Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
tinker b
climber
the commonwealth
|
|
|
Dec 20, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
|
my uncle served in the army under patton. he used to tell a story of taking in german soldiers who were surending. patton asked him "why didn't you just shoot them. they are now going to go to a prison camp and eat three meals a day while you sleep in fox holes."
my uncle lost thirty pounds in the war. he was small to begin with.
|
|
WBraun
climber
|
|
|
Dec 20, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
|
Ike starved them to death and killed them all.
Fritz help him.
I found that info deeply hidden in the internet .....
|
|
climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
|
|
|
Dec 20, 2014 - 07:30pm PT
|
I'm pretty sure you can find almost any info somewhere on the internet.
For example.. you can find references to a sacred kitten that actually controls the government of the USA all for the purpose of eventually planting little flowers all over the face of ElCapitan.
Why can you find this reference? Because I just put it there.
|
|
WBraun
climber
|
|
|
Dec 20, 2014 - 07:33pm PT
|
Exactly ^^^^
|
|
Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
|
|
|
Dec 20, 2014 - 10:29pm PT
|
Actually it is a very well known fact that our german POWs often got better food than the GI's up on the line.
I hard an interview of a veteran who was a black GI down at Ft. Hood. He said the German and Italian POWs pretty much could go anywhere they wanted on base. Places off limits to the black GIs.
|
|
graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
|
|
|
Dec 20, 2014 - 11:39pm PT
|
|
|
Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
|
|
|
Dec 21, 2014 - 12:48am PT
|
The topic of history is okay but it seems that the choice of the decade leans to this WW2 rehash.
A far more relevant to climbing in the United States topic, is the history of the treatment of the Native people and the lands that they held sacred.
We should care and learn more about Sitting Bull who was a child climbing prodigy.
We all should care to hear more about the bad Cowboys who did 'Russian duty' for the U.S. army way before World War One and World War Two.
I also like the revisionist history that gets generated by wishful thinking that a saner world could have triumphed in light of some change that did not have a chance of happening.
Moose, can tell you, he will remember being told that everyone was getting killed. The Swells wanted the militaries to wipe each other out, killing as much of the population of Europe along the way as possible.
The goal for the participant in global conflict is??
this is locker ish, - this does feel good
WORLD D0MINATION!!
EDIT: I was just saying. . .
please carry on
the perspective that the Russian goal was anything less than total domination is wrong. Everyone knew it. Only Churchill? wrote anything that pointed to the dangers that an un checked Stalin posed?
|
|
mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
|
|
|
Dec 22, 2015 - 11:00pm PT
|
Dec. 22 bump.
"NUTS AGAIN!"--Gen. A. McAuliffe
|
|
tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
|
|
|
Dec 23, 2015 - 06:47am PT
|
Bump for the brave soles who helped save the world. My last name is Goldsmith. If germany had won the war I would not be here.....
|
|
survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
|
|
|
Dec 23, 2015 - 09:11am PT
|
Brave soles? Yes, their feet were cold....
Reply to moosenazi on page one. Yeah, that sucks about Poland at the end of the war, but Better with an alliance with Hitler? That would not have worked out better for Poland, you'd have been an even bigger part of the genocide machine, and still probably would've ended up occupied by the Communists.
|
|
skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
|
|
|
Dec 23, 2015 - 09:59am PT
|
To the German Commander.
NUTS!
The American Commander
The American Commander did not curse and the Americans had to translate the meaning to the Germans. "In plain english? It means go to hell."
edit:
Take nutagain's suggestion, if you haven't already seen it, and watch the Band of Brothers program. There is an entire disk of interviews as part of the package that is worth the watch alone.
|
|
Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
|
|
|
Dec 23, 2015 - 11:02am PT
|
When Patton and his men started their push they started hearing about the
massacres, Malmedy being the most egregious. It became clear that the SS
troops who spearheaded the attack had orders to take no prisoners so Patton
issued his order that no SS prisoners were to be taken. Joachim Peiper,
The Butcher of Malmedy, survived the war and his 12 years in prison for war
crimes.
So you are saying that Patton was a war criminal and should be referred to as a BUTCHER as well?
Frankly his behavior as a US officer was an embarrassment to America, and remains so. There is no doubt that he was a brilliant military tactician, but he thought of his troops as expendable widgets.
|
|
tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
|
|
|
Dec 23, 2015 - 11:07am PT
|
Patton was an as#@&%e and completely insane but he got the job done.
|
|
guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
|
|
|
Dec 23, 2015 - 11:37am PT
|
Patton
issued his order that no SS prisoners were to be taken.
Read the statement, No SS prisoners....
Tradman... did you see the movie Fury? It is pretty good.
One take away from that movie is this: if SS you die, on the spot, no questions. Other German Troops were handled differently.
We all owe more than we can ever repay to those man and women who sacrificed so much.
|
|
Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2015 - 11:38am PT
|
I have to take issue with the blanket assertion that Patton was an azzhole.
He was an azzhole if you didn't do your job and/or he didn't respect you.
Most of the people who reported to him liked him because they always knew
where they stood with him. Yes, the famous slapping incident was deplorable
but quite the anomaly from what I've read. Patton was the only Allied general
that Rommel respected.
Guy, thank you. Patton accorded regular Wehrmacht prisoners honorable treatment.
|
|
Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
|
|
|
Dec 23, 2015 - 12:09pm PT
|
Bastogne, Taffy 3, Iwo,...
When circumstances demanded it this country rose to the occasion with remarkable courage.
As for hypotheticals, if Hitler hadn't invaded the USSR and hadn't declared war on the US the following December, and if he had left the war to his generals, then Germany would have developed the first nuclear device and today would rule the world.
|
|
TGT
Social climber
So Cal
|
|
|
Dec 23, 2015 - 12:20pm PT
|
First page of a Patton poem.
THROUGH A GLASS, DARKLY
by Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.
Through the travail of the ages,
Midst the pomp and toil of war,
Have I fought and strove and perished
Countless times upon this star.
In the form of many people
In all panoplies of time
Have I seen the luring vision
Of the Victory Maid, sublime.
I have battled for fresh mammoth,
I have warred for pastures new,
I have listed to the whispers
When the race trek instinct grew.
I have known the call to battle
In each changeless changing shape
From the high souled voice of conscience
To the beastly lust for rape.
I have sinned and I have suffered,
Played the hero and the knave;
Fought for belly, shame, or country,
And for each have found a grave.
I cannot name my battles
For the visions are not clear,
Yet, I see the twisted faces
And I feel the rending spear.
Perhaps I stabbed our Savior
In His sacred helpless side.
Yet, I've called His name in blessing
When after times I died.
The rest there
http://www.generalpatton.com/quotes/index5.html
Not a simple guy, brilliant is a more apt descriptor than insane and definitely did not see his troops as expendable.
Christmas card sent on the 8th.
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!