What a shame, LL tagged

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Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Feb 27, 2015 - 10:21am PT

BTW, Isn't crude oil the outcome of bio degradation?

With ST's mean demographic that would be a little too long of a time frame.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 27, 2015 - 12:09pm PT

I wish I had a good strategy for catching these f*#kwads in the act.

guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Feb 27, 2015 - 12:16pm PT

A tagger was once caught at Stoney, in the act.

His can of paint was sprayed on to his face and arms in-till the can ran out of paint..... never saw that gentleman around again, but a whole bunch of his relatives keep showing up to continue the tradition.

I hope you locals figure out who did this and bring em to justice.

meth

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Feb 27, 2015 - 12:25pm PT

This happened up at Tahquitz a few years ago. I was amazed that the taggers made the hike up there, with all those boulders in Humber Park.

I think some folks went up there and cleaned it up. Perhaps they're on here and can inform as to what they used. Whatever, that boulder there is gonna be quite a project.

Sick mofo's.

Edit: I see where this was covered in another thread linked above by Apogee.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Feb 27, 2015 - 12:36pm PT

Tagging appears to have been big a thousand years or so ago in the Indian Creek region.

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujò de la Playa

Feb 27, 2015 - 12:38pm PT

Ghostbusters?

justthemaid

climber

Jim Henson's Basement

Feb 27, 2015 - 01:17pm PT

I experimented with a number of removal techniques at Stoney. It's a pretty frustrating go-around once it begins. You'll get a lot of "opinions" about removal techniques.

Some notes on Removall: Although Removall is somewhat less toxic than your standard paint remover and may break down faster, it's still a chemical stripper. It's burns if you get it on your skin. You need to haul in a lot of water to clean it off, and I personally didn't use it anywhere where people or ropes touch the rocks, in spite of their non-toxicity claims. It works best on fresh tags. If the tag is very recent, unfortunately, sometimes removing it just encourages the as#@&%es to re-tag larger over the same spot.

Dirtineye had a thread on graffiti removal here. I'll see if I can track it down. Edit: here's the link: http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/203410/Graffiti-painted-removal-this-works

Other Edit @ Ron, I'm more in favor of surgically removing the middle three fingers on both hands.

Sheets

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Feb 27, 2015 - 01:17pm PT

Is there an uptick in taggers hitting natural areas? I've been seeing more reports of it in the last year. Hope it isn't becoming a trend.

Charlie D.

Trad climber

Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2015 - 07:31pm PT

Anyone who is angry at the taggers, to the point of wanting to hurt them, is showing that they would probably do the same or worse than the taggers if they had been raised in the taggers' shoes.

I would assume NutAgain you are opposed to spanking as well :^) and yes I want to hurt them, it was the way I was raised.

Thanks all for the beta on the clean up. I'll get something organized for a work party and post up, it would be nice to meet some of you folks. Tomorrow however I hope to be skiing, the way things should be this time of year in the Tahoe Sierra.

Charlie D.

labrat

Trad climber

Auburn, CA

Feb 27, 2015 - 07:46pm PT

Charlie D,

Super sad.

I would like to be of help in the clean up in some way. Please let me know if you need help. Buy materials or elbow grease. My work schedule is not the best but I'm not too far away.
Erik
olhoffec@yahoo.com

labrat

Trad climber

Auburn, CA

Feb 27, 2015 - 08:25pm PT

First offense = loss of finger or two

Second = hand

Third = blinding

I would vote for it.....

rbord

Boulder climber

atlanta

Feb 27, 2015 - 08:28pm PT

It's not so much that they do it that bothers me, it's that they do it in my backyard.

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Feb 27, 2015 - 08:35pm PT

On the positive side:

The outreach efforts intended to encourage inner-city youth to go visit the wilderness appear to be working.

Rudder

Trad climber

Costa Mesa, CA

Feb 27, 2015 - 10:29pm PT

It's really upsetting. :/

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 27, 2015 - 10:39pm PT

Chaz, that's a remarkably cynical comment.

NutAgain!

Trad climber

South Pasadena, CA

Feb 27, 2015 - 11:06pm PT

Would people still vandalize beautiful things if they didn't feel invisible and powerless, if they didn't feel they were unable to create something of value?

I think the best consequence for people caught tagging is to make them clean it up, for a fixed number of hours of community service, or until the damage they caused is repaired, whichever is greater. If it is irreparable, then they have to work as long as it takes to make it as good as it can be, then have some other offsetting project to clean up something else where the perpetrator is unknown. Only by putting in the effort to repair what they have broken or damaged will they begin to appreciate what they have done and see what it costs.

And they should also have to pay the full salary for whatever people are required to supervise them while they do the clean-up, and have mandatory counseling. This debt should not be eraseable via bankruptcy. If consistent payments are not made, then they should be held in a work detention program of some sort, with continued counseling.

To me, the focus of that is not a punishment or revenge, but an act of learning the value of things that for whatever reason they did not learn when they were growing up. And in the process, in between whatever anger and resentment, it might form the kernel of accomplishment upon which they can build authentic self esteem.

ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber

extraordinaire

Feb 27, 2015 - 11:16pm PT

This is the height of hypocrisy - climbers, who actually drill holes, install all kinds of permanent crap, and beat the f*#k outta the rock are worried about a little paint that'll wash away by itself in a few years.