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Watermann2

Big Wall climber
Saluzzo Italia
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 11, 2014 - 08:00am PT
Hello everyone, sorry for the translation (I do not know your beautiful language)
I wanted to ask who is more experienced than me, if the way to Denali CASSIN solo winter is already being attempted by some hikers, (it seems to me that in winter solo nobody has ever succeeded) but I could be wrong, though, to favor some expert knows something climbing or winter attempts on CASSIN, please tell me what do I know that the very strong climber Kirkpatrick, will try to climb the normal route from MCKINLEY (chapeau, large enterprise) But great ANDY, why not climb the Cassin? I'm sure she would make her one of the largest masterpieces of all time !!!
I thank in advance all those who will give me information about the solitary to Route Cassin in winter.

Greetings to all from Italy
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 11, 2014 - 08:12am PT
Denali in winter is incredibly unpleasant. Very few people have the experience to survive intact long term in the temperatures encountered. -30 average on lower mountain and much colder above 14k feet, -60F -50C common. Few trips with even experienced capable groups manage to summit in winter on even the easiest technical routes. Most of those are not attempted in the heart of winter they are done as close to the end of winter as to be technically winter.

Modern climbing gear is not designed to operate effectively at -50F (-45C) and below. Nylon Tents and clothing shred from the slightest nick. Metal gets brittle, A momentary mistake will cause frostbite. Days are VERY short. The simplest tasks are annoyingly difficult and after days quite demoralizing. At -65F most materials start acting even more strangely and break very easily.

Tecnical tasks are hard to do in mittens and the only boots that keep you warm in those temps require being fit very loosely.

The Cassin is enough for most folks in perfect conditions.

I suppose it's doable for the right person. But it would be gawdaful unpleasant and very risky even for them.

clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Dec 11, 2014 - 08:18am PT
Pizza and beer (or wine) is a molto better idea.
crankster

Trad climber
Dec 11, 2014 - 08:20am PT
Suicide.
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Dec 11, 2014 - 08:44am PT
Cassin has only one winter ascent- Jon Waterman, Roger Mear, Mike Young in 1982.
West Rib was soloed in winter 1983 by Dave Staeheli.

Pulling off a winter ascent of a non technical route like the west buttress without getting frostbite is a significant accomplishment. On a technical route on Denali in winter, I put ones odds of sustaining frostbite at near certain. (All three of the above froze their toes).

Having climbed Denali in April, I can't really imagine being up there 2-3 months earlier.

Waterman' story makes clear that they felt lucky to live through it.
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Dec 11, 2014 - 08:45am PT
At one point, something like half of Denali's 'successful' winter ascents involved fatalities, and almost all involved frostbite.
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Dec 11, 2014 - 08:55am PT
Before my time. But I know Mear did the FA of Huntington's east pillar in 1983, a year after the Cassin.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Dec 11, 2014 - 09:18am PT
Bruce, I did a search and it appears that Roger Mear is guiding in Europe and the UK for this company - http://www.jagged-globe.co.uk/search.html?q=roger+mear
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 11, 2014 - 10:10am PT
We saw -40 degrees (ambient) in April at 14k.

Winter + Cassin = F That.

rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Dec 11, 2014 - 10:21am PT
from above comments it sound pretty much un-doable..... but damn, that makes it all the more valuable. ha I love hearing or even thinking about impossible sh#t like this. Chest deep snow drifts, rock hard blue ice.... foam pad cracks to pieces instead of unrolling, winds suck the air out of your lungs. I'll buy a beer for anyone who gives it a go. :)
Ian Parsons

climber
UK, England
Dec 11, 2014 - 10:27am PT
It was actually the East Ridge of Deborah - Dave Roberts' "ribbon on edge" - that Roger Mear climbed in 1983, along with John Barry, Rob Collister and on-route amalgamation with Dave Cheesmond and Carl Tobin. He and Steve Bell did the Huntingdon route in (I'm fairly sure) 1980; I was in The Valley with Steve in the fall of that year, and I'm pretty certain they'd been in Alaska in the spring. Roger's still active - did his third El Cap route last year, 35 years after his first.
Chugach

Trad climber
Vermont
Dec 11, 2014 - 01:09pm PT
ClimbSki2 and I know the first two successful winter solo ascentionists but they were such badasses that their words always floated above me.

We have a mutual friend (TD) who went up one winter solo and came back without a summit. What he said I will always remember; the awesomeness, the desolation, the crushing cold and loneliness, the overwhelming magnitude of Denali alone - it was just too much. I ribbed him a little about not getting higher but it was so obvious in his face that Denali alone in winter was a universe away from my experiences there in the perpetual daylight of summer. It was more his eyes than his words that convinced me Denali solo in winter was too big for my dreams.

Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 11, 2014 - 01:23pm PT
Denali in winter seems a little extreme. Or very extreme.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 11, 2014 - 01:37pm PT
It's one of those things though that if the timing is right.... like Honnold in a few years taking to alpinism, getting married, and then going through a horrible divorce... That might inspire something like Cassin in Winter...
Mr_T

Trad climber
Northern California
Dec 11, 2014 - 02:12pm PT
Is is possible to take out a life insurance policy on any random person?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 11, 2014 - 02:16pm PT
Hey Sandman Todd did 3 trips up there in Winter with 1 solo attempt. He also did a climb on mooses tooth with Mark Westman above. Mark here has done a huge amount of climbing in the range on many of the baddest routes. Todd is one of the most motivated qualified folks I know and it says a lot how he felt up there.

..Winter up there? Never intrigued me though.. lol I grew up in that kind of stuff north of Denali and ..well it holds no allure for me.

How to do it.

Become a solid 5.12 climber and WI G6 Soloer because you dont want to be challenged at all by the climbing. It has to be the least of your problems.

Spend a winter soloing around the brookes range getting gear dialed and specialized. and not dying or getting frostbite. After this hopefully you will think -10degF is T-Shirt weather.

In summer climb the cassin and stash gear including ski's and a solo system at 17k on WB and leave your winter kit with Paul at TAT

That winter hang out on aconcagua for a couple months getting acclimatized and waiting for a weather window on denali...

As soon as you get your window fly immediately to anchorage have Paul pick you up in anchorage and fly you into base camp. Bust ass up the cassin and back down in 72 hours and get the hell out.

Pay fines with NPS for ditching gear at bottom of cassin and caching gear at 17k.

If no permit as might be likely (as NPS would not be happy with your plan) you would have to find a pirate pilot to drop you in the valley of death.Pick ya up at 9.5 or perhaps drive a snowmachine up there.. ,, Hey why not? since you arnt following rules anyway.

Interesting, NPS rules might be the most insurmountable part of the plan. oh and winning the lottery in order to finance this rediculous waste of resources.

Kinda messin with MW here..heh
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Dec 11, 2014 - 05:11pm PT
Ian Parsons, you're right- it was 1980 for Mear and Bell on Huntington. Robb Kimbrough and John Tuckey did a line to the right of theirs in 1983.

StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Dec 11, 2014 - 05:13pm PT
Read the book "Minus 148". If a winter ascent still sounds good, more power to you.


Ciao
yeahman

Mountain climber
Montana
Dec 11, 2014 - 05:34pm PT
Great stories and thread...all it took was a guy who doesn't even speak the language to come along and start it!
Watermann2

Big Wall climber
Saluzzo Italia
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
Thanks to all for your answers and your information.
Thank you very much!
Greetings to all. Goodbye
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Dec 11, 2014 - 10:01pm PT
I think some major dudes dispatched an 8000-meter peak (one of the 'Brums? Broad Peak?) in real-deal winter (i.e. January, not March or April) a few years ago. I believe they found the weather a bit nippy. But if that can be hacked, I suppose Denali is hackable as well.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Dec 11, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
It's gonna be dark.

Check with Simone Moro. He loves winter climbs.
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Dec 11, 2014 - 10:32pm PT
ms55401: i believe you're thinking of moro, richards and urubko on gasherbrum II in february of 2011.

anybody contemplating bullshit like this in winter, should first watch richards' + fogel's movie about that ascent.

it is simply called Cold.

the most powerful, brutally and artfully honest short climbing movie i have seen:

[Click to View YouTube Video]

[definitely worth the money to pay and rent/buy...]
Andy de klerk

Mountain climber
South Africa
Dec 12, 2014 - 10:17am PT
Cold is a great film. One of the best short films ever. G2 in winter was 50
+ below, and Alaska is much much colder. Roger Mears article in Mountain Magazine in the 1980s inspired us all, until we went there in the spring (May/June) and froze our butts off even then.
Any winter ascent of any peak in Alaska is worthy of respect. We toyed with the idea of the moonflower in winter for a while but decided it would be too cold and we went to Hawaii instead.
Good choice!

AdK
Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Dec 12, 2014 - 11:11am PT
Who was that tall, bald character from Talkeetna that tried a winter ascent maybe 10 or so years ago? With a Russian guy I dimly recall? Didn't they get 10 or 15 miles in before callin' 'er good?

I dunno...Cassin in winter solo...no one to hear you scream...be a quiet place to die.

Bitter cold, funky conditions, gear that might not work, large, heavy pack and clothing, and, fairly technical terrain where a mistake would be fatal? Yikes.

Having climbed a small bit in Alaska and Canada in the spring on high, peaks...I can't imagine...hell, my partner and I got frostbit going to the summit of Logan on a windy day in June...
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Dec 12, 2014 - 11:14am PT
I think it was Vern Tejes?
Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Dec 12, 2014 - 11:58am PT
Naw, local Talkeetna character. Created a bit of buzz before his attempt. Came up a bit (!) short...
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Dec 12, 2014 - 04:10pm PT
Brian is talking about Trigger. He's still around Talkeetna, hasn't climbed in years though. His partner was Artur Testov, who along with two other Russians made the earliest season ascent of Denali (and only January ascent) in January 1998.

What separates Himalaya and Alaska winter ascents is not only the shorter days in Alaska but also the total lack of heating quality of the sun during the few hours it's up. March on Denali is still brutal but it is still a far different affair to climb Denali (or any other peak in the range) in January. The psychological aspect is significant.

Puryear and I climbed a new route on Silverthrone around April 1st- when we started approaching from Wonder Lake a week earlier it was hitting 50 below at night. Thankfully it warmed up by the time we climbed. Just trying to drag a sled and make camps in those temps was insane. On my first Denali trip we went up the Muldrow and reached 15,000 feet around April 15th. We were pinned down for four days in one of the worst storms imaginable and the warmest temperature we had at that camp was -40. Every night above 9000 feet it was at least 25 below. This was in April, with 14 hours of daylight! Type 2.5 fun.

Denali in winter...no thank you!
hobo_dan

Social climber
Minnesota
Dec 12, 2014 - 04:33pm PT
I met a guy who was on Denali in March and he said they had a month of -30. I can't even imagine it in winter.
Bargainhunter

climber
Dec 12, 2014 - 05:14pm PT
I recall getting a bit panicky whenever it was below -15F and breezy and we needed to stop to adjust our sleds/packs/gear whatever. This was in June on the West Butt. I kept thinking if my hands got too cold and numb to light the stove, we'd be toast. If we had to spend more than a few minutes dealing with some field repair, out came the shovels and stove to make hot drinks to keep morale and the psych up.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Dec 12, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
The coldest big mountain in the world, with the worst weather and shortest days? Yikes.
Fantasizing the Cassin Ridge in May 20 years ago is the closest I got.
Great wisdom and advice from climbski2 and MarkWestman.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 12, 2014 - 07:44pm PT
Mark Westman

Artur Testov, who along with two other Russians made the earliest season ascent of Denali (and only January ascent) in January 1998

I seem to recall they tried the winter before also...Was that the one where they were really bummed when their hi proof Vodka froze solid?
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Dec 12, 2014 - 08:26pm PT
Yeah, I think they tried twice.
For what it's worth, the year they did succeed, it was during a crazy 'warm' spell for January- if I remember it right, when they summited it was something like -7F. Still, they spent a significant amount of time climbing in darkness, starting as they did in late December.

Lanthade

climber
Dec 12, 2014 - 09:31pm PT
Lonnie Dupre is going for his fourth attempt at the first dead of winter (December/January) solo ascent of the mountain. I'm not sure if he's climbing yet. Last year he turned around at 17K.
hobo_dan

Social climber
Minnesota
Dec 13, 2014 - 07:47am PT
I worked with Lonnie for a year. That guy has a serious expedition jones. I hope he get's up it
Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Dec 13, 2014 - 09:54am PT
Yeah...Trigger...too funny. What a character.

I wonder which is harder, on average? Logan or Denali in the winter?

http://publications.americanalpineclub.org/articles/12198718401/North-America-Canada-Yukon-Territory-Mount-Logan-First-Winter-Ascent

Seems to me, standard climbing season, Logan has harsher weather (based on 7 trips to the AK range and 3 to the St. Elias). But, Logan is only 3 degrees south latitude of Denali but I wonder if being closer to the ocean might afford a bit more warmth in winter...

Sustained cold...that's a special kinda mental toughness (or, illness? Ha ha).

MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Dec 13, 2014 - 10:35am PT
I think Denali is probably more harsh in winter because it tends to get more "arctic" air and, as you mentioned, Logan is closer to the ocean and hence relatively warmer. On the other hand, Logan is susceptible to bigger snowfalls for the same reason.

In Alaska in the winter, the clear spells of weather are typically brought about by an arctic air mass coming down from the north- which on Denali means insanely cold temperatures and, worse, often really strong north winds. That was Lonnie's undoing two years ago, he got to 17 camp and learned from Paul that a big high pressure was coming but it was to bring 60-90 mph winds. Stack that with 50-60 below temps and frostbite is the least of your concerns- survival in the open in those conditions is long odds. Lonnie wisely descended. The wind on Denali in winter is the big killer. In 1989 three world-class, Himalayan seasoned Japanese alpinists were apparently blown completely off the mountain at Denali Pass during what was believed to be 200 mph winds through the pass.

Jon Waterman called it a "cold with claws".
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Dec 13, 2014 - 10:49am PT
Other than the backpack we found at the base, tracks way high on the route, and speculation, nothing was ever determined.
10b4me

climber
Dec 13, 2014 - 11:46am PT
Other than the backpack we found at the base, tracks way high on the route, and speculation, nothing was ever determined.

I thought it was an avalanche.
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Dec 13, 2014 - 01:08pm PT

I thought it was an avalanche.


Sue Nott's pack was found on the surface of the debris fan to the right of the base of the route. The only place on the route where a fall or dropped pack would have sent it here is about 1/3 of the way up the route, at a place where a bivouac would have been likely. But their tracks were found many thousands of feet higher in places that wouldn't have drained to that gully (and if they had, there is no way anything would make it all the way there having to clear 30-50' wide crevasses in a pocket glacier, then making a miraculous bounce into the side gully that feeds the debris fan).

Around the time they likely would have been high on the mountain, the range was hit with a tremendous wind event that lasted about 7 days. My theory at the time was that Sue dropped her pack at 11,000 feet and decided to continue anyway. Near the top they were lost to the storm, either by tunneling inside a snowcave and succumbing to hypothermia (Sue's pack included her sleeping bag which we found), or asphyxiation from burial. Or, they may have set up their tent and were blown off the mountain in it. Or a dual crevasse fall. But there was really no way of knowing for certain.

At the time (2006) that we spotted the tracks at 15,000 feet in the final gully, someone asked me if it was possible that the tracks were those of myself and Joe Puryear, who had made the most recent ascent of the Infinite Spur five years earlier in 2001. The "tracks" were actually 1' tall raised pedestals, indicating that when they were made the snow was deep, then a massive wind event had scoured away the uncompacted snow around them. Jim Nelson and Mark Bebie made the second ascent in 1989 and on their high bivi at 14K, just below this gully, they were beset by a 4 day storm. It snowed 6 feet then 100 mph winds blew all the snow away. After the storm, the tracks they had made into their bivi 5 days earlier were now the same sort of pedestals.

Anyway, I immediately discounted the possibility that the pedestals we saw from the helicopter could have been mine and Joe's.
Then, something interesting happened. In 2009, the NPS, who I was not yet working for, recruited me to help with the aerial search for a missing climber on the west buttress. Part of the search grid included the south and southwest faces, in the event he had skied or fallen off that side during the stormy summit bid from which he never returned. Colin Haley and I had climbed the Denali Diamond route on the southwest face two years earlier, in 2007. The route had not been climbed since then. As our helicopter passed by the face and I shot high res photos for later analysis back in Talkeetna, I was astonished to see the tracks, or rather, pedestals, from Colin and I, rising straight out of the top of the rock band at 16,000 feet and heading straight up the great couloir. Then, there was the snow ledge we had chopped for our bivouac in a side couloir at 16,500', exactly where I remembered it. The pedestals continued to the Cassin. 100% that they were ours- 2 years old. Along with this, old wind scoured tracks appeared on the Cassin from at least the previous year- nobody had yet climbed in the Cassin that season.

The takeaway from this was to make me wonder if Joe's and my tracks could actually have survived 5 years on the upper part of Foraker. If so, that would certainly change my analysis of what might have befallen Sue and Karen. One thing I can say is that we did see depressed tracks in soft snow just above the Infinite's "Black Band" at about 13,500', which could only have been theirs- this area is well below the normal hurricane scour zone of the summit dome and the tracks were clearly recent.

Unless some other physical evidence of them is found, though, I don't think any solid determination can ever be made. But, the wind storm that hit the mountain while they were on it I believe must have been a factor. It was the kind of wind that kills. And presuming that Sue had dropped her pack and continued without it (Sue was a very determined person), they would have been ill-equipped to deal with a prolonged stay at high altitude.

The upper altitude environments of the range have interesting weather patterns: essentially, most of the snowfall high on Denali and Foraker occurs between June and September. In the winter, it essentially all blows away in the winter winds, and it's usually actually too cold to snow up high, since cold air's ability to hold moisture is limited. This is why in early season on Denali the upper mountain is usually hard, blue, and swept clean. And in July, it's often deep and avalanchy.



Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Dec 13, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
Heady stuff, Mark. Thanks for that update.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 13, 2014 - 05:44pm PT
Interesting stuff about those persistent pedestals...
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Dec 13, 2014 - 08:27pm PT
Thanks for that, Mark.

I well remember the article of the first [and only] winter ascent of the Cassin Ridge in Mountain Mag back around 1982. The guys had seven layers on their feet, and still all got frostbite. I remember they started by coating their feet with Mitchum anti-perspirant, and then wrapping their feet with some sort of vapour layer. Do cold weather mountaineers still do this?

Perhaps our resident librarian Steve Grossman could find this article, and scan it for us to read.

Brrrr.... I get cold just thinking about it.

Best of luck to buddy from Italy!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 13, 2014 - 10:17pm PT
Bunny boots are the ones you were thinking of. Inflated rubber bladder boots, You can put strap on crampons on them. They have almost NO ankle support and have flexible soles. Unpleasant to use on moderately steep ground with heavy packs. Depending on the person they can be warm to about 50 below if fit sloppily with enough socks . They are a vapor barrier boot and your feet do get quite wet in them. I seem to recal you could get some outfitted with a sole designed for clip on crampons.


Bunny boots are not the warmest boots made. There are "moon boot" or Mukluk type boots that can be purchased and will keep your feet toasty and dry to 70 below. However they are very sloppy from a technical standpoint and putting strapons on them would cut their warmth immensely and you still would not have enough control for technical climbing.

As far as I know no one has made a good technical boot that can handle 70below with real confidence. (not much of a market I guess) I wouldn't try any technical route without designing a boot for it.

Its a difficult task you will need about an inch to inch and a half of insulation on the sole without sacrificing a stable platform..You will need to hold the foot down onto that platform without compressing the above foot insulation or cutting off circulation. The upper ankle corner would need to be flexible at these temps the whole outer material could not get brittle.

I have been out for extended periods at 65 below. it is possible to stay toasty warm in those conditions. Even too warm..But it is difficult to do tasks and camp due to huge mittens. Oh and if I were to do it again I would clip my eyelashes as they tend to frost and freeze together and close your eyes or freeze to you balaclava(s) and keep them open. If there is any wind at all you can frostbite your eyes. I never did..not sure why? I didn't always wear goggles.

Watermann2

Big Wall climber
Saluzzo Italia
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2014 - 01:46am PT
Good morning everyone.Excuse-me for language.
I think, as he also said the great Jeff Lowe, who climb the great Waterman to Mount Hunter, (also said by LOWE) is the largest solitary climb of all time, I would say even more difficult to do the CASSIN in winter solo( of course is just my opinion). What did the legendary WATERMAN is the greatest masterpiece in the history of solo !


The Hunter climb defies being put in perspective. It was a new route, a first solo ascent of the peak, and the first traverse. The second ascent of John's route has received wide coverage as a very serious undertaking. (See, among other articles, Peter Athans' account in AAJ, 1981.) Who can imagine how it felt to go first and solo? Yet when other superior climbers were concentrating on ever faster and lighter styles, John devoted an INCREDIBLE 145 DAYS( CHAPEAU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to one of the slowest and heaviest climbs in history. He freely admitted to bouts of loneliness, rage, frustration and tears, yet he held himself together, nursed his food supplies, and completed the climb.

Greetings to all and thanks for your answers, Gigi (great admirer of the great super JOHN WATERMAN
Saluzzo Italy.

Six months after the winter outing in the White Mountains, Guy let Snyder take Johnny to Alaska on a climbing expedition to Mount McKinley. The teenager became the third youngest person to stand on the highest point in North America.

The ascent was the first of Johnny's many formidable achievements in Alaska and a moment of crowning pride for his father. Then, in 1978, Johnny produced his masterpiece—a 145-day solo expedition INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on 14,573-foot [4,442 meter] Mount Hunter, the third highest peak in the Alaska Range.

Of that feat, American climber JEFF LOWE once wrote, "There is nothing else in the history of mountaineering with which to compare it." Three years later, Johnny vanished while soloing on McKinley. The grief that seized Guy never really let him go.
Andy de klerk

Mountain climber
South Africa
Dec 14, 2014 - 10:18am PT
Here is Mike Youngs article that was published in Mountain Mag also published in the AAJ

Cassin Ridge in Winter
publications.americanalpineclub.org/articles/12198309300/print
Leading up to the Cassin Ridge is the Japanese Couloir, a 2000-foot, 40°-to-50° gully of rock and .... Personnel: Roger Mear, Jonathan Waterman, Michael Young .
AAC Publications - http://publications.americanalpineclub.org
Cassin Ridge in Winter

Cassin Ridge in Winter

Michael Young, Colorado Outward Bound School

OUR INTENT had been to climb Mount Logan in winter. Seldom visited in summer, we knew of no winter attempts on North America’s second highest peak. Only weeks before we were to leave for the Yukon, our fourth climber opted for warmer activities. The Canadian Park Service refused to let groups of less than four enter Kluane National Park. Even farther north, Mount McKinley was a logical alternative.

McKinley’s first winter ascent was in 1967. In his book Minus 148, Art Davidson details the grim adventure of that ascent where one climber died falling unroped into a crevasse and the rest of the party nearly perished while trapped in a blizzard near the summit for several days. Horror stories like this did not seem to inhibit other winter attempts over subsequent years, but few made it further than the glacier below the mountain. Stories circulated of arctic conditions with sustained 100-mph winds and temperatures of -70°.

Why climb Mount McKinley in the winter with its arctic storms and minimal daylight? After most of the great mountain summits around the world had been climbed, the focus changed to climbing mountains by their most difficult routes. In the 1970s the emphasis changed to “classic” routes in parties of one to four without porters and with lightning speed. A winter ascent of a difficult route in a subarctic region would perhaps further extend the boundaries of mountaineering.

As climbers gain confidence and experience, they often wish to simplify their gear. Ironically, as they improve, they attempt more difficult climbs requiring more sophisticated equipment. During the planning stages for our arctic winter climb we knew that our gear could easily be a limiting factor. Much of it required extensive modifications. Wool and natural fibers were used minimally. We wore polypropolene underwear next to our skin and then a one piece Dumart suit. Covering that we had pile suits. Our outer layer was of double thickness Thinsulate covered with Gore-Tex. Our faces were hidden by goggles, silk and wool balaclavas. In the coldest conditions we used neoprene face masks and a large hood attached to the oversuit. Footwear was our greatest concern. Vapor-barrier boots are warm but too floppy for the difficult climbing we anticipated. We used plastic double boots with vapor-barrier liners and neoprene over-boots. For hand protection we brought thick wool mittens with fiber-filled outer shells.

After the typical last-minute crises of gear sorting, food purchasing and equipment modifications, in the middle of February Roger Mear, Jon Waterman and I made our way to Talkeetna. With only a minimal delay we were flown to the “airstrip” on the southeast fork of the Kahiltna Glacier. As we arrived, a party of four were vacating the airstrip after an unsuccessful attempt on the West Buttress of McKinley. They had struggled with the winds for two weeks only to make it six miles up the glacier. We stashed our things and ourselves in their old snow hole. Eager to test our gear, we attempted to assemble our new large-dome tent. In the severe cold the shock cords lost their elasticity and were unusable. A pole snapped. The tent was retired. Our alternative was Roger’s two-man tent made for people five feet seven. Roger is five feet seven. Jon and I are six feet two.

In surprisingly mild weather (temperatures of -12° to -30° F) we moved up-glacier carrying loads to the base of the Cassin Ridge. We hauled plastic sleds and wore skis with skins. To avoid the cramped quarters of our mini-tent and the winter winds, we routinely dug snow holes. Each day we learned more of the tricks of keeping warm and dry. Our days were broken down into cycles of eight hours of sleep time, ten hours of maintenance tasks and six hours of walking or climbing. Daylight was less of a problem than we anticipated. We had nearly ten hours of traveling light and our small lantern illuminated our snow homes.

Leading up to the Cassin Ridge is the Japanese Couloir, a 2000-foot, 40°-to-50° gully of rock and smooth water ice. We determined to climb the mountain in alpine style. Shouldering enormous packs, we ascended the gully, ignoring the dozens of partly buried and chopped fixed ropes left behind by previous parties. The advent of front-pointing and drooped picks has eliminated the need for fixed lines on nearly all ice routes. The thought of 2000 feet of step-chopping on ten-point crampons seemed awesome to us. At twilight we reached the ridge crest, a knife-edged cornice, dropping away to the glacier 2000 feet below us. We traversed to a rock buttress providing a two-foot ledge over 30 feet in length. Fatigue tempered our concerns about our exposed bivouac site. Too soon it was time to melt chunks of snow and ice for breakfast cocoa.

The technical crux of the climb presented itself to us early the next morning. For years climbers have argued about the difficulty of the rock on the Cassin. It is frequently described as 5.7 or 5.8. As we grunted and scraped our way with crampons over the granite slabs wearing 70-pound packs, I was sure the climb was easily 5.10. In Yosemite wearing EBs on a summer day it might be graded as 5.1.

The long nights gave us time to discuss many things, including the difference between winter and summer climbing in subarctic regions. Despite the weakness of the sun, icefalls still released blocks the size of trucks with about the same frequency as in summer. The snow on the glaciers was predictably less packed in winter but above 11,000 feet there were no consistent differences. The ridge itself was mainly blown clear of new snow and the clutter and waste of previous parties was grossly apparent. During our month the most profound contrast with summer was that the temperatures never warmed to above -12° F. There was seldom a time when we could sit outside comfortably for more than a few minutes. Our sleeping bags became crusty and meticulous attention to clothing was needed to stay dry. Discipline is needed to avoid frostbite to the extremities and it was only moments of inattention that brought me superficial frostbite later on the trip.

Above the rock ridge, the route narrowed to an aręte of rock and snow. We moved steadily across the aręte kicking steps under the brilliant sun until mid-afternoon when we uncovered a crevasse for our evening headquarters. In another two days we reached 16,000 feet and were able to make contact with a CB operator named Kansas Sunflower who lives just north of Anchorage. He relayed our progress and departure plans on to our pilot. Roger and I spent that night in the tent and Jon slept outside in his bivouac sack ecstatically describing the brilliant northern lights sweeping across the mountain. Satisfied with his description, I burrowed further into my sleeping bag.

Most of the climbing above 16,000 feet on the Cassin is on moderate snow-and-ice slopes. Up to that point we had moved together through the technical terrain placing occasional runners and infrequent belays, perhaps more out of habit than logic or need. Weaving in and out of the rocks in the ice gullies over short rock ramps reminded me of Scottish winter climbing. On the final 4000 feet to the summit we abandoned extra gear and, unroped, we walked up the final steep slope.

Gaining several thousand feet of altitude a day, we were far from fully acclimatized. Except when confronting freeze-dried dinners, my appetite was good and I was able to sleep at night. Sleeping fully clothed has its advantages. Morning departures, however, were slowed by our cramped tenting quarters and inertia. We had one tent for the three of us. One by one, we put on our boots while those waiting savored another few moments of warmth in their sleeping bags.

On our fifth evening on the ridge we chopped out a small platform among rocks covered with rime ice. Jon was not feeling well and woke up with a nightmare about suffocation. The next morning was clearly our coldest but the thermometer was lost or broken. Roger and I both complained of numb toes and started up the slope. In about 30 minutes we reached the summit ridge. Dropping our packs the two of us walked up the 400 feet to North America’s highest point. Approaching the summit cornice I briefly reminisced about broken relationships, family and the green world below. I noted the bamboo and aluminum rods staking out the highest snow block. Instead of exultation I felt irritation at earlier climbers for marring a sculpture finer than any art work.

Back at our packs we saw Jon struggling up the last few hundred feet to the summit ridge. I walked down to him and relieved him of his pack. He was too fatigued and we were too cold for him to climb the final section to the summit. We started down the West Buttress route. Jon resembled a man living a nightmare with sunken eyes staring at the ground. He took prolonged rest stops while Roger and I danced up and down to stay warm. At 17,200 feet we camped in brilliant sunshine. During the night the weather deteriorated. In near white-out conditions we broke camp. Jon was still suffering from fatigue. I helped him dress and pack while Roger organized the group gear. Roger walked with Jon encouraging him on while I fumbled ahead looking for wands and the best footing down the windy descent route. Jon stated that he would descend no further than the crevasse at 15,000 feet. Since we had only one day of food and fuel, Roger and I independently concluded that we would have to leave him if he refused to move further down-glacier. We were spared that choice when we spotted a party moving up the glacier. Five British mountaineers shared an enormous snow cave with us that night, as well as the English cooking that horrifies the world. Jon recovered his strength during the night. He felt that he had been suffering from pulmonary edema, but it may have been other forms of acute mountain sickness with nausea, lassitude and fatigue. His respiratory rate and pulse were normal, he had normal airway sounds and was able to sleep at night with his head lower than his feet.

Our longest day was after leaving the British party and walking the 12 miles back to the airstrip. The final mile was sadly uphill. I wore snowshoes picked up from a previous camp to protect my toes which were beginning to blister with frostbite. Ahead of me Roger and Jon post-holed but moved steadily ahead with the patience of Job.

The airstrip in summer is often a tent-city with as many as several hundred temporary residents. Except for a forlorn wooden pole guarding the entrance of our snowcave, the glacier was deserted. We dug our way down to our subterranean home where bagels and a canned ham formed our victory dinner. Exhaustion dulled our sense of accomplishment. Decreased mutual dependency diminished our tolerance for each other’s oddities. Irritably we tolerated each other’s presence over the next few days waiting for the plane. Incredibly, our pilot flew in late one afternoon, dropping off three Spaniards who hoped to climb the north face of Hunter. Later we found that he had shouted down our snow hole but the snores of two sleeping climbers and the sounds of a walkeman radio drowned out his call. He flew away believing us still on the mountain.

After five days of waiting, Roger went with one of the Spaniards to rescue gear abandoned up-glacier. Less than a mile from Base Camp, he fell 30 feet into a crevasse, tearing knee ligaments. The Spanish climbers hauled him back to camp. Jon, like me, was nursing frostbitten toes. And so we three cripples sat in our snow cave with its blackened ceiling from the lantern smoke, eating macaroni and cheese. The following day another pilot, flying up glacier to rescue gear from an airplane that had crashed earlier that winter, spotted our huge S.O.S. and initiated our evacuation to civilization.

Summary of Statistics:

Area: Alaska Range.

First Winter Ascent: Mount McKinley, 6193 meters, 20,320 feet, via Cassin Ridge; on the glacier and mountain from February 17 to March 13, 1982, on the Cassin Ridge from February 27 to March 4, 1982.

Personnel: Roger Mear, Jonathan Waterman, Michael Young.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Dec 14, 2014 - 10:58am PT
I actually had to go upstairs and pour myself a hot cup of coffee, then burrowed under the covers before reading the story above!

Good grief - did they really climb the route without any down clothing? Why? Did they fear it would get wet, and use synthetic instead. Polypro underwear had just been invented then. Thinsulate certainly wasn't very warm. In the early 80's, freeze-dried food was appalling, not the tasty dish it is today.

And then, after all that, to have to sit on the glacier for FIVE days before flying out! Oh my gosh, what a nightmare that must have been. The pilot even shouted down their snow cave, but they didn't hear him.

What an epic. Holy frig. Unbelievable they made it, really. Probably one of the greatest ascents ever in North American mountaineering.

So you're really going to give this thing a go, Gigi??? Mama mia - that's-ah spicy meatah-ballah!
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Dec 14, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
Jon Waterman's account of the ascent, which was an essay titled "The Winter of My Discontent", and which is contained within his fantastic book In the Shadow of Denali, is a riveting and very personal version of events.

In Waterman's story, the person named everywhere else as "Michael Young" (including the AAJ ref that Andy De Klerk posted above) is referred to as "Will Sayre". Does anyone know why that is? If you read the account, Waterman goes into very great detail describing his long and competitive friendship with Sayre/Young that started as youth in New Hampshire but which was ultimately ruined on this winter ascent. I always wondered if Waterman used an alias due to the personal details...or did Michael Young once go by the name of Will Sayre?

In the preface to In the Shadow of Denali, Waterman concludes with this poignant and telling statement:

I have already written a great deal about Denali. The mountain is clearly finished with me. Veteran Everest climbers have reportedly formed an Everest Anonymous group, whereby they vow never to return to the mountain again, or else face the penalty of paying the group $1000. I have a simpler solution. I refer to the words that I wrote while stranded with frostbite inside a Denali snow cave on March 9, 1982. It was thirty degrees below zero outside. My partners and I had just climbed the Cassin Ridge. My thoughts are preserved as a scrawl on the inside of a granola box, and the ink has run in places, but it's still legible:

"I don't think I've ever suffered so much in my life and I decided a week before the climb (on the glacier approach) that I would do everything I could to get up but afterward I would do something a little different with my life...Now I'm a little worried because I know about the flood of feelings; fine joyous moments and bliss and glow of after exertion and ego; those sensations that seem to envelop me after a big mt.; I'm afraid that I'll lose my resolve and just put all my energy into another big trip and become stupidly obsessed again- missing all those things other people have like a steady girlfriend, a place to live. (Also I'm concerned that I'll get killed if I keep doing trips like this one because there is no margin for error here at all). I miss greenness and real food and telemarking and just being comfortable....."

Just one quick read is all I need to keep me out of the shadow.
-Jonathan Waterman

Andy de klerk

Mountain climber
South Africa
Dec 15, 2014 - 10:54am PT
It's called passion. High Alaska, the book, is a bible for many, me included.

I've often wondered about the subliminal connection that Jon had with the crazy John, and I've always admired Jon's writing and his ability to describe Alaska so beautifully.

I'll investigate this Mike Young alter ego thing and report back here. It has always intrigued me why their winter climb of Denali (since I was a teenager lapping up the Mountain Magazine articles 30 years ago) was so baldly and unemotionally described. I always took it at face value like we climbers normally do, but maybe there is more that we don't know or can't ever know. Might not be a bad thing.

What we do have though is a whole lot of respect. For bold ascents in hard conditions, and clear writing. I have enjoyed all of Jon Watermans books because they are keepers. Here is a 2011 review of "In the Shadow of Denali"

While all the “Shadow of Denali” chapters are worthy, three stand out. It’s no coincidence that all three delve deep into humanity and interpersonal relations. It happens that by chance or destiny (depending on your world-view), Jon shares his name with the “Other John Waterman.” This doppelganger prompts our Jon Waterman to dig into the psyche of a man (the other) for whom mountains became an illness. This obsessed other Waterman, after doing perhaps the longest and boldest solo climbs ever, climbed alone to his doom. If that is not enough (and it’s not), Jon devotes a chapter to that famous Denali death climb covered in the classic book “Hall of the Mountain King.” But instead of endless picayune analysis of the climb, Jon speaks of two survivors (competing leaders) who have to live with the deaths of seven men. Heady stuff. Then, for the third chapter in his core trilogy, Jon gets into his own most powerful Denali experience, his unprecedented winter ascent of the Cassin Ridge.
The Cassin chapter is called Winter of our Discontent, and you’ll reach for your parka while you turn pages. Come to think of it, after my read is when I gave up extreme winter climbing and nailed my ice tools to the garage wall as objects-de-art. The story starts out innocently enough. Jon splinters his leg ice climbing in New Hampshire, but bounces back and becomes an ice animal. He and his friends revel in winter. They climb ice gullies nude. They practically tear Mount Washington to pieces with their axes and crampons.
Naturally, it all leads to friendship and the ultimate challenge: Denali in winter. You can feel it. You debark a bush plane on a deep-freeze glacier, and step into a nightmarish world of thirty-below-zero dusk. You burrow into the ice like shell shocked infantry in no-man’s-land. You crap your nest. You climb. You wait for a wind that will kill you sure as a direct shell hit. You sicken. You’re dying. Your friends must abandon you or perhaps die as well. Read it.

MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Dec 15, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
It's called passion. High Alaska, the book, is a bible for many, me included.

+1, Andy! High Alaska, and Waterman's writing in general, instilled me with a deep respect and healthy fear of these mountains at a young age, at the same time as it got me psyched to work up to the biggest routes.



I'll investigate this Mike Young alter ego thing and report back here. It has always intrigued me why their winter climb of Denali (since I was a teenager lapping up the Mountain Magazine articles 30 years ago) was so baldly and unemotionally described. I always took it at face value like we climbers normally do, but maybe there is more that we don't know or can't ever know. Might not be a bad thing.

Thanks, I'll be curious what you find out. Waterman's account is as much about the damage to his friendship with Young as it is about the climb. Waterman admits in the book that he was revealing the sorts of discord that generally "stays in the mountains", and yet it seems an unavoidably critical element of telling the story. Their thorny relationship with all of its competitiveness seems ironically like it was critical to feeding the intense drive that ultimately got them onto and up the route, and to their survival.

What we do have though is a whole lot of respect. For bold ascents in hard conditions, and clear writing. I have enjoyed all of Jon Watermans books because they are keepers.

Big respect. I am glad those guys did the Cassin in winter so that no one else really has to! I've read In the Shadow many times over and it never gets old, the stories always resonate.


hobo_dan

Social climber
Minnesota
Dec 15, 2014 - 06:14pm PT
Read Breaking Point by Glenn Randle for some stuff on the Waterman's 145 days on Hunter.
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Dec 15, 2014 - 07:51pm PT
Breaking Point is a great book. It's been out of print forever and is now very hard to find.
Randall and Metcalf were instrumental in bringing the alpine style ethic to the big routes of the Alaska Range.
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Dec 15, 2014 - 08:34pm PT
Breaking Point is superb. Does anyone go to that side of Hunter these days? I recall seeing an unclimbed couloir around there that looks like it could go

has SE Spur even had a third ascent?
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Dec 15, 2014 - 08:54pm PT
Mount Hunter South Side Ascents:

Southeast Spur- 3 ascents:
1) John Waterman (solo) 1978 (All three summits of Hunter, descended Northeast Ridge)
2) Peter Metcalf, Glenn Randall, Peter Athans, 1980 (Alpine style) (Summit plateau, descended west ridge)
3) Jeff Benowitz, Rick Studley, 1997, to north summit, descended west ridge

South Ridge- 3 ascents
1) John Waterman, Dean Rau, Don Black, David Carman, 1973 (small point just below south summit, descended the same route)
2) Ed Hart, Simon Richardson (new start variation), 1986 (to north summit, descended west ridge)
3) Mark Westman, Forrest Murphy, 2003 (south summit, descended west ridge)

Corliss-Taylor (buttress between South Ridge and Southeast Spur)- 1 ascent
1) Greg Corliss and Rick Taylor, 2001, to south summit, descended southwest ridge

Southeast Ridge- 1 ascent
1) Paul Corwin, Paul Harrison, Dan Crowley, Chris Walker, John Cleary, Dave Hawley, to south summit, descended same route

A friend of mine from Fairbanks attempted the south ridge two years ago but they didn't make it far.

The south ridge is one of my most treasured Alaska climbing experiences- partly because it gave me all I ever needed with respect to corniced ridges and I'm pretty sure I'll never do something like that again! God what a place though!


nah000

climber
no/w/here
Dec 15, 2014 - 10:06pm PT
without exaggeration, this is one of the greatest threads on st in quite some time...

thanks to everyone who's posted but especially to MarkWestman, climbski2 and Andy de klerk for taking the time to drop some serious knowledge bombs...
sac

Trad climber
Sun Coast B.C.
Dec 15, 2014 - 10:47pm PT
Agreed.

Much thanks to the contributors.

Appreciated
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Dec 16, 2014 - 02:18am PT
My wife called them "Mouse Boots", as in Mickey Mouse.
They were surplus from the Korean War.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Dec 16, 2014 - 02:31am PT
The story starts out innocently enough. Jon splinters his leg ice climbing in New Hampshire, but bounces back and becomes an ice animal. He and his friends revel in winter. They climb ice gullies nude. They practically tear Mount Washington to pieces with their axes and crampons.
Mike Young was the caretaker of the HMC Cabin in Huntington Ravine on Mt. Washington from October 1976 - April 1, 1977. He wrote:
With Jon Waterman, the caretaker at Tuckerman Ravine, I made mid-January nude ascents of Yale and Pinnacle Gullies, evoking memories of the Vulgarians.
Perhaps due to my painful knuckles, my climbing speed increased during the winter. Jon and I thwacked our way up Pinnacle in five minutes, and we succeeded in climbing all the gullies twice in five hours. Later I discovered I had broken two fingers.
As for why Jon used the pseudonym for Mike, I don't know.
Maybe ask him?
http://jonathanwaterman.com/index.php/contact
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 16, 2014 - 07:32am PT
Mickey Mouse boots are more properly the black ones. They are lighter and are not as warm. (I've only seen a few pairs of the black) But the terms are often used interchangeably.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Dec 16, 2014 - 11:40am PT
Breaking Point was an excellent read. Too bad I let go of my copy several years ago.
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
Dec 16, 2014 - 01:26pm PT
I used to read 'Breaking Point' once a year. It is indeed a magnificent read. Randall uses foretelling as a great literary tool.
Stevee B

Trad climber
Oakland, CA
Dec 16, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
Outstanding thread, thanks to all the contributors.
Ezra Ellis

Trad climber
North wet, and Da souf
Dec 18, 2014 - 02:42am PT
This is why I still come to this site, fantastic y'all!
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Dec 23, 2014 - 02:50pm PT
for our armchair viewing pleasure:

you can follow Lonnie Dupre's solo winter attempt as it currently unfolds at oneworldendeavors.com.


[Click to View YouTube Video]
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
Dec 26, 2014 - 09:55am PT
Mike Young was the caretaker of the HMC Cabin in Huntington Ravine on Mt. Washington from October 1976 - April 1, 1977. He wrote:
With Jon Waterman, the caretaker at Tuckerman Ravine, I made mid-January nude ascents of Yale and Pinnacle Gullies, evoking memories of the Vulgarians.
Perhaps due to my painful knuckles, my climbing speed increased during the winter. Jon and I thwacked our way up Pinnacle in five minutes, and we succeeded in climbing all the gullies twice in five hours. Later I discovered I had broken two fingers.
As for why Jon used the pseudonym for Mike, I don't know.

What is also interesting is the name he chose for the pseudonym, Will Sayre. Woodrow Wilson Sayre led a four-man team on an illegal and unsuccessful attempt on the north side of Mount Everest in 1962. His excellent book is 'Four Against Everest.'
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 26, 2014 - 10:25am PT
Wow, great cross reference! Forgot about that proud effort.

Here's Sayre's obit from the Martha's Vineyard Gazette:

Woodrow Wilson Sayre
briham89

Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
Dec 26, 2014 - 12:58pm PT
Really no one???

YER




























GONNA





































BE COLD!!!





Cool thread (no pun intended) carry on...
carlos gallego

Ice climber
Spain
Dec 27, 2014 - 09:59am PT
Yes... Denali is cold -very cold- in winter.
I am one of the spaniards -with my friends M.A.Vidal and Ángel Vedo- that met, those days of 1982, Waterman, Mear and Young.
This was an amazing history for us.

This is the history, in spanish.

http://montanayalpinismoclasico.blogspot.com.es/search/label/Alaska...%20donde%20nace%20el%20fr%C3%ADo%20II

carlos gallego

Ice climber
Spain
Dec 27, 2014 - 10:28am PT
We tried but was not possible; one avalanche buried part of our equipment at the base.
We helped the succesful team of Cassin route, saw their frostbites and we thought the cold maybe would be very hard in that face, so we gave up.
EdwardT

Gym climber
Discontent
Dec 29, 2014 - 05:25am PT
From 12/27


Lonnie Dupre making progress on the upper Kahiltna glacier, he is planning on making it to the 10,200ft camp today.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 29, 2014 - 07:17am PT
Awesome shot! Should start a new thread with that photo...
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 29, 2014 - 08:19am PT
What a fantastic shot. He is at 11-2 now.

http://www.oneworldendeavors.com/#!news/c1fvs
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Dec 30, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
has anyone gone into the Alaska Range for big-wall-style soloing? like maybe in the Ruth Gorge or Kichatna Range?
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Dec 30, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
Dupre doing really well. Hopefully, he gets it this time.
briham89

Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
Dec 30, 2014 - 04:17pm PT
Wow that is crazy
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Jan 2, 2015 - 09:45am PT
Dupre finally was able to get down to his food cache and have his first meal in 5 days.... The weather and conditions are unseasonably warm.

Dolomite

climber
Anchorage
Jan 2, 2015 - 09:59am PT
Alyeska is open, sort of. There is no snow on the lower mountain, so you have to ski from the top of Chair 6 down to the tram and do laps up there. It's ridiculous. 43 degrees F in Anchorage yesterday. Shifting to colder today but no snow on the horizon for the next six weeks. 2014 was the first year in recorded history that we didn't get as low as 0 degrees. However, the AK Range in winter is always freakin wintry.
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Jan 2, 2015 - 10:44am PT
I used to always place a spare beacon with my food caches on Denali. Made finding them in poor weather a lot easier!
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Jan 3, 2015 - 08:32pm PT
Denali at 2:30 this afternoon from Kahiltna Basecamp.
Flew jump seat with Paul Roderick today as he dropped off another solo climber (South African) heading up the West Buttress.
15 below F in the shade.

bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
Jan 3, 2015 - 11:20pm PT
^^^^^^^^^ Stunning!

Mark, thanks for posting up!
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Jan 4, 2015 - 12:18am PT
A few more to capture the winter ambiance.

Nice light on the Kahiltna Icefall:


The warmest and sunniest time of the day at Kahiltna Basecamp this time of the year:


Back on topic, here is the CASSIN IN WINTER:


The fuzz in the left side of the photo is blowing snow. Fairly strong north wind outflow event going on today (which is what brings the cold air in).
Watermann2

Big Wall climber
Saluzzo Italia
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 4, 2015 - 12:30am PT
Congratulations Compliments Mr.MarkWestman Beautiful photos
Chapeau !!!
Many Regards
neverwas

Mountain climber
ak
Jan 4, 2015 - 02:00am PT
The fuzz in the left side of the photo is blowing snow. Fairly strong north wind outflow event going on today (which is what brings the cold air in).

Saw those snow plumes from Fairbanks today, just about the same time, blowing off the N & S summits and Foraker.
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Jan 11, 2015 - 07:25pm PT
Lonnie Dupre made the top of Denali at just after 2 PM local time today.

First January solo of Denali, second January ascent overall (the first being by Russians in 1998).




Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Jan 11, 2015 - 07:34pm PT
Congrats to Lonnie!

Thanks for the sublime images Mark!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 11, 2015 - 07:40pm PT
I'll save my congrats till he is back in Talkeetna. Lot of mountain to get back down solo. I'm sure he will be fine but it ain't over at all yet.

He is back to 17 camp so far.
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Jan 11, 2015 - 08:01pm PT
Yeah, it ain't over yet. Gotta get down safely now.

Like the Russians in '98 he picked a good year to try, it's been so freaking warm up here this winter. It's been barely getting below freezing at night here in Talkeetna the past couple nights.


Andy de klerk

Mountain climber
South Africa
Jan 12, 2015 - 11:38am PT
Thanks for the beautiful photos Mark!
Good luck to Lonnie for the way down
Good luck to Willem for the way up
-15F on Denali at SE fork of the Kahiltna
33 degrees centigrade in Cape Town (96F) when these pics were taken
Love it!
MarkWestman

Trad climber
Talkeetna, Alaska
Jan 12, 2015 - 12:10pm PT
Timing is everything. Lonnie totally nailed it!
About a week ago we had the only arctic air mass of the entire winter settle in on us, and it lasted only four days. Lonnie was at 11,000 camp during that event- much better than being up high! Before that we had two days of pouring rain in Talkeetna, and the last few days it has felt like Seattle here, upper 30's and barely freezing at night. When Paul and I flew in January 3rd, it was colder at basecamp than it was at 10,000 feet, according to the airplane thermometer, there was an inversion. The Chulitna and Susitna rivers are still wide open in huge stretches, which tells the story of this winter.

The January Russian ascent in 1998 also had above normal temperatures, it was something like -7F on the summit the day they topped out- that sounds cold but that is phenomenally warm for January at that altitude!!

That said, when Paul flew over the upper mountain last night, he said the winds over the summit looked totally brutal, Lonnie's summit day must have been burly. Big respect to Lonnie for fulfilling his dream, and keeping fingers crossed for his safe descent. I'm guessing he's not wasting any time coming down.

Edit: the solo climber from South Africa that we flew in on the 3rd, flew back out the next day. He wasn't feeling well.
clanger

Trad climber
UK
Jul 8, 2015 - 05:02am PT
Solo the Cassin in winter! An interesting idea. Stumbled on your thread.

Great question Watermann2 (are you related to JW?).

Thought I add my two penneth worth.

Mike Young, Jon Waterman and I did the Cassin in February. It was, I think, the second winter ascent of the mountain and the only winter ascent of the Cassin. The trip was not as many suppose - hell, rather the opposite. Going into such an environment is not necessarily unpleasant, in much the way that I imagine doing a space walk is 'not unpleasant'. Such terms do not mean very much in this context. However, if things do go wrong you are in trouble - toast. If this metaphor can be applied to such temperatures.


Jon had a very hard time high on the mountain and perhaps should not have been there. He had been down with a viral infection a couple of weeks before and he really did not acclimatise. Both he and Mike unknowingly developed server frostbite in their feet (to beyond the toes) while I had none. The reason I escaped I think was simply boot size. Mike and Jon wore boots a size bigger than their normal mountain boot size while mine were size 9 for my size 7 feet.

Of all the expeditions I've been on the Cassin in winter is the only one I would not repeat, not because it wasn't fun, it was. Having Denali to yourself is VERY exciting. But because you have little or no control over the outcome. Unroped soloing is high risk, but the risk is subjective and largely in your control. The risk on Denali in winter is not falling off the climb but Denali deciding that it does not want you there.

We succeeded on the Cassin because we were naive and because the mountain was kind.



climbski2 has it right. Materials do not behave. Hold a flame to the pool of petrol on the MSR and nothing happens. Plastic boots snap. We had to cut 2 inches off the tent poles as the fabric shrank.

Am I glad to have been on Denali in winter, without doubt yes.

Just don't go there.


in answer to 'Pass the Pitons' Pete

We did of course have down gear, the best we could get, its under the Thinsulite suit.
Boots - no not Bunny Boots - can you Imagine front-pointing in those. We used Biiiiiiiig Koflachs with Avolite inners, extra foam insoles and 40 Below overboots. Silk liner socks, VB liner and then two layers of thick sock and anti-perspirant cream.

ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jul 8, 2015 - 06:44am PT
Cassin in February, with just a small team, sounds like fully cutting the umbilical cord. Nice shots.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 8, 2015 - 06:47am PT
Thanks for taking the time to tell us about that trip! Did any of you have trouble with cracking or other things on the Koflachs?

I too think I'd heard you guys used Bunny boots on the Cassin..To be honest I was as impressed with a Cassin bunny boot ascent as anything else.. I couldn't imagine it.. ha..no surprise that was incorrect.

I suppose unpleasant is a subjective term.. What conditions did you guys run into?

Watermann2

Mountain climber
Saluzzo Italia
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 8, 2015 - 07:14am PT
Good Morning Mr "Clanger" I think you're the GREAT Mr. ROGER MEAR!Honored for Your response. She did one of the greatest masterpieces of the history of the world of all time !!! After you no other climber is able to repeat the Cassin in winter !!!
CHAPEAU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you and congratulations for the beautiful photos, certainly in a great mountain like DENALI, climb the Cassin route in winter should be like going to the moon, but much more difficult, an extraordinary thing !!!!!!!!!! ! And thanks for talking to your technical equipment (of course, now it would have provided better equipment, for those terrible places, where temperatures reach 50, up to 70 degrees below zero Celsius, and winds terrible !!!!! !!!!!!!!!
Many thanks for YOUR response and for the beautiful photos, and many congratulations to her on her masterpiece !!!!!!





In March of 1982, three competent
Alaskan climbers not only made the first
winter ascent of the Cassin, but the second
winter ascent of Denali as well. The ascent
was completed by Jonathan Waterman,
Roger Mear, and Mike Young. Waterman
stated they wanted to “push the limits
by climbing alpine style on a technically
difficult route in subzero conditions.”
On March 7, after eight days of climbing

Ps. I know the great Waterman, (unknown in Italy) only after reading INTO THE WILD, and I was astounded, amazed, stunned by what he had done on Mount Hunter in winter solitary, an incredible thing !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
clanger

Trad climber
UK
Jul 8, 2015 - 08:39am PT
I presume you guys know that there are two Waterman's. - John and Jonathan - Hunter and Hummingbird.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 8, 2015 - 08:41am PT
Watermann2 not sure if you know this or not.

There are two different J. Waterman. Both climbed extensively in the Alaska Range. One is named John Waterman and is the one who did the solo on Hunter. Another is Jonathan Waterman and he did the Cassin in winter. It can get confusing.

I hope this makes sense after the translation.
Dolomite

climber
Anchorage
Jul 8, 2015 - 09:33am PT
Great photos, Roger, thanks for posting them. Jon wrote a great piece on that climb, called "Aurora." It's printed in Best of Ascent. Highly recommended.
Watermann2

Mountain climber
Saluzzo Italia
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 8, 2015 - 11:03am PT
Good Morning Mr. Climbski2
Is the truth, I thought they were the same person, I apologize!
I apologize, but I was actually a bit confusing (sorry) It 's true, I thought JOHNNY Waterman was also called JOHN.---Johnny Waterman is my great idol (The big winter ascent to Mount Hunter, with 145 bivouacs, incredible) Instead , another GREAT mountaineer who has climbed in winter the Cassin route to Denali is called JONATHAN Waterman (I hope I have said exact) I apologize for the confusion Thank you very much for having come to the aid, but having trouble with the language, sometimes I do not understand well!
Many greetings and thanks from Italy.

Ps. Here, it is very hot, we have exceeded 40-42 degrees Celsius
104-107 Fahrenheit

Johnny Waterman was the "crazy genius" of Alaskan mountaineering, an untamed eccentric who pulled off one of climbing's most audacious feats—a five-month solo ascent of Mount Hunter. Then he vanished into the northern wilderness. Young men go into the mountains all the time to discover themselves and to propitiate the ghosts of their fathers, but it's the rare father who goes into the mountains to join the ghost of his son.

Guy Waterman died on a winter evening on a mountain ridge in New Hampshire. He was 67 years old, a climber, a homesteader, an author widely known in New England outdoors circles. He was also the father of three sons, and he believed in the peculiarly American myth that says there is something between fathers and sons that can be understood only in the context of wilderness.
Willy30

Ice climber
San Francisco, CA
Aug 28, 2016 - 04:28pm PT
Guys, this is sick. I mean really sick. At leas for me.
I don't think I will ever be able to perform such thing. Are you kidding me?

OK, easy now :) I am a beginner yet.

Can anyone help me choose the right water filter for 2-3 say hiking trips from here: http://campingandcamping.com/8-best-backpacking-water-filter-reviews-tips/ ?

Thanks
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