and Iran’s, something Obama is wont to do, is meaningless.

Obama’s political handlers quickly realized the gaffe about Iran in 2008 had to be erased from memory. Barack Obama shifted his tone: declaring he would do “everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Everything. He periodically repeated this promise when he thought it could pay political benefits to him.

Well…words are cheap (like terrorism).

Once he became president, the deceitfulness of his promise became clearer -- especially in his second term when he reminded us he would never be on a ballot again and when he could go Bulworth and do whatever he wants as president .

Indeed, deceitfulness has become his standard operating procedure-especially when it comes to helping the mullahs of Iran-who hate America with more loathing than even Israel-get nuclear weapons.

Michael Doran recently wrote in his superb “Obama’s Secret Iran Strategy” that Barack Obama, from the inception of his presidency, pursued “détente” with Iran. All else, especially allies in the region, were sacrificed to this goal. Ben Rhodes, Obama’s foreign policy guru (quite a role for a failed short-story writer with zero diplomatic or national security experience) likened an Iranian nuclear deal to the passage of ObamaCare:

This is probably the biggest thing President Obama will do in his second term on foreign policy. This is healthcare for us, just to put it in context.

As Rick Richman wrote, Obama is using some of the tactics employed to pass ObamaCare to pass an Iran deal. Among those tactics is a resolute refusal to allow Congressmen (as well as the rest of America) to know any details of the deal. Shades of “have to pass the bill to know what is in it” -- this, from the administration that declared it would be the most transparent in history. The deal with the mullahs would be presented as a fait accompli.

But that tactic would be mild compared to the deceit that would follow.

Very early in his presidency, the White House had information that Iran had been operating a secret underground nuclear plant. The White House kept this secret for them for months until “Mr. Obama’s hand was forced” (as the New York Times reported) when the Iranians realized other western intelligence sources had this information and disclosed it themselves. The White House recently engaged in the same practice when it cast doubt on reports of yet another secret Iran nuclear facility.

To backtrack, there is a group of nations called the P5+1 (the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, plus Germany) that has been negotiating with Iran. The Joint Plan of Action (JPOA) was the first step taken. This was purportedly a way to freeze the Iranians’ nuclear work while negotiations continued on a more comprehensive deal.

Barack Obama and John Kerry have repeatedly declared that the JPOA has succeeded and the nuclear program has been frozen. This is deceitful.

One key provision of the JPOA was that any enriched uranium that Iran produced after the JPOA was signed had to be chemically converted to a less dangerous form. This was not done. Furthermore, while Obama claimed, “we have halted the progress of the nuclear program” he was wrong. Iran’s centrifuges were allowed to continue to spin as rapidly and repeatedly as Obama spun the “success” of his deal with Iran. He even repeated the claim in a State of the Union Address, during which he also claimed that “unprecedented inspections” under the JPOA had “helped the world verify every day that Iran is not building a bomb” and won some more Pinocchios to add to his burgeoning collection from Glenn Kessler, the fact-checker at the Washington Post.

This is just one example of how the White House seems to be working in tandem with the mullahs to suppress evidence of their cheating. This deceitfulness began early, buttressing Doran’s view that there was always a secret plan to appease Iran.

Barack Obama has repeatedly claimed that Iran has abided by all the terms of the JPOA (Obama: ”Iran has met all its obligations”). Just as repeatedly, the Iranians have violated the terms of the JPOA. As Michael Makovsky writes in the Weekly Standard (Iran’s Cheating: Can’t Trust, Can’t Verify):

In the past year alone Iran has violated its international agreements at least three times. First, even though the interim Joint Plan of Action (JPOA) prohibited Iran from enriching uranium in any centrifuges that were not in use at the time the deal went into effect in January 2014, last November the IAEA caught Iran operating a new centrifuge—worse still, it was an advanced IR-5 model. Second, the JPOA required Iran to process any low-enriched uranium it produced during the deal’s term from the gaseous form used for enrichment into a solid that can be used as reactor fuel, so that it would not be readily available for further enrichment and potential breakout. As of February 2015, Iran had an excess of some 300 kilograms of low-enriched uranium, in violation of the deal’s terms. Third, in parallel to the JPOA, the IAEA and Iran signed a Framework for Cooperation under which Iran agreed to answer outstanding IAEA concerns about the possible military dimensions of its nuclear program. Iran answered only one question to the IAEA’s satisfaction and, for the past six months, has been stonewalling on the rest. This recent record of cheating, while Iran was negotiating a comprehensive arrangement and thus incentivized to be good, bodes poorly for the future under a new accord.

The White House routinely dismisses evidence of Iranian cheating.

When Iran was caught testing an advanced centrifuge (a violation under the JPOA), the White House said it was just a “mistake” by some low-level employee, as if some Iranian scientist tripped and accidentally injected UF6 into an advanced IR-5 centrifuge, as a friend sarcastically wrote. The excuse beggars belief, especially since it was not Iran spinning but the American president.

Is the White House doing more than just serving as a defense lawyer for the mullahs?

Reuters recently reported that Iran has continued to actively procure equipment for its nuclear program but that member states seem to have halted reporting these violations to avoid “undermining the delicate nuclear talks.” Is this a deceitful way to aiding and abetting the Iranian regime by actively suppressing evidence that Iran has continued to develop its supposedly frozen nuclear program?

Isn’t suppressing information that casts aspersions on Iran a key part of the Obama doctrine? Tom Jocelyn speculates the White House refuses to release documents found in the Bin Laden raid because they would show Iranian ties to Al Qaeda. Iran and its proxy Hezb’allah were quietly removed from a list of terrorism threats this past February by Obama’s Director of National Intelligence. Iran’s role in the genocide occurring in Syria is never mentioned. Iran’s nefarious role South of the Border is complacently dismissed, and its violating of a wide range of other agreements is dismissed as a non-factor in any nuclear deal because a nuclear deal is distinct from other deals in being “aspirational” ((http://www.c-span.org/video/?325740-1/state-department-briefing-at the 5:20 mark) -- whatever that means. Does the White House believe any of this nonsense?

For years, the administration has been claiming the mullahs can be trusted because their Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, issued a fatwa forbidding the development of nuclear weapons. As Scott Johnson writes at PowerLine, the supposed fatwa is a hoax. Yigal Carmon of the well-regarded Middle East Research Institute has investigated and reports, “There is no such fatwa. It is a lie from the Iranians, a deception, and it is tragic that President Obama has endorsed it.”

It does not exist and, even if it did, it could be revoked on a moment’s notice. Experts have looked for the supposed fatwa and it is a myth. But Obama and Kerry continue to peddle it. Again, the Deceit Doctrine in action.

But that is not the only myth they are peddling.

The White House apparently is promoting an Iranian Disinformation Claim, Hassan Dai recently wrote in the Iranian American Forum:

Proponents of the nuclear deal with Iran, including those within the U. S. government, have repeatedly argued that pressing Iran’s dictatorial regime to give up its nuclear program completely is futile, because the enrichment of uranium is wildly popular with the Iranian people. Hassan Dai explains that the deal’s supporters have been snookered:

This claim [about the program’s popularity] is part of the Iranian regime’s disinformation campaign, which started in 2003 and includes a total ban on opposing the program, jailing the critics, holding state-organized rallies in support of the program, and fabricating public-opinion polls in Iran for a U.S. audience. The majority of these polls are conducted by a Tehran-based center tied to the Iranian security forces. These polls are publicized and promoted by pro-Tehran groups in Washington, many of them close allies of the Obama administration. . . .

The claim that the majority of the Iranian people support the regime’s nuclear program, or that this program—largely unknown to the vast majority of Iranian—has become an issue of national pride, as well as the ridiculous allegation that Iranians “prefer to forgo an agreement and muddle through under existing sanctions rather than accept the halt to enrichment,” are baseless.

White House officials know a thing or two about disinformation.

Ever since Hassan Rouhani was elected President of Iran, the administration has promoted the view that he was a moderate that could be trusted. Both are false claims. He is not a moderate and he has boasted of successfully lying and deceiving the West in the past about the Iranian nuclear program. More importantly, he is a figurehead, a front man, for the distinctly non-moderate Supreme Leader. Even this White House could not burnish Khamenei’s image, so they just ignore his role and deceive Americans into believing Rouhani rules Iran.

The disinformation does not stop there.

For example, for years they have reassured Americans that Iran was not even close to having enough enriched uranium for a nuclear bomb. However, Energy Secretary Moniz recently acknowledged that the White House has known for years that Iran was far closer to this point than officials, including the president, had been publicly stating.

Eli Lake writes in Bloomberg News:

When Obama began his second term in 2013, he sang a different tune. He emphasized that Iran was more than a year away from a nuclear bomb, without mentioning that his intelligence community believed it was only two to three months away from making enough fuel for one, long considered the most challenging task in building a weapon. Today Obama emphasizes that Iran is only two to three months away from acquiring enough fuel for a bomb, creating a sense of urgency for his Iran agreement.

Back in 2013, when Congress was weighing new sanctions on Iran and Obama was pushing for more diplomacy, his interest was in tamping down that sense of urgency. On the eve of a visit to Israel, Obama told Israel's Channel Two, "Right now, we think it would take over a year or so for Iran to actually develop a nuclear weapon, but obviously we don’t want to cut it too close."

What is obvious is that Obama and his team have been deceitful.

White House officials have not just been deceitful to Americans. They take pride in having been deceitful to one of America’s closest allies, Israel. White House officials somewhat notoriously promised the Israelis they would deliver a good nuclear Iran deal if only the Israelis held off on attacking Iranian nuclear infrastructure -- and then turned around and publicly boasted about having sandbagged Netanyahu, whom they labeled a chickens**t coward for believing them . That must mark a new low in American history: openly boasting of successfully deceiving one of our closest allies facing the prospect of another Holocaust.

Perhaps the most recent example of deceit was Obama declaring that a “historic” agreement has been reached with Iran over its nuclear program. Obama stated that the agreement would impose rigorous verification programs on the Iranian nuclear program (including searches on military bases), would permit only a phased removal of sanctions on Iran, and would contain snapback provisions that would automatically re-impose sanctions if the Iranians were found cheating (of course, the White House turns a blind eye to cheating anyway). The Iranians have, as has been widely reported, denied any of these provisions were part of the agreement, as have the Russians. In fact, there is no deal-as even John Kerry admitted this week. So Obama’s spiking of the football was not just premature but apparently a fabrication to derail Congressional actions on Iran. It was a faux “deal.” This is deceit.

So the Obama Doctrine has been uncovered and can be summarized in one word: deceive."

couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 12, 2015 - 08:16am PT


Wow. No rebuttals? Discourse shut down for a month.

couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 12, 2015 - 08:17am PT

Here's an interesting adjunct to this line of thought although some folks might find it strange that Jews would not want to be wiped off the planet, I don't at all.

"une 9, 2015
The Day I RAN from Left to Right
By Ruth Lewis

Any ‘right-minded’ person would consider me far-left of center. This is certain. In fact, of all my left-leaning friends I am perhaps the one that most defends the political establishment, is amongst the most active and outspoken and arguably, argumentative. I have supported left-leaning and liberal NGOs for a good portion of my adult life both financially, when possible, and with quiet leadership and pro-bono professional advisement.

I believe in supporting causes that cause movement for people to attain greater political freedoms, enhanced human dignity, security and protection of minority rights, credible access to economic equality, education, and housing.

As regards the Israel Palestine conflict I have always supported a two-state solution despite my extreme opposition to Islamic violence and sharia law. I have questioned the lack of elections in the Palestinian Authority for over 6 years now.

Yet, while my positions and the way in which I live my life are aligned with liberal principles recently I ran from their unwavering dogma as regards the breaking Israel news of the Western capitulation and acquiescence to Iran’s pursuit of nuclear energy, enriched uranium, and weaponized missile technology.

This threat is real and palpable.

Prime Minister Netanyahu, who has never been my candidate of choice for the role, has continued to speak out against the deal as not only a dangerous threat to Israel, but to the world. On security, I trust the man. He has access to information I cannot begin to imagine. One thing we have learned in the most egregious and gruesome of ways: when someone says they want to kill the Jews -- believe him or her. They mean it.

I have not abandoned my liberal outlooks and perspectives, my support for causes and organizations, my hope that people and governments can be more tolerant -- even appreciative -- of each other. But as I ran the other day--from left to right--a gruesome nightmare appeared before my eyes -- the rainbow streaks and lines before my eyes became blurred, my breath short and labored, my brow perspired, my legs slow and tired, my mind awake, aware, and very, very scared.

In years past I have supported Greenpeace and The Sierra Club, gay rights (I am heterosexual) and supported local agriculture efforts worldwide. I have been vegetarian for more than 12 years to stem animal cruelty and industrial farming practices. I supported the efforts worldwide against the arms race and for cures for cancer and AIDS while a senior in high school. I believe anyone should be able to marry and anyone should be able share their sexual persuasion openly and worship the God or deity of their choice.

But Iran encourages murder. Genocide, actually.

Iran openly and excitedly calls the destruction of the Jewish people as “non-negotiable”. Ayatollahs--grand leaders of Iran’s despotic theocracy -- opine that it is not only their intention to commit genocide but their right and obligation; for all Iranians. How is this tolerated?

Could any Israeli politician echo such statements about any Arab or Muslim state?

See, I learned about the Holocaust when I was younger. From a very tender, young age. Not just in school but from my grandparents. Of four grandparents, three were survivors. All of them spoke about their experiences. One got out of Europe prior and returned to fight them on the battlefields of Europe and North Africa. My mind, young and adult could never fathom such: the painstaking effort, the hate, the resources, the horror, the not fighting back. All of it.

And, yet in one tiny atomic reaction multiplied exponentially it can all happen again.

The same people steadfast against nuclear proliferation who stood side by side with me in high school now have no problem aiding and abetting and capitulating to Iran. We all thought with North Korea this would work. Can we say: epic fail?

And I also have my own fault lines. So I ran. I know what is next: after a “deal” with Iran the political push will begin to require Israel to allow IAEA inspectors.

If Iran is “complying,” Israel must.

On these points my leftist-liberal family members (beside two!), friends, circles, professional organizations and alliances, and essentially every single person I know is: silent.

The silence we said would “Never Again” occur.

The silence we said was appalling: “How could they?!”

The silence we said was: “Institutionalized. Political. Anti-Semitic. Economic. Strategic!”

And I will not be silent. So I ran from left to right; on this matter.

I have traded a barrage of calls and emails with my two right-of-center family members.

I have run to speak with and connect with organizations who will not capitulate to this horror.

Because when I said “Never Again!” all these years: I meant it.

I cannot sit idly by while my leftist-liberal cohorts and friends passively and flaccidly acquiesce to an agenda that threatens my existence, to a reality that could make the ovens of Auschwitz and Birkenau look like tinder for a Sunday BBQ.

The only question now is whether the the Israel Defense Forces will initiate what could become an Israel-Iran War: larger, wider, more dangerous and deadly conflict than Israel and the world has seen in half a century. A much larger world involvement due to “alliances and interests” fills me with fear: for the safety of Jews in Israel, the safety of Jews worldwide.

I stand by my support for liberal causes, my liberal views, my liberal outlook on life in my personal “daled amos”, in business, in politics, in the United States, in Israel.

I will not and cannot stand with the liberal establishment in their promotion of a vile, vicious, suicidal enemy seeking my annihilation.

It’s like combining the Japanese Kamikazes with Hitler’s Jewish Obsession with Kim Jong Un’s nuclear arsenal.

It doesn’t make sense.

But my sprint does.

The day I ran I recall feeling a consciousness of intent and purpose I have not felt in ages.

Today, as we mourn and remember Yom HaShoah, Holocaust Memorial Day, as we continue the rampant repetition of that famous slogan I will be a voice from that void,

“Never Again” also means:

“Not Now!”

"

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/06/the_day_i_ran_from_left_to_right.html
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2016 - 07:04am PT

Todays news: White house admits the manipulation of left leaning journalists and telling lies about Iran. So Netanyahu was telling the truth, and our President and white house folks were lieing about the Iran deal to get it passed through congress. Hope and change baby.


http://nypost.com/2016/05/05/playing-the-press-and-the-public-for-chumps-to-sell-the-iran-deal/
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
May 7, 2016 - 07:21am PT
WBraun

climber
May 7, 2016 - 07:22am PT
Netanyahu was telling the truth

He's the biggest criminal terrorist on the planet bar none!

And these morons believe all the lies that come out of this aszholes mouth.

Obama has been fighting this aszhole off for years.

60% of the Israel citizens don't like him either.

If you people really knew what this aszhole Netanyahu has been doing all over the planet all these years you would immediately want to take him out.

But he's protected by his criminal people in the US media, Congress, Senate, and Pentagon ......
WBraun

climber
May 7, 2016 - 08:00am PT
And meanwhile you stupid Americans keep supporting this huge criminal terrorist to the tune of Billions of US taxpayer dollars every year.

You people are insane .....
ecdh

climber
the east
May 7, 2016 - 04:34pm PT
ive worked in and with Iran for 17 years, across various projects, 3 presidents and from before the hubbub of what became the current standpoint towards islam (and all that comes with it).
i was there when 9/11 happened and have been to all its borders, and live in a country with a very odd stance on the place. i go there to climb and work.

anyway,

Irans is easily the most misunderstood significant player on the world stage. we have a better angle of N korea.
iran and 'eye-ran' are not the same places.

but we all know that.

what almost always escapes attention is the US's real relation with iran - its actually surprisingly good. whilst the media gets all flustered and the banks acts as terror groups, remarkable things go on - both good and maybe-less-so - that are either denied coverage or distorted in reporting.

watch and see.
WBraun

climber
May 7, 2016 - 05:18pm PT
100% correct ^^^^^
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
May 8, 2016 - 04:48am PT
Thank you for your insight on Iran.

People forget that we were complicit in the butchery of many of their people by the Shaw.

The Iran Deal was a double, 3 Stooges slap across Bibi's and King Saman's face by our Prez...good.
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