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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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this place will accept those climbers who want that car next to em!
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chill
climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
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the deeply underground Utah gay scene
Not that underground. Remember Sen. Larry Craig? He had to hold a press conference to assert that he was, in fact, a manly hetero.
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c wilmot
climber
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Larry Craig just has a "wide stance" while sitting on the john...and a spastic leg issue...
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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the deeply underground Utah gay scene
Not that underground. Remember Sen. Larry Craig? He had to hold a press conference to assert that he was, in fact, a manly hetero.
Hey, don't burden us Utards with Larry Craig. He was from Idaho.
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crankster
Trad climber
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You don't really start producing immense quantities of testosterone until you climb outdoors.
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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I agree that climbers need to be more sensitive to environmental issues, and even how it appears whether or not there is actually impact. It was a poor decision.
However, the labeling and homophobia are uncalled for. Jeff Pedersen has done a lot for climbing in Utah. In addition to establishing hard routes (both sport and trad) he really extended himself to find financing and build quality gyms. He's created a nice, family-friendly environment and simply the best training facility around. He conducts himself with the utmost integrity and is always friendly and encouraging. I'm lucky to be able to climb there with people like Jonny Woodward, Steve Petro, John Bald, Merrill Bitter, Gordon Douglass, Doug Heinrich -- hardly climbers that need to "go outside to find their testosterone."
Unlike California, we have winter. We enjoy climbing and the gym give us a good opportunity for climbing, camaraderie, training, and just good fun. Why all the hate?
I wish the moderators of this site had less tolerance for bigotry. The comments about "gay" are completely inappropriate. Scrubbing Bubbles what are you -- 12? Comments about race, ethnicity, sex, or sexual orientation are not funny, and could be hurtful. If we could rid Supertopo of those who insist on making these comments it would be a much more enjoyable place.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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I find the word "gym" in the thread superfluous, but "some" essential. Some climbers act as if they're irredeemable. As someone very old in the tooth as a trad climber, who happens to enjoy gym climbing, too, I've seen enough boorish behavior outdoors long before gyms hit the scene.
I just hope that calling attention to inappropriate behavior (and avoiding our tendency to paint with a mile-wide brush), we can create sufficient moral suasion to cause those who use the outdoors to act with care for the rock resource and the others who desire to use it.
John
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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I've seen enough boorish behavior outdoors long before gyms hit the scene.
second that!
Unlike California, we have winter
we get a little winter!
However, the labeling and homophobia are uncalled for. Jeff Pedersen has done a lot for climbing in Utah
did you forget what forum your at? Supertopo old grumpy people post here so much Chris Mac has big problem with it..
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Paul Martzen
Trad climber
Fresno
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I am still trying to figure out what the OP outrage was about. Is it the car parked next to the boulder or the person climbing on the boulder or that the boulder is blocking the view, or that boulderers are using crash pads, or????
Outrage tells us that you think something is important, but it does not specify what you think is important. I would appreciate an attempt at a clear explanation in the OP. BVB, would you please edit the OP and better explain what you find offensive about these photos.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Who you callin old and grumpy, you young whippersnapper? lol!
I am still trying to figure out what the OP outrage was about. Is it the car parked next to the boulder or the person climbing on the boulder or that the boulder is blocking the view, or that boulderers are using crash pads, or????
it has to do with leave no trace some ancient desert stuff.
yes crash pads are just as destructive...
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Paul, I think he's mad that the car drove from the dirt road across different dirt to the dirt by the rock.
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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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Vagicil on aisle four. Everybody could do a little better with minimizing traces in the wilderness
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2015 - 03:39pm PT
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Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words. See that "loop road" that goes around the Red Monster? And all the blown-out denuded land around it? Right. It was not there the last time I climbed at Ibex. It's recent. So this is the problem. Climbers did it. With cars. So, you know, there's that.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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way lame...
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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bvb... I get what your saying...right now there is a big field of fresh Boulders up in the desert.... a few of us know about it. We get together and talk about "when will we let the world know." Many of US say "no way", at first I was one of the "spread the word opinion" but now i'm all for keeping mum.
The place is so pristine with no LEO presence at all. Im afraid that lazy climbers would not walk the 1/8 mile to get to them and instant roads would get laid down all over the place, crushing the landscape.
Its the first time I have wished for some ranger control.
First time for everything.
The title of this should be "More Proof That Some Climbers Are Beyond Salvaging" .... no need to spear Gym climbers, lots of CLIMBERS are clueless.
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