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i'm gumby dammit
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da ow
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Nov 28, 2014 - 09:37pm PT
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The police were told that someone was pointing a gun at people.
The kid went for his gun when then police arrived.
BOOM!
End of story. And for some reason you seem to be ok with that. Even applaud it.
Yes, his pointing the gun at people was wrong. But when the cops pulled up there were no other people around. There was no imminent danger to anyone. If the gun was real the only people in danger were the cops and they didn't have to be there
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i'm gumby dammit
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da ow
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Nov 28, 2014 - 10:24pm PT
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It is obvious that most of you have never been in a situation where lethal force was called for. Obvious youve not stared down a barrel of a gun pointed at you nor wore a uniform that literally made you a target.. You may be correct, but that has no bearing here whatsoever since this was clearly not a case where lethal force was called for.
His parents should be neutered. See what happens when sex education is kept out of the classrooms.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
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Nov 28, 2014 - 10:43pm PT
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The man who called 9-1-1 told a dispatcher the gun may not be real and the person who carried it was "probably a juvenile."
That information was not given to the officers. If it turned out reverse, that the dispatch said it may be a toy gun, but it was actually a real one, people could have been shot and killed.
I ain't pro police - they are just criminals dressed up in a uniform/ badge, but to monday morning quarterback, and say illogical bs is stupid.
If the 911 caller was such an expert, he should have sacked up and gone down there to find out if the gun was real or not.
That's not the job of the dispatcher.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Nov 28, 2014 - 10:45pm PT
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THE ONLY mistake made was by the youngster who was pointing a weapon at people he didn't even know. He was begging for the result he got.
You've got one to two seconds to react when a gun is pointed at you. One or two lousy seconds, then you had better make your play.
His parents should be neutered
Says the guy who shot his brother with a weapon when he was young.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Nov 28, 2014 - 10:47pm PT
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THE ONLY mistake made was by the youngster who was pointing a weapon at people he didn't even know. He was begging for the result he got.
He also made the mistake of being born black, which made him over 21 times more likely to die at the hands of police.
True, but the situation was what it was. No he wasn't a red-headed freckly 10 year old Irish kid. He was black, had a firearm being brandished in public, pointed it at others in public who called 911, went to point it at responding police, and he died for that mistake but it was his mistake. Forget about the "toy" references in the inflammatory MSM junk articles. To someone responding that was a real loaded firearm.
There are plenty of other cases of police killing truly unarmed and nonviolent people that don't get this much attention.
Paying less attention to these race-baiting cotton candy stories promoted in unison by our lovely propaganda machine would make a grand difference.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Nov 28, 2014 - 10:57pm PT
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watch the video again. who was in danger when the cops pulled up?
Noone.
What is the bar for requiring lethal force. No matter how you look at it this did not reach that bar.
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HighDesertDJ
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Nov 29, 2014 - 05:58am PT
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Sierra Ledge Rat posted That information was not forwarded to the police.
The police were told that someone was pointing a gun at people.
The kid went for his gun when then police arrived.
BOOM!
End of story.
There are literally dozens of incidents where white guys have been brandishing firearms and the police ended the incident nonviolently or at least non-lethally. Black people are much less likely to be afforded that opportunity.
http://reason.com/blog/2014/09/03/study-people-more-likely-to-shoot-white
Black people shot by police are disproportionately black. Additionally, in shooting range trials, while police were equally able to discern "bad guy" from "good guy" despite changes in race, they were much faster to pull the trigger if the bad guy was black. Of course, truly detailed analysis is difficult to obtain for the simple fact that police are not required to report data on who they kill or when they kill or why they kill because reasons.
This guy tried to rob a Walmart, threatened numerous people, was tased multiple times without effect and made 3 attempts to grab a deputy's weapon but was still subdued and arrested with minimal harm: http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/26353764/deputies-tase-forcefully-subdue-intoxicated-man-inside-walmart
There are tons of other examples of this lack of consistency in police choosing when to use lethal force.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Nov 29, 2014 - 06:25am PT
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Gumby, those air guns look like exact replicas of the real thing. the cops might have been too quick on the trigger but not by much. After all the school shootings juviniles don't get a free pass to wave guns arround. A huge part of the burden of this incident lies on the adults who let the kid have an air gun without teaching him not to aim it at people.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Nov 29, 2014 - 08:58am PT
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Gumby, those air guns look like exact replicas of the real thing. the cops might have been too quick on the trigger but not by much. After all the school shootings juviniles don't get a free pass to wave guns arround. A huge part of the burden of this incident lies on the adults who let the kid have an air gun without teaching him not to aim it at people. I could almost agree in that situation. my point is they put themselves in that situation. Driving up the way they did, through the grass with posts on their left preventing their exit and guns ready to blaze led to the killing. they could have simply driven up on the actual road in a normal manner and handled the situation calmly.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Nov 29, 2014 - 09:17am PT
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If its a real gun rolling in hot and takeing them down fast is possibly the best tacticle move. Keep in mind that tactical and moral are not always the same... perhaps the dispatcher is also at fault for not relaying to the cops that people thought it was a toy gun? Bottom line is still that pointing a real looking gun at people can get you killed for real. teaching kids basic gun safty is a good idea. knowing your kid has a real looking airgun and not giveing them a good lesson in how not to get killed by the police should give the parents a hefty dose of guilt to deal with along with their anger @ the police.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Nov 29, 2014 - 09:51am PT
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Rookie trigger happy cop needs to be held accountable.
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HighDesertDJ
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Nov 29, 2014 - 10:15am PT
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I could almost agree in that situation. my point is they put themselves in that situation. Driving up the way they did, through the grass with posts on their left preventing their exit and guns ready to blaze led to the killing. they could have simply driven up on the actual road in a normal manner and handled the situation calmly.
I'm pretty sure if you're worried that someone has a gun rolling up to nearly point blank range and jumping out of your car is not the way that police are recommended to handle a situation if they want to live, much less keep from escalating a situation.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Nov 29, 2014 - 10:55am PT
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If its a real gun rolling in hot and takeing them down fast is possibly the best tacticle move. Absolutely. If your goal going in is to kill the subject.
At that point he was threatening noone. There was plenty of time to assess the situation.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Nov 29, 2014 - 02:50pm PT
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Well, of course not. Cliven Bundy is whi...I mean a patriotic American.
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