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Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 26, 2015 - 10:05am PT
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I didn't know my balls were deflated....
I would never break the rules......
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 26, 2015 - 10:12am PT
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Yep I wondered about temperature myself.
I hope they were cheating though. Cause watching multi billion dollar enterprises get skewered in the media is more fun.
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survival
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Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2015 - 10:13am PT
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I suspect the balls were properly inflated at one time.
No sh#t??????
Let's see what the inflation is at the Super bowl, no matter what the temperature is.
Ol' Tom got caught with his hand in the panties, period.
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John M
climber
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Jan 26, 2015 - 10:19am PT
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they found residue of powdered cool aide in Kevin's kit after he finished pitch 15. WE all know what that means.
one report I saw.. who knows if it is true, says that they only found one ball that was fully 2 pounds low. The others ranged around one pound low. Seems plausible to me that this could be caused by filling them in a warm locker room.
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steve shea
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Jan 26, 2015 - 10:23am PT
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Yup! Check your tire pressures cold, cause when the heat up from ambient air and use, it will not read the same. I think there are as many Patriots haters now as Cowboys haters. Anything to stir the pot. Yeah Belichik taped opposing team's practice sessions. But they all did and were told by the NFL to stop. The Pats kept it up a little too long and got caught.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2015 - 10:28am PT
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Seems plausible to me that this could be caused by filling them in a warm locker room.
Yeah, warm balls have never been taken from a warm room into the cold before.
Tom's a handsome white boy, he would never lie to us.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jan 26, 2015 - 10:38am PT
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So the balls were down by app. 1/6 pressure. If you run you car tires at 35 lbs., that's a drop to 30. I've seen the tires on my truck drop that much in really cold weather.
Or does the volume of air in the ball vs the tire matter?
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survival
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Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2015 - 10:40am PT
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What matters is that the Colts balls were all properly inflated and the Pats weren't.
I guess it was colder on their side of the field.
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ddriver
Trad climber
SLC, UT
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Jan 26, 2015 - 10:46am PT
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The claim is that the under-inflated balls were discovered at halftime, at which time the Patriots lead 17-7.
Officials then corrected the pressure. Pats went on to outscore
Indy 28-0 after the inflation was corrected.
If anyone should be mad here, IMO, it is Indy that the under-inflation was discovered in the first place.
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Slabby D
Trad climber
B'ham WA
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Jan 26, 2015 - 10:48am PT
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Without data it's all conjecture and the fact the NFL has refused to release any details on the actual PSI of the footballs at the halftime seems fairly incriminating (not to mention the amazing aw-shucks ignorance of Belichick and Brady). Of course the Refs probably weren't sitting there tabulating exact measures.
Regardless, if they are in fact innocent the only thing that matters is the temperature of the air in the ball when they were supposedly inspected prior to the game.
Assume that
1) They were all at the minimum pressure of 12.5 PSI prior to the game
2) The actual volume change with small PSI changes is negligible.
3) The internal air temperature was 51 degrees F at halftime.
Gay-Lussacs Law says
P1/T1 = P2/T2 (temperature in Kelvin)
If the Refs measured halftime pressure at 10.5 PSI (and it's still not certain what the balls actually measured at) then the initial temperature would need to be 148 degrees Fahrenheit. If it was 11.5 PSI then the initial temperature would need to be 95.4 degrees.
I don't believe vigorously rubbing the ball would do the trick. I'd guess the Patriots were smart enough to use warm (very warm?) air prior to equipment check. No rule about internal ball temperature.
Why they don't come out and admit that is beyond me. Take the short term hit about pushing the envelope rather than forever be branded a cheater.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Jan 26, 2015 - 10:59am PT
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PV=nRT
if it was aired up at 70 degrees and it dropped to 30 degrees that would make it drop from 12.5 psi to about 11.6 psi
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steve shea
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Jan 26, 2015 - 11:04am PT
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W.L. is right, at least I have not read this as well. And, it was the Colts who stirred the pot in the first place. I think the whole thing was started by Don Shula who is pissed that Belichik beat his undefeated regular season record. Dolphins 14 Pats 16. But the Pats lost the Piss Poor Bowl.
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John M
climber
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Jan 26, 2015 - 11:13am PT
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Its a bunch of hooey.. now there are reports that other teams had complained throughout the season. It would have been easy as pie for the NFL to do random checks throughout the game to make certain that no one was tampering with the balls How hard would that be? 30 seconds to check a ball. So if they were forewarned and didn't fix it immediately, then as far as I'm concerned the league is as much to blame.
The claim is that the under-inflated balls were discovered at halftime, at which time the Patriots lead 17-7.
Officials then corrected the pressure.
this is how bad the news is…. some reports are that they didn't correct it during halftime.
The way the league is handling this, they look like they are trying to create drama so that more people will watch the game.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 26, 2015 - 11:26am PT
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Who is Tom Brady?
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Slabby D
Trad climber
B'ham WA
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Jan 26, 2015 - 11:29am PT
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It's fascinating how this is turning into a three way game
Roger Goodell vs Seahawks vs Patriots
Seahawks being the ones (ML) who thumb their nose at authority and Patriots (Kraft) being the ones who rub their nose in it. Interesting sort of morality play.
Go HawKS!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 26, 2015 - 11:29am PT
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Doods,get yer priorities right, we're trying to deal with an airplane crash in Yosemite!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 26, 2015 - 11:32am PT
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Doods,get yer priorities right, we're trying to deal with an airplane crash in Yosemite!
More Ganja?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 26, 2015 - 11:51am PT
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Wasn't he the guy who came up with background checks for would be, Kalashnikov owners?
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Jan 26, 2015 - 12:04pm PT
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Try it yourself. There's no way he couldn't tell 12.5 psi from 10.5 psi. I'm not a pro quarterback and I can tell.
And no, unless you inflated the balls in a sauna and played below freezing, you can't lose 2 lbs pressure. Funny the other teams balls met specs...
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