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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jan 27, 2015 - 08:36am PT
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Hurts... As someone who has left gear stashed, I feel for you. I trust climbers, at least the generation of climbers I grew up with.
Sounds like a crew picked it up.... if you struggled to lug all that stuff way out there, it would be almost imposable for one person to find it and carry it out alone.
Welcome to climbing 2015.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Jan 27, 2015 - 08:43am PT
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Wait. Are you saying this was Jeremy's stuff???
Have you checked with his Mom to see if she might have these keepsakes in her care?
And, will this now possibly bring him back to post here on ST?
Arne
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Jan 27, 2015 - 09:21am PT
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That sux Joe. Sorry to hear about that.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Jan 27, 2015 - 09:36am PT
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No doubt that gear stashed can be stolen, just surprised that it would happen in a place where so few go
Long ago there was a feeling that you were sharing the Fisher Towers with a select few folks who were in on the same secret. Everyone would respect each other. Now there's so many people, that respect has gone.
Been leaving fixed ropes and stashed gear (usually up a climb, but for sure stashed on the ground also) for 25 years round there. Never once worried that the stuff would vanish, between weekend trips, or even when left longer, as it often was. Everyone else climbing there did the same.
Hope you recover the stuff.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jan 27, 2015 - 09:58am PT
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Joe if you have any photos post them up and share them as widely as possible as many places as possible. Blue has a lot of different meanings to differing folks, and a visual might make all the difference in a recovery. Best to you in getting your sh#t, which should have been left untouched, back. May the thieves burn in hell.
SOME BLUE HUES
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LearningTrad
Trad climber
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Jan 27, 2015 - 10:28am PT
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Jan 27, 2015 - 10:19am PT
Burch3y did it.
hOHhhhmann!!!!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 27, 2015 - 01:31pm PT
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Brosef, a friend of mine said to be sure and check with Marshall at Moab Gear Traders.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 27, 2015 - 01:58pm PT
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TRUE!!
I hope the fellas get their gear back.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jan 27, 2015 - 02:15pm PT
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The Fishers are actually very busy, and footprints can be visible for years in the desert. I'm not surprised your gear was found. Could have been anyone. Probably NOT climbers, IMO, but you never know. Good luck, sorry for the loss.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jan 27, 2015 - 02:43pm PT
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Ouch! Sorry for your loss. Did you erase your tracks so the perps could not follow them right to your gear?
Its been said by better men than I 'Anything worth doing is
worth over doing'.
Like concealing stuff, a'la breaking bad... digging a hole for however
many plastic barrels needed and bury 'em. And erase your tracks. A big sheet of card board waved at sandy soil adds that final touch of pristine
'no ones walked here look' after a careful brushing.
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Brosef
Big Wall climber
Fort Collins, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2015 - 03:03pm PT
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Thanks again those who have taken the time to provide recommendations. Here are some photos. The sad thing is that the gear had become so "Fisher-ized" that any poor bastard buying it would be in for quite a shock. Plus, who ever stole the sleeping bag I had been using out there for years is one desperate soul, that was a funky bag.
To dave729. You are most certainly correct. The project didn't die, just hit a bit of a road bump. There are still few places that are as fun to climb.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Jan 27, 2015 - 04:30pm PT
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That gear is in better condition than some of our stashes in the sands. We usually bring an aerosol can of carb cleaner to get the sand out of the cams before climbing.
Am sure you considered it, but would second that notion of potential flash flood wrecking the cache. It has happened before in other places. The more likely explanation as you suggest is some form of lowlife, in which there are many in the climbing community and society as a whole.
Bummer about your gear. I forwarded Jeremy's letter on to a half dozen climber friends.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 27, 2015 - 05:48pm PT
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Is it possible that the BLM cleaned you out?
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Jan 27, 2015 - 07:10pm PT
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This leads us to suspect that either ne'er-do-wells (ie, meth-heads, scavengers)
Initial suspicions are usually wrong . . . I doubt there are many hard core, off-trail hiking tweekers out there. They don't have the time and energy for such nonsense . . . they break into cars at the trailhead.
As for scavengers . . . pretty unlikely, unless your stash location sucked.
Which brings us to the question of why stash gear for such a long time at all in a frequently visited area? While I sympathize with you, I find your perspective somewhat naive.
Climbers would be the most likely suspects, but are there really such parasitic types out there?
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Jan 27, 2015 - 07:25pm PT
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Climbers would be the most likely suspects, but are there really such parasitic types out there?
Only if you open your eyes and look at the "climbing community" do you see parasites all around.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Jan 27, 2015 - 07:35pm PT
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That is pretty profound albatross . . . care to elaborate?
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Jan 27, 2015 - 07:49pm PT
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I have to agree with Kalimon. Stashing gear for this length of time and then crying foul when it disappears is the return of cause and effect.
Sorry you lost your gear, I hope you get it back. In the future plan your projects with a little more care.
Best of luck to you!
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