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nature

climber
Boulder, CO
May 11, 2015 - 09:13pm PT
He got four games and will appeal and might get it cut to two. I figured 4-8 games but didn't expect them to rail the franchise as much as they did.

Most of this punishment is due to him not cooperating (handing over his cell) and straight up lying (saying he didn't know one of the guys yet he texted with him often).

They should also ban him from futbol for life. or soccer. maybe hockey two. Actually... let him play hockey.
philo

Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
May 11, 2015 - 09:16pm PT
And yet not even a pinky slap for mastermind Belicheat.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
May 12, 2015 - 11:04am PT
nfl sees a film (i.e. EVIDENCE) of ray rice dragging his unconscious girlfriend off an elevator, and he gets 2 games

nfl has NOTHING on brady, and he gets 4 games

this is because:

a) brady is white
b) brady plays qb
c) brady has a hot wife
d) brady is a winner
e) all of the above


here's a breakdown of the report: http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2015/05/12/top-10-reasons-why-an-appeal-overturns-tom-bradys-suspension/

note #5 where aaron rodgers ADMITS to tampering with the footballs

peter king on si.com also offers insight: http://mmqb.si.com/2015/05/11/tom-brady-suspension-patriots-deflategate-punishment/

Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
May 12, 2015 - 01:31pm PT
BOSTON (CBS) — The NFL let the DeflateGate saga carry through the weekend, even dropping a juicy morsel of information/gossip late Friday afternoon for the world to feast on. None of this is an accident.
It’s clear beyond a reasonable doubt — or, I should say, “it’s more probable than not” — that above all else, the NFL lives for the soap opera. The folks who run the league know that the NFL is much, much bigger than any one player, owner or franchise. The NFL is a juggernaut, and while many have wondered how the league benefits by painting the Super Bowl MVP as “Mr. Cheat,” the reality is simple.
The league loves the drama.
No matter what the result of this ridiculous “DeflateGate” situation may be, the fact remains that:
A) We are all talking about the NFL in early May, when the NHL’s and NBA’s playoffs are cranked up and the MLB season is in full swing. Yet every sports radio show around the country is dedicated to the NFL. Phone lines are jammed. The topic dominates national conversation, generates countless headlines, and has yet again made the jump into the news networks. The NFL is very, very happy about this. (Plus, the league knows that air pressure in footballs is not actually cheating, so the level of taint they’re throwing on the 2014 Patriots is just enough to make this a major story, but small enough to not actually affect the integrity of the game that everybody is so worried about.)
B) The cycle can live even longer. The NFL can issue a suspension to Brady, and Brady can then appeal it. That appeal will be heard, and then Brady can have his suspension taken away by an actual independent party. That means for the NFL’s season opener on that Thursday night at Gillette, Tom Brady will be in uniform as the Patriots raise a banner. People won’t have any choice but to watch. Ratings records will be shattered. Win.
Whether Tom Brady comes out of this thing smelling like roses or wearing a proverbial orange jumpsuit, the folks running the league don’t really care.
They just want to keep you tuned in and waiting for more. And they’re pretty damn good at it.
With that established, let’s tackle the one focal point that seems to be driving the most people to believe that Tom Brady is guilty as sin: The Great Cell Phone Refusal Of 2015.
This is the point of contention that many have said paints Brady as hiding evidence. Some people have even said “You know what? Forget the fact that there is no damning evidence on Brady. He ought to be suspended solely because he didn’t give his phone to Ted Wells’ investigation team.”
OK, well “people” in this instance refers to Peter King, who admittedly might be on his own planet with this one. But here’s what he wrote: “I’d give Brady one game, two tops, for failing to turn over his cell phone and the evidence within. This is too important to rely on half-truths and maybes. Goodell, who I believe will come down harshly, can’t listen to the noise. He has to listen to the truth, and the proof.”
This is, in a word, hysterical. I’d suspend this man from playing in the NFL because he didn’t give up his cell phone. Half-truths and maybes are not enough to NOT suspend him, but half-truths and maybes are enough TO suspend him. Yes, this makes sense.
(King’s assertion came after he proved fairly thoroughly that the NFL’s evidence was flimsy at best. Classic.)
King is just the one example I use here, but there are hundreds of voices in the media making this same point.
So, does Brady’s refusal to hand over his cell phone to investigators make him look guilty? Let’s address that critical question.
1. Tom Brady is one of the most prominent members of the players’ union.
This is an important fact because despite Roger Goodell’s illusion, the NFL has no real power in these sham investigations. That means they can’t subpoena anybody to testify or hand over evidence. Cooperation is entirely up to the people who are being accused.
Now, if you fail to cooperate, people (including the investigators) will assume you’re guilty. It’s quite the opposite of the way our criminal justice system works. So, Tom Brady, like the rest of the Patriots, cooperated. He sat with investigators for a full day and answered their questions.
But he did not hand his private phone over to Wells’ team, and for that, people are quick to assign blame. They’re forgetting the fact that Brady is one of the most famous athletes on the planet, and his wife is even more well-known around the globe. He’s been pasted onto the front page of the New York tabloids with juvenile jokes about “balls” dozens of times since January, and that’s without the world peeping his private text messages.
Some might still say, “Well, I’d give my phone over if I had nothing to hide.” But, well, the world doesn’t so much care what Bill from accounting texts to his buddies on a Thursday night. It’s a bit of a different situation for Tom Brady.
If you’re a person of Brady’s stature and you don’t have to expose your private message to the world, you just aren’t going to do it. For one, you don’t have to, but secondly, you’d be setting a precedent for your fellow union members that you must hand over personal, private information when requested.
2. The texts from Richie Incognito in the previous Ted Wells-run report were awful.
Richie Incognito is a relative nobody. He’s the type of guy you might see crushing fries and light beers at a Buffalo Wild Wings on a Tuesday afternoon. He handed his phone over because he was under attack for being a “bully” to another grown man, and his future employment prospects in the NFL depended on Wells clearing his name.
Here’s how Incognito was rewarded for his cooperation. (The texts were much too vulgar to publish unedited, so I’ll do my best to add some colorful [censored] words.)
“I’m going to shoot you and claim self defense … I’m white ur black I’ll walk”
“I got the worst [sexual favor] ever!”
“Don’t forget the cocaine too … No dude hookers u [homosexual slur] … Don’t blame ur gay tendancies on [name redacted] … Stop it.”
“U good dude? Did u get some chick pregnant? I’ll help u off her if that’s the case”
“They are massive and fake. I love fake [ones] … Is it wrong that I want to get wasted again and talk to babes … Ur black and I hate u”
“That’s the gayest [crap] I’ve ever heard. U really are a [homosexual slur]”
“Ur a [P-word] … [P-word]…[P-word]… [P-word] U are no longer my road dog”
That’s just a sampling of the thousand or so text messages from Incognito to Jonathan Martin which were pasted on the Internet for all the world to see.
Granted, it is highly unlikely that Brady engages in text message conversations that are as ridiculous as Incognito’s. But the tabloids would have a field day with anything Brady said to anybody. And given the ridiculous number of leaks that were coming out of the league office at that time — including Jim McNally’s name and town of residence getting pasted all over ESPN.com in the midst of the investigation — there is nothing the NFL could have said to Brady to convince him that the private messages would actually be protected by the investigation team.
Brady’s a generally private guy, and again, this was an investigation into the PSI of footballs used in a football game. So he kept that phone in his pocket.
3. All of Brady’s communications with Jastremski also show up on Jastremski’s phone, which the Wells team examined.
This is the most obvious point that has seemingly been glossed over by everybody. If Brady texted or called Jastremski, the investigators could see that via Jastremski’s phone. And they did. So there’s no need for any of Goodell’s henchmen to snoop on Brady’s texts to Gisele or anybody else for the sake of an investigation into air pressure in footballs.
4. When Robert Mueller investigated the NFL for its cover-up mishandling of the Ray Rice elevator video … league executives only turned over their company-issued cell phones.
This was pointed out to me by an astute reader on Twitter, and it checks out. You’ll remember that last year, the NFL paid Robert Mueller to investigate the NFL, and Robert Mueller (surprise surprise) concluded that NFL hadn’t really done anything wrong.
In the course of that investigation, Mueller needed some evidence. Here’s an excerpt from Page 7 of the appendix of Mueller’s report:
“We identified the most logical persons to have received and viewed the in-elevator video. We imaged each of their devices — their computers, as well as their League mobile phones and tablets, if they had one. … In total, we imaged 51 computers, 42 mobile devices or tablets, and two external storage devices.”
Page 47 of that report also makes the distinction that the investigation examined “League” mobile phones and devices. That excludes personal phones and devices.
Now, that same Twitter user noted that Tom Brady’s cell phone, as listed in the Wells report, had a 917 area code, which would mean it was put into service in New York City.

An excerpt from Page 102 of the Wells report.

An excerpt from Page 104 of the Wells report.
New York City, as you might be aware, is not in Foxborough, Massachusetts. So the phone in question was more likely than not a personal phone of Brady.
So, when the NFL is under investigation, its executives need not turn over personal cell phones. But when a player is under investigation, he must relinquish his own privacy to satisfy the demands of those same executives, or else he will be considered guilty for not cooperating.
If it sounds like a double standard, and if it sounds like guilt is being cast on Tom Brady despite an obvious lack of evidence, that’s because it’s exactly what’s taking place.
Read more from Michael Hurley by clicking here. You can email him or find him on Twitter @michaelFhurley.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/05/11/deflategate-why-tom-brady-didnt-give-his-phone-to-ted-wells-investigation-team/
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 12, 2015 - 01:48pm PT
Brady/Patriots' punishment?
Total BS
Assuming the NFL has evidence that would stand up in court he should be banned for life for interfering in the outcome of a game. Assuming Patriots' staff knew/colluded they should also be kicked out of the league.

Now if they don't have such evidence they should say so and shouldn't levy any penalties.

It's all about what TV advertisers call "eyeballs" and what the NFL really cares about - profits. Just enough penalty to make it look as if the NFL is standing up for "good sportsmanship". Slap wrists. Wag fingers. And take the next bag of cash to the bank.
No penalties and they'd be afraid they'd lose some eyeballs.

total BS
not that I really give a rat's arse.
The concussion problem is gonna sink the league anyway. There's the malfeasance of both NFL and teams that's going to really empty their bank accounts.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
May 12, 2015 - 01:57pm PT
Cheaters. Brady cheated and those ball boys cheated and bellicheck cheated because he's the smartest guy in the room and the league is all fvcked up and cheating because they're pretending to not condone this cheating to make a few more bucks. And are those other cheater humans still going to watch and support this travesty of cheating?

And really what's going to sink them is the concussions and the risk of injury that they take to entertain us. That's just irresponsible and immoral!

I'm going climbing now with no helmet, but I'm not cheating I'm one of the good people because I climb in good style and my heroes are free soloists who fall to their death leaving their children fatherless.

Carry on :-)
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
May 12, 2015 - 01:59pm PT
There's climbing in Atlanta?
Osprey

climber
May 12, 2015 - 06:20pm PT
The needle and the damage done.

Take away his Hall of Fame eligibility as all evidence points to him doing this since at least 2007.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
May 13, 2015 - 11:21am PT
Osprey.... Pretty harsh, IMHO

As an official in motor racin I know that everyone wants an edge. "If your not cheating your not trying hard enuf" is the saying.....

Allowing the teams to inflate and manage the balls is just asking for some "out of spec" balls.

It would be like letting the motor builders tech their own motors.

If the game ball pressure is so important to the outcome of the game, then only officials should work on the balls.

The NFL dropped the ball.

End of story
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 13, 2015 - 11:25am PT
I think Tiger Woods cheating on Lindsay Vonn is a far bigger story.
What a freaking IDIOT! BAN HIM!
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
May 13, 2015 - 02:11pm PT
all evidence points to him doing this since at least 2007

Except for the officials saying they never recalled McNally taking the balls to the field himself before, he was always accompanied by an official.

There's a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to guilt, but there's so many holes in the report (can't keep which gauges used straight, no record of levels before the game, no consistency in the psi levels when the balls were tested at half time, Brady saying they did nothing wrong privately in a text after the investigation started) especially with regards to Brady's involvement. And the report ignored everything that made the NFL itself look bad (game balls sold for profit, bungled operation, different standard/gauge used for COLTS balls vs. pats balls.

The Pats look guilty but there's definitely more to the story than is being told. I'd have to agree with a lot of people that think this has been blown way out of proportion (deflated balls are the worst violation ever? worse than PEDs, fake crowd noise, domestic abuse) to divert attention from bigger problems in the NFL.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
May 13, 2015 - 09:43pm PT
or 2004

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-aj-feeley-tom-brady-deflategate-20150513-story.html


You can argue that Goodell blundered this one as well. Everyone would agree on that. He blunders just about everything.

But this was about more than deflated footballs.

It was about Brady lying that he didn't know McNally as well as his refusal to hand over his phone. Yeah... do that Tom... and we'll see just how much of a liar he is.

It's also about Goodell making a statement about "The Patriot's way". Cheat and keep cheating - it's systematic through the entire organization or so it appears.

An excellent point was made in regards to the obscure formations that Pats used against the Ravens. Were they within the rules? Yes. Were they within the spirit of the game. Nope. Pats way.

I have little respect left for Brady and the Pats. None for Billacheat.

Micheal Bennett had a great TMZ interview that got released today. He said yes to "is Brady a cheater". And then was asked about the Superbowl to which he replied - they beat us and Brady had a great game.

And if anyone wants to compare this to a court of law compare it to a civil court and not a criminal court. Beyond a reasonable doubt is not required to rail them the way they have. Thus the "more than likely" language.

So no, didn't believe that Brady dude then and don't believe him now. Perhaps what is most telling is the narcissistic Pats fans defending him/them to no end.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
May 14, 2015 - 04:23am PT
" the narcissistic Pats fans defending him/them to no end."

aaron rodgers ADMITTED to tampering with the balls; he told cbs, “I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football...even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it.”

where's your outrage?

rodgers prefers his footballs to be rock hard because he thinks it helps him throw the ball harder and farther, which means brady's "cheating" would put him at a disadvantage

if you think the pats' clever interpretation of the rules is "cheating", you should be demanding the officials be fired since they apparently didn't know the rules

and i'm sure you want all these "cheaters" arrested because they didn't follow the "spirit" of the law

http://www.dailyrepublic.com/usworld/sacramento-moves-to-ban-nudity-on-streets-sidewalks/

just admit your hate


here's breitbart's analysis:

#10. Ted Wells Judges 100 Seconds Enough Time to Deflate Balls But 13 Minutes Not Long Enough for Refs to Test Balls?

If a Dutch teenager could solve a Rubik’s cube in less than six seconds, then it’s certainly possible that a beer distributor from New Hampshire could deflate a bag of unwieldy prolate spheroids in 100 seconds before the AFC Championship Game. Whether he did or not, we don’t know because the bathroom door shielded his activities. But the possibility, like the possibility the he merely took a leak himself, is not implausible, so this supposition by Wells, though entirely speculative, surely does not fall into the “outrageous” category. It’s when the investigator shifts the conversation to the Colts balls that he reveals a prejudice. Wells states (p. 70) that “it is estimated that the footballs were inside the [referee] locker room for approximately 13 minutes and 30 seconds” at halftime. But that (p. 7) “[o]nly four Colts balls were tested because the officials were running out of time before the start of the second half.” Get it? Wells finds 100 seconds ample time for one guy to deflate 12 footballs in a cramped bathroom but 810 seconds too brief a period for a room full of referees to gauge even half that number of Colts footballs.

#9 Wells Report Labels Texts Undermining Case a ‘Joke,’ Texts Buttressing Case Dead Serious

When the text messages of Patriots employees undermine Wells’s case, they joke. When the texts support Wells’s case, the texters display unmistakable earnestness. So, when ball handler Jim McNally threatens (pp. 5, 13, 77, 78) to overinflate pigskins to the size of a “rugby ball,” a “watermelon,” or a “balloon,” he clearly jests, according to Wells, as he does (pp. 15, 80) when he says, “The only thing deflating sun..is [Brady’s] passing rating.” But when he calls himself, in the same chain of texts, the “deflator,” he writes in all seriousness even if in a “joking tone,” according to Wells. In every instance, the language dismissed as “jokes” undermines the case and the language seized upon as serious, which appears as a reading-between-the-lines reach, suggests guilt. When the beleaguered ball handlers insist the texts represent kidding around, Wells (p. 80) states: “We do not view these explanations as plausible or consistent with common sense.” All kidding aside, the interpretation says more about the interpreters than the interpreted.

#8. Ted Wells Doesn’t Really Know the Pregame Pressure Levels

The entire Wells Report is based on an assumption that all of the Colts balls measured at 13.0 and all the Patriots balls measured at 12.5 before the game despite referee Walt Anderson conceding some variation (p. 52). Wells admits that the NFL referees did not bother to document the pregame measurements despite the Colts tipping off the NFL to their suspicions and the NFL warning the referees to watch for ball pressure. And despite the halftime measurements showing considerable fluctuations (p. 8) from ball to ball and considerable fluctuations in measurements of the same ball from referee to referee, the report insists on using neat, consistent pregame measurements of 13.0 for each Colts ball and 12.5 for each Patriots ball. Wells accepts the uniform 13.0/12.5 measurements in part because of “the level of confidence [referee Walt] Anderson expressed in his recollection” that the balls came in around those levels.

#7 After Relying on Walt Anderson’s ‘Best Recollection,’ Wells Disregards It

Here’s where things get interesting. According (pp. 51-52) to Anderson’s “best recollection,” he used the gauge with a Wilson logo and “the long, crooked needle,” calibrated by Wells’s scientists as finding lower pressure readings, to gauge balls before the game. This is important because if the ref used this gauge that Wells’s scientific consultants measured as taking consistently lower readings, then this would force Wells to rely on this particular gauge for halftime readings. Relying on this gauge clears eight of eleven Pats balls. But in this instance, Wells decided to dismiss Anderson’s “best recollection” and maintain that Anderson used the other gauge before the game. That certainly helps his case but it’s difficult to think of anything that helps one come to that conclusion. His scientists—going against the testimony of a referee entering his twentieth season in the NFL—claim (p. 116) that “Walt Anderson most likely used the Non-Logo Gauge to inspect the game balls prior to the game.” Why? As Mike Florio, who outlines this scandalous aspect of the report, writes: “That’s how investigations that start with a predetermined outcome and work backward unfold.”

#6. The Refs and Their Gauges Fluctuated Greatly

The halftime pressure readings on each ball vary considerably from referee to referee. There is no uniformity in one ref’s readings showing higher or lower than the other’s, suggesting human error or defective equipment. But either of these possibilities kills Wells’s case, so he offers a theory explaining this away. He maintains (pp. 116-117) that “it appears most likely that the two officials switched gauges in between measuring each team’s footballs.” While Clete Blakeman’s readings uniformly measure .3 to .45 psi lower on the Patriots balls than Dyrol Prioleau’s readings, Blakeman’s readings consistently run higher, but on just three of four Colts balls, than Prioleau’s. Apart from this inconsistency that raises serious questions about the digital gauges, their batteries, and the people running them, the Wells Report’s raw data—in contradiction to the narrative—definitively answers that at least one of the gauges, or perhaps one of the refs, erred. How else to explain the .3 to .45 psi variances on all of the balls?

#5 The NFL Doesn’t Punish for Ball Tampering

Brady denies tampering. Another, some might argue better, quarterback admits it. “I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football,” Aaron Rodgers told CBS’s Phil Simms pre-Deflategate, “even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it.” Aside from the rule-breaking admission, the Green Bay Packers QB’s preference for bigger footballs brings into question whether a lack of pressure provides an advantage or caters to a preference. Additionally, Fox’s cameras caught the Minnesota Vikings and Carolina Panthers heating balls this past season in frigid Minneapolis. NFL officiating guru Dean Blandino told the teams to knock it off. Rodgers has thus far escaped both the tongue lashing and the $25,000 fine. Rule 2, Section 1 states: “The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications…. the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.” This didn’t happen. “In the event a home team ball does not conform to specifications, or its supply is exhausted,” Rule 2, Section 2 holds, “the Referee shall secure a proper ball from the visitors and, failing that, use the best available ball.” This didn’t happen.

#4. Wells Report Misleadingly Says Pats Shielded Ball Handler from Follow-Up Interview

“We believe the failure by the Patriots and its Counsel to produce [Jim] McNally for the requested follow-up interview violated the club’s obligations to cooperate with the investigation under the Policy on Integrity of the Game & Enforcement of League Rules and was inconsistent with public statements made by the Patriots pledging full cooperation with the investigation,” maintains the Wells Report. At best, the language (p. 20) proves misleading. It turns out, the Patriots made the employee in question, Jim McNally, available for three follow-up interviews. Only on the request for a fifth interrogation did the franchise say no more interviews for the game-day employee who lives 75 miles from Gillette Stadium. “I was offended by the comments made in the Wells Report in reference to not making an individual available for a follow-up interview,” Patriots owner Bob Kraft responded. “What the report fails to mention is that he had already been interviewed four times and we felt the fifth request for access was excessive for a part-time game day employee who has a full-time job with another employer.”

#3 A Whole Lot of ‘More Probably Than Not’ Adds Up to Unlikely

Judging it “more probable than not” that Tom Brady was “generally aware”—whatever that means—of an event itself judged “more probable than not” does not make for a statistically airtight, or even compelling, case. Add in all the other “more probable than not” suppositions, such as those dismissing Walt Anderson’s recollection on what pregame gauge he used or theorizing that the refs switched gauges during halftime, and suddenly a 50 percent+1 finding becomes 25 percent, then 12.5 percent, and so on.

#2 Wells Cherry Picks Data

The report’s assertions repeatedly conflict with its data on ball pressure. “Specifically, all but three of the Patriots footballs, as measured by both gauges, registered pressure levels lower than the range predicted by the Ideal Gas Law,” the report claims. This just isn’t true, which a chart presented by Wells (p. 8) plainly shows. Eight of the balls measured by referee Dyrol Prioleau showed readings at or above where Wells’s own scientists said balls inflated to 12.5 psi before the game would hit at halftime because of weather conditions. Wells states that “the Patriots balls should have measured between 11.52 and 11.32 psi at the end of the first half.” Ball 1 (11.80), Ball 3 (11.50), Ball 5 (11.45), Ball 6 (11.95), Ball 7 (12.30), Ball 8 (11.55), Ball 9 (11.35), and Ball 11 (11.35) all registered above 11.32 by Prioleau’s readings (Balls 1, 6, and 7 also did so by Blakeman’s). Put another way, three Pats balls came in above the range outlined by the scientists, three Pats balls came in below the range, and five came within the range. In response to these completely normal measurements, Wells opts to dismiss the findings of a field judge with eight years NFL experience just as he dismissed the recollection of a referee entering his twentieth season in the NFL.

#1 NFL Uses Different Ball Pressure Standard for Pats and Colts

Whereas Wells ignores the best-case-scenario readings for the Patriots and highlights the worst-case scenario ones, he exclusively relies on the highest possible measurements when discussing Colts balls. He says (p. 52) at halftime, “No air was added to the Colts balls tested because they each registered within the permissible inflation range on at least one of the two gauges used.” Notice the different standard? For the Patriots, he talks about balls not passing muster on “both gauges.” For the Colts, he employs a “one of the two gauges used” standard. Apart from whitewashing the inconvenient truth that one referee judged a majority of Pats balls where Wells’s scientists said balls inflated to regulation before the game would read at halftime, this underhanded tactic enables Wells to gloss over the fact that three Colts balls lost so much pressure after a half, despite supposedly coming in at 13.0 to begin with, that they fell short of the NFL standard on at least one ref’s gauge. Relying on the lower gauge when its suits the NFL’s purposes and then both gauges when expediency demands it, like accepting Walt Anderson’s recollections when it suits and dismissing them when it doesn’t, suggests a bias that an unbiased arbiter will likely find objectionable enough to dismiss the suspension.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
May 14, 2015 - 07:22am PT
heroes of american ballsports cheating? I'm shocked. I won't believe it until the senate investigates.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jul 28, 2015 - 09:15pm PT
Turn him over, he's done.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-s-destroyed-cell-phone-is-smoking-gun-that-crushed-the-patriots-superstar-210251124.html

He saved Goodell's reputation and Roger knew what was up all along. I'm so not a fan of that guy but dam I have to give him credit on this one. He played a chess match and won in a couple moves.

What a small insert sex organ, pick your gender.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-s-destroyed-cell-phone-is-smoking-gun-that-crushed-the-patriots-superstar-210251124.html


Cheater.

Indignant Cheater.
zBrown

Ice climber
May 25, 2016 - 05:22pm PT
What say you EdH,PhD? What say you all?


Engineering and physics professors weigh in on Tom Brady’s Deflategate appeal

They did not invoke G*^^*D, but rather science (look out Herr Braun incoming).

“In the name of science, we support the petition for rehearing,” the papers said.

http://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2016/05/24/engineering-physics-professors-weigh-tom-bradys-deflategate-appeal
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
May 25, 2016 - 06:17pm PT
Re: Brady
there's no direct evidence he did anything wrong
If he did anything wrong it was a minor equipment violation, which should have been a fine
If he did anything wrong it had no impact on that game

Re: NFL
Jumped to the conclusion
Didn't know balls naturally lose pressure due to temperature changes
Lied and leaked false information
Won't release the data of ball pressures taken last season

Re: the court case
It's really about whether arbitration can be completely unfair and capricious or it needs to meet some degree of fairness. If the court case was about Brady's guilt it would have been over long ago. There's no evidence he did anything.

This could have a big impact on arbitration nationwide at least for sports teams. Many people will refuse arbitration if they feel the process can be unfair.
zBrown

Ice climber
May 25, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
Pretty good recap The Fet.

You ever notice in how many of the financial "services" terms and conditions you accede to by continuing to use them, arbitration is your only choice in a dispute?

You ever notice how arbitrators get work? The process is completely biased toward big financial institutions.



WBraun

climber
May 25, 2016 - 08:42pm PT
The ball did it.

It's always the ball just like it's always the butler did it.

The ball should be fined and given a four game suspension.

No football for first four games in the NFL this year.

But they can't do that.

There would be mass suicide by fans who can't live without football ....

the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
May 25, 2016 - 09:02pm PT
I just got an email about a class action lawsuit settlement from ticketmaster. Yey, I get a discount off future purchases because they ripped me off!

But what's really interesting is that this is the last lawsuit. They changed their terms and conditions to requiring arbitration. Gee I wonder why they did that? No such thing as class action arbitration so they are more free to do more unfair business practices.
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