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Andy Fielding

Trad climber

Dec 23, 2014 - 06:22am PT

It's not meant to be a criticism but I wonder how true this statement is.

But for my purpose this underestimation was unimportant since it was constant and therefore would not affect the relative differences between groups.

Are women of different backgrounds whether educated or not more or less likely to report sexual violence? The fact that this happens at all is abhorrent and the key message for me was the following.

We have to stop blaming and shaming survivors, and to start holding perpetrators accountable.

skcreidc

Social climber

SD, CA

Dec 23, 2014 - 06:30am PT

Thanks for posting this up Greg. I would have never seen it if you hadn't have done this.

I thought it was a well thought out piece, Crimpergirl. I have never seen this data pulled together in this way. The findings are not really surprising, but ignored which is the real tragedy. I had my wife and college aged daughter read it and they both agreed and thought it was a good op-ed. Nice job and thank you for doing the piece.

Chris

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The one risk factor that remains consistent whether women are advantaged or disadvantaged is age, and women ages 16 to 20 are sexually victimized at the highest rates.

Changing this will take a major cultural change with males and what it means to be a man, which would essentially "solve" the entire problem.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Dec 23, 2014 - 07:00am PT

Congratulations, Crimpers. Nice work.

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Dec 23, 2014 - 07:02am PT

I am running out the door so this is short.

Andy - in regards to the "reporting" comment. There are two types of reporting. One is reporting to the police. We know that does differ by victim characteristics. Also, for those who do not know, these data are not based on police reports - they are taken directly from people in their homes.

What I'm speaking of in that statement is that to the extent that the NCVS undercounts RSA, it is likely that it undercounts for both college and non-college females equally. Maybe that is not the case... there is no way to know. Still, I don't see a reason that college v. noncollege females would differentially report to the survey.

Hope that helps.

micronut

Trad climber

Fresno/Clovis, ca

Dec 23, 2014 - 07:10am PT

A heartbreaking topic Callie but beautifully put together, well thought out and organized. I have a daughter headed off to college next year, and honestly I have been thinking about it a bit. Your piece takes a broader view of the problem in general and really put things into perspective for me from a humanity standpoint.

I have often wondered where the United States ranks among other countries, and I have always believed that a less developed country like India, Eritrea or the Congo must see higher rates of sexual assault than more developed nations.

Would you assume a greater disparity between developed and undeveloped nations than even here in the socio-economic spectrum you studied here in America?

Again, congratulations on a nice publish and a great article. I hope much good and insight and awareness comes from it.

Scott

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujò de la Playa

Dec 23, 2014 - 07:50am PT

How did you know it before Crimpie's research verified it?

I know it's true because Crimpergirl's research verifed what I already know to be true.

So I guess her research was worthwhile afterall. You'll get a bill for it as a supplement to your property tax bill.

BTW, just how wealthy are you? I ask only to assess your potential for becoming a rape victim.

When confronted by a would-be rapist, just don't put your head down and retreat like a confused football player.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Dec 23, 2014 - 07:57am PT

micronut, aside from Europe any data would be wildly unreliable, at best.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Dec 23, 2014 - 07:58am PT

Well said! Illuminates poorly-lit aspects of an issue society ignores at its peril. As father of a young adult daughter I applaud your dedication to tracking and shining a bright light on violence in our society and its impact on those often least able to defend themselves.

Chiloe

Trad climber

Lee, NH

Dec 23, 2014 - 08:18am PT

Callie's a rising star in her field, actually has been for some time. This NYT piece is a fine step in putting her research to good purpose.

JohnnyG

climber

Dec 23, 2014 - 08:27am PT

Very well done. Congrats.

so does this essentially come down to power? Most of your variables are ways to quantify power (education, wealth, age)

Chiloe

Trad climber

Lee, NH

Dec 23, 2014 - 08:30am PT

Most of your variables are ways to quantify power (education, wealth, age)

Education, wealth, age (and gender) correlate with just about everything. But they stand for a lot more than power.

WBraun

climber

Dec 23, 2014 - 08:37am PT

In rural third world villages there's almost zero crime.

They take care of their own.

Their was rape in the amazon rural village.

They caught them. They were stupid foreigners who thought these people were easy prey.

They ended up hanging by their ankles lowered into the amazon and were eaten alive by the piranha.

You should a seen it, holy fuk !!!!!

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujò de la Playa

Dec 23, 2014 - 08:40am PT

Yikes

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Dec 23, 2014 - 08:40am PT

lol!

MikeL

Social climber

Seattle, WA

Dec 23, 2014 - 09:11am PT

Congrats on the article.

I’m sure you know there are some keen comments on the NYT’s page from readers . . . some of which are quite thoughtful about your methodology, data, explanations for the correlations, as well as policy recommendations. Ward’s view (disparaged by most here on this thread) can be found in the Readers’ Picks list more than a few times (albeit with more explanation).

Perhaps most importantly, IMO, you found a great topic to investigate and write about. It’s attracted a lot of conversation. Diagnosis and conversation IS intervention.

After reading the comments on the page from readers, it might become clear just how difficult it is to pinpoint causes of the problem, as well as fix anything. Everything in samsara is connected to everything else. Pound down on one problem and many others seem to pop up as a result.

Again, congrats.

(How did I come under the impression that you dropped out of the game? Maybe you just moved, hmm?)

Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber

San Francisco

Dec 23, 2014 - 09:58am PT

Congrats! That's awesome!

Seamstress

Trad climber

Yacolt, WA

Dec 23, 2014 - 10:05am PT

The factors listed are not lock-step related. This always stirs me up because of the presumption of privilege that goes along with attending college, or better yet an elite college. News flash - there is actually some diversity in many places in our society where the rich and poor often mingle.

There are three distinct issues that intersect here - sexual assault, the fertile environment for problems that exist at increasingly expensive universities, and the entitled attitude of collegiate athletes. That intersection is receiving a lot of attention, but no one should conclude that the most at risk or only at risk environment is on a college campus. Anyone who thought college campuses were safe hasn't been paying attention.

Applause to pointing out that the risk of sexual assault exists, and may be more prevalent in other environments. The changes in societal norms, attitudes, and behaviors that may lessen that risk in one environment may also be effective in other environments. I'd like to see that the enlightenment occur long before people become of college age.