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Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 27, 2015 - 05:01am PT
It was certainly a beautiful day up at Lovers Leap yesterday but hey being able to climb there in February is just plain crazy.....damn this drought.

At the end of the day we walked up to Surrealistic Pillar to do one last pitch to be greeted by this just off the deck:
Further up the trail at the base of the Groove another tall tale sign of sh*theads:
The planet is sick and so are some people......damn those bastards, what a shame.
norm larson

climber
wilson, wyoming
Feb 27, 2015 - 05:13am PT
That sucks. Too many rats in the cage.
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Feb 27, 2015 - 05:38am PT
I'll be damned. The only good argument for rockfall that I've ever seen.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 27, 2015 - 05:56am PT



I was saying this was coming , so sad !
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Feb 27, 2015 - 06:08am PT
i've been scraping together
episodes of mental anguish, lately.

i need depression
in order to properly entertain potential prose.

i've tried voluntary addiction;
and reckless pursuit of irresponsible means.

i've stared at the dry sky
for hours and yelled obscenities at the planet.

i've cheated friends,
and i've beaten innocent little ol' me.

insomnia is always good for a few illogical understandings.

but i ran dry
and i started to get happy.

then my expressions dry up and
my scars heal when all is f*#king well.


thank you charles for serving me
up a new reason to hate this aweful world.

now sit back and watch and read norwegian
unravel across your scream.

Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2015 - 06:18am PT
Stay raveled Chuck, I'm an old man and would need your strength, will and focused determination to loosen teeth if we ever caught those bastard youths in their sick act.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Feb 27, 2015 - 06:19am PT
Meh. I HATE taggers. Lowest denomination of stupid humans on the planet.
crankster

Trad climber
Feb 27, 2015 - 06:26am PT
Tweakers.
this just in

climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
Feb 27, 2015 - 07:12am PT
Mighty Hiker I believe had a thread on how to clean it off. Disturbing that they used ropes. A climber? Hopefully that is the last of it.

So it's a romantic way to someone's heart? I have a feeling it'll come forth who did it.
I see balls heart something, and will you marry me 9/6. Did you get what it said Charlie?
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Feb 27, 2015 - 07:18am PT
They tag it because it was there. I am constantly seeing tags appear even in remote areas and a huge increase in litter.

If only we could get taggers to promote an anti-litter campaign.

Yo dawg, put yo sh#t in the can.

Seriously though, a litter guilt message has to get through. Crying shame.


Bruce and Clint have been picking up a load like this recent one, each outing to Pinns. It's great that city people are making it to the great outdoors, but come on, all this trash, really?

clarkolator

climber
Feb 27, 2015 - 07:48am PT
That's rough. My ire is only matched by my impotence. If anyone decides to get rid of it, be careful. The third flatiron still has the "CU" tag even after it was "fixed" in the 80s.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2015 - 08:44am PT
Did you get what it said Charlie?

Your guess is as good as mine, do you have the link to MH recommendations on removal?
this just in

climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
Feb 27, 2015 - 08:56am PT
I searched and couldn't find it. Hopefully he will see this and post the formula.
this just in

climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
Feb 27, 2015 - 09:10am PT
It was on the Squamish thread.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1618401&msg=1806549#msg1806549

No, but I did some research on what was available and works, and both BC Parks and the Little Smoke Bluffs committee are OK with it. I've tried several things, including some spray-on stuff called Goof Off, essentially a solvent. The stuff I use now is called Removall - "Industrial Paint Stripper for Concrete and Masonry". In the fine print it says "biodegradable", but I'm not sure that I believe it. Anyway, it's a paste that you goop on. Let it sit for a while, then scrub and rinse, scrub and rinse, then re-apply. Usually I use a soft brush, sometimes with a bit of help from a wire brush. For areas that were lichen and moss free, the result isn't very visible. Otherwise, the graffiti is gone, but you end up with a visible cleaned area, which may take several years to fade and grow over. As you can see from the following, from the Apron three years ago.

more here on Tahquitz graffiti
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1253436&msg=1509003#msg1509003
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 27, 2015 - 09:17am PT
Anyone who is angry at the taggers, to the point of wanting to hurt them, is showing that they would probably do the same or worse than the taggers if they had been raised in the taggers' shoes.

The problem is a lack of training in how to understand and channel their feelings and create a sense of identity for themselves that is respectful toward themselves and toward others. Those abilities rest on a foundation of self love and awareness of one's value, apart from external affirmation.

Many of us lack this basic foundation, and our behaviors and values are then largely sculpted by the environment that enables us to pursue the love and acceptance and sense of belonging that was insufficient at home. This is a big reason why parents should care what kind of kids their kids hang out with. Even if home is fine, at some point it would be time to differentiate and the most available people with whom to do so were dealing with their own serious deficits and had their own previous bad examples, and so this negative behavior carries on like a disease.

Maybe a good place to focus resources to bring about change is elementary and junior high school programs, as part of the standard curriculum and bolstered with extra-curricular programs. These things cost money, and you see them in rich neighborhoods with aggressive PTA organizations collecting money. The places where they are most needed- poor neighborhoods where (often single) parents are busy working and can't afford to keep their kids involved in after school activities- don't have the money to do it. So the money can't just come from PTA and property taxes if we want to systematically improve the quality of experiences and training for youth across our country. The money must come from state/federal levels to provide a common baseline of resources to care for our youth. If we take the attitude of saying "not my kids I don't want to pay for it" then we pay later with more prisons and an uglier world.

People who say "I don't want big government meddling in my family" then have to contend with big government arresting them or their friends later on.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 27, 2015 - 09:34am PT
Another post by Anders on the subject.

Sep 3, 2012 - 01:37am PT
The magic stuff is called Removall. It was originally made in Vancouver, but maybe is now made elsewhere? There may be two or three varieties. It comes in a plastic bucket, much like an ice cream tub - four litres for about $45, which is enough to do a lot. (It's allegedly biodegradable, too.)

Anyway, you need Removall, a good stiff scrub brush, lots of water, and incidental things such as work clothes, something to protect your eyes, lunch, something to read, etc. Removall is a cheerful orange paste. The system:
1. Daub it on the painted area. (It sticks quite well, and I just use the scrub brush.)
2. Wait patiently at least 30 minutes, better still more. Until it seems to have entirely dried up and disappeared.
3. Rinse and scrub like mad, rinse some more. Lots of water needed - I carried 15 litres to the top of the Chief today, to get the one that was up high, unusually so. Plus serious elbow grease.
4. Reapply, and repeat steps 2 and 3.

Two to three applications usually do it. Each pass takes 80 - 90% of what's there, so at the end there's 1 - 2%, usually in crevices and niches. That's a realistic goal.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1618401&msg=1918061#msg1918061

Also known as Taginator
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 27, 2015 - 09:38am PT
I had pretty good luck with 'Lift Off', and a fair amount of elbow grease:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1253436&tn=60

Before & after pics
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 27, 2015 - 09:42am PT
Yeah, criminals. Well, criminal behavior certainly- but does it help or hurt to call them criminals? Is that the identity we would want to cement for the future, as it relates to the people who have done things like this? Is that not teaching them "we expect more of the same or worse from you in the future"?

But for sociopaths, is this line of thinking just a weakness to be exploited? How to winnow out the sociopaths from those with bad programming?

In parenting situations, I often repeat to myself the mantra "teach not punish". Where does the line get crossed, when a person is too far gone to be teachable?
Trad

Trad climber
northern CA
Feb 27, 2015 - 09:47am PT
Very sad to see this.

Just a quick comment about whether or not ropes might've been used: It looks like the Surrealistic Pillar tag is just left of the first big stance on the route (route base can be seen in extreme lower right of the photo). Some of those dikes are pretty huge, so it's possible the person just dike-hiked the start and traversed a few feet left.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 27, 2015 - 09:49am PT
Anything that will remove a solvent-based paint cannot be 'bio-degradable'
any more than crude oil is although crude is bio-degradable eventually. I
used to have a nice little portable sand-blaster. It did require a compressor
but it only leaves a little pile of sand.
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