The 4 people who climbed Wings of Steel talk (Video)

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Dickly

Social climber

Feb 13, 2016 - 06:51am PT

"A country full of turds" will be a name for my next climb.

I doubt I would have much fun hanging with Mark or Richard around a campfire but so f*#king what, I respect them. Grossman on the other hand seems like someone you would find working in a truckstop bathroom. I finally took the time to watch this film and all I could think every single time Grossman was talking was "wipe the stupid f*#king smile off your face".

Oh yeah, sweet earring bro.

ionlyski

Trad climber

Kalispell, Montana

Feb 13, 2016 - 10:50am PT

Dicky,
You don't know Steve. Maybe you'd be ahead not to put so much emphasis on how people "seem" to be. Cuz you seem to be a bit Dickish.

Arne

Dickly

Social climber

Feb 13, 2016 - 12:49pm PT

You don't know Steve

You dont know that.

I do know that Steve didnt know those guys BITD when WOS went up, he was too busy hanging with the "in" crowd of dick swingers and ball cuppers. Historian my ass, just another turd from BITD who cant seem to give credit where credit is due.

clinker

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, California

Feb 14, 2016 - 08:08am PT

Today let's all kiss and make up and give each other Capone and Moran themed Valentines.

skamoto

Mountain climber

coalinga ca

Mar 22, 2016 - 01:52am PT

Just saw the movie. Found this post very entertaining lol. How did i just find out about this? Gotta stop working so much and read more ST stuff

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Mar 28, 2016 - 02:26pm PT

Absolutly no compareson to Robbins and Harding. Zero. Robbins had a beef with Harding's route so he climbed it to chop it. The as#@&%es in the WOS debicle never sacked up to climb it they simply slung human Feces and lots of bad karma. Weak sauce creepy bullys.

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber

like Ontario, Canada, eh?

Mar 28, 2016 - 02:57pm PT

"Maybe it is all the internet BS spewed that makes it hard for certain parties in this fiasco to pull as classy a move."

Classiest move of all was The Shitter apologizing for his actions a quarter-century later, and the FA-ists forgiving him unconditionally.

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Mar 28, 2016 - 03:11pm PT

Jebus compares it to Robbins Harding. Not even close. Robbins had sack enough and class enough to climb the rout he dissaproved of. The WOS shiitter who apologized is a stand up guy. That took a lot of courage. The guy who keeps trying to defend the bullying and keeps slagging the route without climbing it gets less than zero respect from me.

Prod

Trad climber

Mar 28, 2016 - 03:30pm PT

I think Jebus is actually saying that in his last paragraph.

Prod.

Prod

Trad climber

Mar 28, 2016 - 04:09pm PT

“ I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant”

A Greenspan.

rick d

climber

ol pueblo, az

Mar 28, 2016 - 07:37pm PT

Saw the film the other day, can't say I would recommend it nor would I watch it again. The best take home was Richard admitting the line was not pretty (to say the least). No one did the route (variation) because it was a crap line, not because it was hard. There are other crap lines on that side that don't get done. Also, that side of el cap is a frying pan, best to have somewhere to hide from the sun, maybe son of heart chimneys...

Dickey,
You need to read up on Steve a little more. Understand that the kid from Tucson came into the valley and set the style for hard aid, chalkless and bold (X)climbing. Bridwell was climbing well, but Grossman (and Cole) decided style was everything with a series of hard lines up the captain.

and I am a historian biatches.

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Mar 29, 2016 - 02:58am PT

Bullys Suck. Just because Grossman climbed hard BINTD does not mean he is a good person. One of the big failings of our society is that we worship skill at sports to the point that we ignore fatal charecter flaws.

clinker

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, California

Mar 29, 2016 - 04:39am PT

One of the big failings of our society is that we worship skill at sports to the point that we ignore fatal charecter flaws.

Grossman does BASE?

Delhi Dog

climber

Good Question...

Mar 29, 2016 - 04:48am PT

Classiest move of all was The Shitter apologizing for his actions a quarter-century later, and the FA-ists forgiving him unconditionally.

+1
Says a lot about all three of those gentleman.

The Wolf

Trad climber

Martinez, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 30, 2016 - 08:10am PT

It's so interesting to me that this film and or series of released videos has generated all this discussion. If you all had been around when Ammon, Kait and I thought about doing this thing or what the origins of the film were and what we thought it would or could be, you would see we had zero expectations for any of it.

I appreciate all who have watched the film. Most enjoy it at some level and believe me it's not easy to read or hear some criticisms based on filmmaking choices we had to make because of what we had to work with. But I will never try to discourage that criticism because I chose to make a film and put it out to the world and with that comes the criticisms and I accept that. But to make a film that inspires conversation is worth it.

Please support all who make adventure films. Trust me when I tell you people making adventure type films are not in it for the money This film was recently pirated and posted and 18K views of it happened in a month before I could get it taken down. That revenue alone would have funded my next 3 movies.

If anyone one is interested I can post the origins of how this became a movie. This has been discussed at screenings but never on a forum.

Jeff

crunch

Social climber

Mar 30, 2016 - 12:12pm PT

I'm with DMT.

Thanks for the movie. It's not the final word but it's a lot of fun, a labor of love and a gift to us all. Respect for independent moviemakers. Sorry to hear of the pirating on Youtube. That's gotta hurt.

My only criticism of the movie is that the historic controversy is not much explained. Because of this, the sole critic of the climb interviewed, Steve Grossman, is portrayed in a poor light, as evidenced by some of the comments here. The movie should have included background context for Steve's comments to make a bit more sense for a modern, uninitiated audience. Perhaps delving deeper into these old wounds was near-impossible for this movie, at the time? Perhaps the time needed would have killed the narrative arc?

Ammon's Rock & Ice's article in #198 delves into why WOS was controversial, how "good" it is, how "hard" it is, etc. This should be mandatory reading for anyone posting on this thread.

A big thanks to Jensen and Smith, Schneider, Grossman, McNeely, The Wolf and his movie for their contributions to the debates over quality, difficulty, bolt counts as we explore our ever-diminishing resource of vertical cliffs.

The Wolf

Trad climber

Martinez, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 30, 2016 - 12:22pm PT

All great points Crunch.

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Mar 30, 2016 - 06:17pm PT

I thought it explained it well enough. if anything the movie downplayed the bullying at least compared to some of the stories that were told here on the taco. Bottom line is Amon and Kate climbed it and said it was a prowd route. Groseman did not climb it and is still slinging sh#t about the climb and the climbers.