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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Nov 26, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
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I've been waiting for the video. If this is the one they've been saying shows everything in detail, then someone has failed as a video critic.
Even so, the kid does not look like a 6'4", 300 pound crazed demon to me.
C'mon.
Nevertheless, he' dead in two seconds. Didn't even get a chance to throw one punch.
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Nov 26, 2014 - 06:40pm PT
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i dont understand the LEO's response...
if you think someone is armed, why ride up to them fast like that and put yourself in a more dangerous situation?
Is that standard procedure?
Wouldn't you call more backup?
As a cop, wouldn't you do just about anything to keep yourself alive longer?
How is speeding towards a possibly armed perp and contacting him like that going to keep you alive and diffuse the situation?
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crankster
Trad climber
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Nov 26, 2014 - 06:53pm PT
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2 seconds. Practically shot him from a moving car.
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John M
climber
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Nov 26, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
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I don't know who or what took that video, perhaps a security cam, but if you look at the second video which is at half speed you can see that the movements are very jerky. That would appear to me to mean the film was shot to take a pic every few seconds. That makes a difference in the timing. I'm not justifying this. I'm just pointing this out.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Nov 26, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
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What a terrible tragedy, a 26 year old trigger happy cop and a 12 year old boy just being a stupid kid. What a sad deal.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Nov 26, 2014 - 06:55pm PT
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the report the cop got on the radio was of someone pointing a gun at people in the park. pretty shure after all the recent mass shootings that there has been training to stop the perp as quickly as possible. The school shootings have shown that young age is capable of horrific acts with a gun..... the kid had a replica air gun. horrible all the way arround....
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Nov 26, 2014 - 07:17pm PT
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Suicide by cop?
Jesus F Christ, Ron. Was the 12 year old kid a vet?
Would you cut him some slack then?
Two f*#king seconds. Someone can't even get his dick out of his pants, let alone a gun in two seconds.
You can't even do a driveby shooting in two seconds. Stop manipulating yourself and pay attention to the facts.
Is there any killing by a cop and/or gun that you would condemn?
Think about it, don't bother to answer.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 26, 2014 - 09:19pm PT
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God damn the NRA. Those bastards have actively fought to turn this country into an armed camp, and sh#t like this is the result.
F*#k 'em.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Nov 26, 2014 - 09:29pm PT
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A 12 yr old with a fake gun sounds fairly tame at first glance, until you realize that there are far younger kids now shooting up schools or other people. Once upon a time this wasn't so.
Ooookay . . . exactly where are these younger kids "shooting up schools"? I must have missed some current events. Once upon a time doesn't mean a goddamn thing . . . this is here and now, for better or for worse. Now it's acceptable practice for the police to be blowing holes in pubescent juveniles? WTF over?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 26, 2014 - 09:37pm PT
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If a four-year-old can shoot a three-year-old, you have to figure someone holding a gun is capable of shooting anyone within range.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Nov 26, 2014 - 10:31pm PT
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Who, in this day and age, is going to walk around in public with a weapon (BB gun or otherwise)?
Where were the parents of this kid?
This is the cost of the "gun nut" mentality. Guns are everywhere, and innocent people are being gunned down daily. And now people who wave around guns in public are being gunned down by police. Are you really surprised that this happened?
I would much rather have the police gun down people who wave around guns in public than have some gun nut shoot me because I took his parking spot.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 26, 2014 - 11:29pm PT
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The NRA is a mouthpiece paid for by the gun industry. The prime goal of the gun industry is selling guns to make lots of money. They could give a rats azz about the human destruction. You people who feed them money are useful tools for them to exploit. Spin it any way you want, but guns have f-ed up this country big time. Do not feed me that nonsense of how much better of we are with guns.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 27, 2014 - 12:12am PT
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Jon's nailed it. Market paranoia wrapped in bullsh#t, sell more guns.
Contrary to popular belief, however, the NRA can be outgunned at the ballot box. Backround checks are now mandatory for all private gun sales in WA. Gun nuts were out voted by a huge margin. All guns must now be sold through federally licensed dealers. No more brown bagging it. This is a first.
Its also a success story for other states to mimic.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Nov 27, 2014 - 12:32am PT
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Another +1 for Gary and John. Without a gun culture, kids would not have toy guns that look realistic, and cops would not be jumpy.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Nov 27, 2014 - 05:19am PT
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The officers drove the car up onto the grass, close to the kid, opened the door and shot him. He died in the hospital. The officers waited 4 minutes after they had shot the kid before administering first aid.
This is the second case I know of police in Ohio shooting a person with a toy gun. The first was last summer when a man who had picked up a toy rifle in a Walmart store was shot by police. When police confronted him, he said, "It's not real," then they shot him.
Ohio has an open carry gun law. Does not seem like the police have caught up with the law. Maybe they need to be told that the law applies to blacks also.
In Cleveland last summer, 13 officers fired 137 shots into a stopped sedan and killed its occupants. They were not armed. In that case one officer was charged with voluntary manslaughter and 5 supervisors were suspended. The officer charged jumped onto the hood of the car, after officers had fired more than 100 shots at the car, and started shooting again, firing at least 15 shots, including fatal ones, downward through the windshield into the victims at close range as he stood on the hood.
He feared for his life.
Maybe the solution is for all black people to wear bullet proof vests.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 27, 2014 - 05:55am PT
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You gotta love the 'blame the victim' crowd. New dead kid, same one note song. 'where were the parents?!!! WTF? We had toy guns in our hands growing up 24/7, and we werent exactly leashed to mommy and daddy.
Guess the same rules don't apply to black kids.
And that's precisely the problem.
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Argon
climber
North Bay, CA
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Nov 27, 2014 - 06:00am PT
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Cops seem way too trigger happy these days - and every shooting is immediately deemed to be a righteous kill by their police chiefs. Yes, it was crazy what this 12-year old was doing - but couldn't the cops have just taken cover and waited a few seconds to assess the threat? The execution of the homeless guy in New Mexico by Albuquerque's version of Seal Team 6 was maybe the most egregious of the latest cop killings. Of course those cops were not charged or disciplined in any way. That shooting merited more national outrage than Ferguson.
Cops need tighter rules of engagement. They need to take fire first before returning it. They need to man up - or go find a job where someone other than the taxpayers pay them.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Nov 27, 2014 - 06:23am PT
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Cops do what they are told, and the proof is that they are not prosecuted.
I do hold policemen responsible for their actions, but the buck does not stop there. The focus needs to be pointed towards management.
Is there a method to the madness? Do "they" want us to fear the police?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 27, 2014 - 06:36am PT
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happy thanksgiving!
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