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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 12, 2014 - 05:50pm PT
Interesting reading;


http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=5195
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 12, 2014 - 06:08pm PT
Yep, we live in interesting times. There's still time to put a stop to it but it would require the majority of sheep to wake up. Historically that doesn't happen. But maybe...
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 12, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
Davis, CA is returning their armored vehicle. Hope others follow.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 12, 2014 - 08:05pm PT
Clarence King writes:
"...adoration of liberty...is the only sure foundation of modern representative government."

It's not made clear the text is from a letter, a pamphlet, or what in my source, his bio, and he was writing on US-Spanish-Cuban relations in the 1890s, but even so, it still can apply to police guys beating on peace guys or their families.

Remember the Alamo? Remember the Maine? Will we remember Ferguson?

I doubt this will cause much of a ripple, but it needs to be aired out and talked out before it's buried under the next headline avalanche.

We have our SWAT guys, just like you have yours. This stupid paranoia has struck deeply into our police forces. It seems that they get pretty much whatever they ask for nowadays, within reason. Heaters for a traffic cop's motorcycle is not the equivalent of the latest fifty or twenty mm twin.

We limited the city police, of course. Kevin drives the unit, since it's his car. He owns Binary Systems Computers or BS Computers. He volunteers, of course. He thinks he may get free advertising on TV out of it when the unit needs to respond and the media is in back of the floodlights, filming away. He closed the shop and drove in the parade, right behind the sheriff's swank SWAT vehicle. The sheriff gets pretty much what he needs here--more ammo for target shooting so they don't have too much problem with stray rounds because of the practice, that's a biggie. We just last week elected a new sheriff, so this is a suspenseful time here.


Seriously, we ARE in PS right now, and it's everywhere there is a badge. It's the uniformity of the training. Much the same as in the military. Who's teaching these courses? Ex-military.

Not seriously (for the unobservant), the cannon atop the smaller vehicle above is a broomstick, I guess; turret, probably cardboard; hatch, a plastic garbage can cut down to size.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 12, 2014 - 08:05pm PT
I had two local "woods cops" literally jump me one night whilst I was riding my bicycle across a paved road atop a local dam after dark (like 7pm). They had been hiding behind a concrete barrier. I had a bright headlamp and my back was festooned with blinking lights as to not get killed on the normal roads. Both of these thugs had guns drawn and were shaking like leaves... One had her (yes her) finger tightly wrapped around the trigger. I'd lived there 10 years and made the same trip at least 1000 times. This was in a rural crime-free area frequented by baby strollers, dog walkers, and people from the neighborhood all the time.

After some panicked screaming and yelling when I blinded them completely with my much brighter HID headlamp... they informed me this road was closed after dark. That's when I saw the finger on the trigger... I can still see it.

When everyone had calmed down I asked the big dumb one if they had some kind of recent problem that caused them to react horribly to a lone bicyclist in shorts and a white t-shirt with lethal force. She looked at me with those big retarded TSA eyes and said "Nine-eleven buddy.. Nine-eleven....."




Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 12, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
I suppose there are more over-policed states than Utah, but I recall a 1990's article in the "somewhat-liberal" Salt Lake Tribune titled: "Don't Question Authority."

It described the out of control Salt Lake City & Country Police offences against respectable citizens, who happened to piss off a cop.

The story featured graphic descriptions of folks like the 80 year old returning to a public garage after a Jazz basketball game, who questioned the folks shining flashlights in his eyes, if they were police. He was stomped, beaten, and ended up in a hospital in critical condition.

I also remember the woman who offended an off-duty cop while driving to work. He forced her car to the edge of the road, jumped out and screamed at her to get the fuk out of her car. When she asked who he was, he pulled her out of her car by the hair and stomped her.

Of course, both those folks and many others ended up in jail and /or the hospital.

The local police union fights any lawsuits, like anyone who questions authority is Satan.

I’m sure it is worse for those that aren’t white, or who don’t look respectable.

I travel Utah a fair amount on business and have my own stories, and those of friends. It is a “police-state,” especially in rural areas.

Utah! The don’t question authority state.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Nov 12, 2014 - 08:27pm PT
Support brave free citizens like these -

http://peacefulstreets.com/


Make no mistake, the citizens of this country are viewed as being nothing more than Uncaught Perps by our Police forces. In my lifetime, I have gone from being taught to trust and respect the friendly Neighborhood Beat Cop in Blue to outright fear and hatred of their increasing militarization conducted under the guise of protecting me from Cartel Boogeymen or Al Quaeda Terrorists.

I have yet to be attacked by Cartels or bombed by Arabs but have four times been subjected to assaults on myself and my property by the so called Protectors.

As a child traveling to the sands of Myrtle Beach in our stuffed 1964 Chevy BelAir wagon I can recall my Dad being routinely being stopped and shaken down for cash for "traffic violations".

As a teen I remember the Sheriff down the street drunkenly recounting his seizures of then rare color TVs as "evidence" which later appeared either in his living room or for sale in his garage.

As a young man working a B shift job while going to college during the day being stopped night after night driving home from my job because it was suspicious that I was out at 1:00 am. I can't tell you how many times my last 20 bucks for the week turned up missing from my wallet after the license check.

As a responsible home owner and middle manager who happened to let my cancer stricken kid brother grow a single weed plant in my backyard having my house stormed by over 17 SWAT guys who literally destroyed the interior while killing time until I got home from work. I still recall the pain of explaining to my wife why over half of her jewelry was somehow missing after this attack.

I have neither respect nor sympathy for these thugs. I know it is not right to paint all LEOs with such a broad brush but I feel it is much more prudent and personally safer to see each as a threat and proceed accordingly.



Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 12, 2014 - 08:30pm PT
let republicans have their way and that is exactly what you'll get






thebravecowboy

climber
walking, resin-stained, towards the goal
Nov 12, 2014 - 08:31pm PT
I've never seen a problem so bad that the police could not make it worse.


While I like most of the solutions that the Balko fellow has to offer, I think that bodycams need fulltime mandate for all cops, not just on raids.

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nah000

climber
canuckistan
Nov 12, 2014 - 09:17pm PT
She looked at me with those big retarded TSA eyes and said "Nine-eleven buddy.. Nine-eleven.....

didn't know whether to laugh or cry... 'cause it wasn't me, i laughed.

thanks, fear.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 12, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
It's always somewhat amusing when leftwing and 'libertarian' (aka patriot) hysteria intersect in such profoundly romantic ways..
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Nov 13, 2014 - 06:59am PT
No thanks, would rather have education and a society that polices itself and it's police.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Nov 13, 2014 - 07:49am PT
Which one is the Chief?

Too many gangsters at loose, on the streets and in highrises.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 13, 2014 - 07:53am PT
In a way, you can't blame the police for treating each situation like an armed encounter. Remember the North Hollywood bank shootout?

Is it possible that the NRA backed proliferation of high-powered weaponry has caused a reaction form the police?
WBraun

climber
Nov 13, 2014 - 08:47am PT
LOL ........
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 13, 2014 - 08:49am PT
The map leads directly to Ferguson, Missouri.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 13, 2014 - 08:57am PT
They’ve been prepared to work in commercial fire, house fire and car fire. Within the next few weeks, firefighting crews in Fairfield, Calif., can add a new category to that list — gunfire.

In what Fairfield Fire Department officials say is a response to recent events across the country, firefighters in the Northern California city will soon begin wearing bulletproof vests on certain types of calls in which first responders are at risk of being harmed through physical violence, such as active shooter situations.

After the Los Angeles riots in 1992, several cities including Monrovia, Downey and Santa Ana purchased vests for their firefighters. L.A. city firefighters also have access to bulletproof vests.

Fairfield crews are expected to begin wearing the vests in the field within the next four weeks, as soon as a department policy is in place for their use, said Battalion Chief Matt Luckenbach.
thebravecowboy

climber
walking, resin-stained, towards the goal
Nov 13, 2014 - 09:07am PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/03/us/police-targeted-media-with-no-fly-zone-over-ferguson-tapes-show.html?_r=0



Police Targeted Media With No-Fly Zone Over Ferguson, Tapes Show

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
NOV. 2, 2014



WASHINGTON — The federal government agreed in August to a request by the police to restrict about 37 square miles of airspace over Ferguson, Mo., for 12 days for what they said were safety concerns, but audio recordings show that the local authorities privately acknowledged that the purpose was to keep away news helicopters during violent street protests.

On Aug. 12, the morning after the Federal Aviation Administration imposed the first flight restriction, the agency’s air traffic managers struggled to redefine the flight ban to allow commercial flights to operate at nearby Lambert-St. Louis International Airport and for police helicopters to fly through the area — while still prohibiting flights.

“They finally admitted it really was to keep the media out,” one administration manager said about the St. Louis County Police Department in a series of recorded telephone conversations obtained by The Associated Press. “But they were a little concerned of, obviously, anything else that could be going on.”
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At another point, referring to the temporary flight restriction, a manager at the administration’s center in Kansas City, Mo., said the police “did not care if you ran commercial traffic through this T.F.R. all day long. They didn’t want media in there.”

The manager said there was “no option for a T.F.R. that says, you know, ‘OK, everybody but the media is OK.’ ” The managers then developed wording that they felt would keep news helicopters out of the controlled zone but not impede other air traffic.

The conversations contradict claims by the St. Louis County Police Department, which has said the restriction was solely for safety and had nothing to do with preventing news media from witnessing the violence or police response to demonstrations after the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown.

The police said at the time, and again as recently as Friday, that they had requested the flight restriction in response to shots fired at a police helicopter.

But police officials confirmed that there was no damage to their helicopter and were unable to provide an incident report on the shooting. On the tapes, an F.A.A. manager described the helicopter shooting as unconfirmed “rumors.”

The A.P. obtained the recordings under a Freedom of Information Act request.

“Any evidence that a no-fly zone was put in place as a pretext to exclude the media from covering events in Ferguson is extraordinarily troubling and a blatant violation of the press’s First Amendment rights,” said Lee Rowland, an American Civil Liberties Union lawyer specializing in First Amendment issues.

The F.A.A. administrator, Michael Huerta, said in a statement Sunday that his agency would always err on the side of safety. “F.A.A. cannot and will never exclusively ban media from covering an event of national significance, and media was never banned from covering the ongoing events in Ferguson in this case,” he said.

Mr. Huerta also said that, to the best of the agency’s knowledge, “no media outlets objected to any of the restrictions” while they were in effect.
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In the recordings, an F.A.A. manager urged modifying the flight restriction so that airport-bound planes could enter the airspace over Ferguson.
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Interactive Graphic: Reactions to the Shooting in Ferguson, Mo., Have Sharp Racial Divides

The agency manager in Kansas City then asked a St. Louis County police official if the restrictions could be lessened so nearby commercial flights would not be affected. The new order allows “aircraft on final there at St. Louis. It will still keep news people out. The only way people will get in there is if they give them permission in there anyway,” so with the lesser restriction, “it still keeps all of them out.”

“Yeah,” the police official replied. “I have no problem with that whatsoever.”

Brian Thouvenot, the news director at KMOV-TV in St. Louis, told The A.P. that his station had been prepared at first to legally challenge the flight restrictions, but was later advised that its pilot could fly over the area as long as the helicopter stayed above 3,000 feet. That kept the helicopter and its mounted camera outside the restricted zone, although filming from such a distance, he said, was “less than ideal.”

None of the St. Louis stations were advised that news helicopters could enter the airspace even under the lesser restrictions, which under federal rules should not have applied to aircraft “carrying properly accredited news representatives.” The F.A.A.’s no-fly notice indicated the area was closed to all aircraft except the police and planes using the airport.

“Only relief aircraft operations under direction of St. Louis County Police Department are authorized in the airspace,” the notice said. Aircraft using Lambert-St. Louis Airport were exempt.

The day that notice was issued, Sgt. Brian Schellman, a county police spokesman, denied that the no-fly zone was to prevent news helicopters from covering the events. “We understand that that’s the perception that’s out there, but it truly is for the safety of pilots,” he told NBC News.

The Ferguson police were widely criticized for their response after the death of Mr. Brown, a black man who was shot by a white city police officer, Darren Wilson, on Aug. 9. Later, under county police command, several reporters were arrested, a TV news crew was tear gassed and some demonstrators were told they were not allowed to film officers. In early October, a federal judge said the police had violated demonstrators’ and news crews’ constitutional rights.

“Here in the United States of America, police should not be bullying and arresting reporters who are just doing their jobs,” President Obama said on Aug. 14, two days after the police confided to federal officials that the flight ban was secretly intended to keep the news media out. “The local authorities, including police, have a responsibility to be transparent and open.”

The restricted flight zone initially encompassed airspace in a 3.4-mile radius around Ferguson and up to 5,000 feet in altitude, but the police agreed to reduce it to 3,000 feet after the F.A.A.’s command center in Warrenton, Va., complained to managers in Kansas City that it was impeding traffic into St. Louis.

The flight restrictions remained in place until Aug. 22, federal records show. A police captain wanted it extended when officials were set to identify Mr. Wilson by name as the officer who had shot Mr. Brown and because Mr. Brown’s funeral would “bring out the emotions,” according to the recordings.

“We just don’t know what to expect,” the captain told the F.A.A. “We’re monitoring that. So, last night we shot a lot of tear gas, we had a lot of shots fired into the air again.

“It did quiet down after midnight,” the captain added, but “we don’t know when that’s going to erupt.”
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 13, 2014 - 09:24am PT
Colt.45 is a Fresno thing.

L.A. had Brew 102.


I always thought it was funny that Brew 102 was right next to The 101.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 13, 2014 - 01:35pm PT
In a way, you can't blame the police for treating each situation like an armed encounter. Remember the North Hollywood bank shootout?

Is it possible that the NRA backed proliferation of high-powered weaponry has caused a reaction form the police?

Actually I can blame them, and we should. In the vast majority of rural America police are never in firefights of any kind.

"High-powered" weaponry is a nonsense term right up there with "Assault Weapon". Unfortunately a lot of people only know what they are misled with on MSM outlets...

Visit Iraq or Syria for real "High-powered" weaponry... The kind our government dumps and sells to our enemy by the shipload!
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 13, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
"High-powered"

Ask the cops in the Hollywood shootout about that. If we want a highly armed society, and many here do, then we have to expect a highly armed police force, no?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
Firenze graffiti...

guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Nov 13, 2014 - 03:31pm PT
wow a lot of back n forth hate here....... with out any info..


ending the War on Drugs would be a good start.... take the $$$$$$ out of it and those bangers will loose a big part of their EZ income.

But to PoPos are getting very agressive..... shoot last year I was sitting in my campsite at JT and Ranger dudeette walks -- sneeks in-- looking around, hand on the side arm, holster un buttoned.

I asked her about the gun and why did she have it unbuttoned?????

I asked he if there had EVER been a shooting of a LEO in JT?

She didn't have an answer....

anyway all the cops now treat everybody like sh#t.

it will backfire on them.

And Rick, one day you will get pulled over- speeding on that bike of yours-and when some LEO treats you like garbage, you come on back here and do a TR ok.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 13, 2014 - 03:57pm PT
My law and order philosophy is probably a bit to the right of Genghis Khan's but even if
I am doing nothing wrong I still get very uncomfortable when there's a cop at my
six o'clock - I just don't trust 'em. Granted, it is a horrible job but
they've lost sight of the fact that they work for us, theoretically. The
lack of civilian oversight is the main problem. And what is it with the
effing helicopters? Every pissant little town thinks they can't live without
one and LA thinks they need 17 and a King Air 200 turboprop?
Are you kidding me? Three weeks in Italy and I might have seen a couple in
Rome but that is about it. Clearly those Eyetalians don't know the danger
they're in!
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 13, 2014 - 05:03pm PT
wow a lot of back n forth hate here....... with out any info..

No hate here, guyman. I think we all agree here that the militarization of the police is NOT a good thing. It's a danger to our republic. I do believe that ONE of the causes is the police reaction to the high level of guns in our society. It would certainly make me nervous if I was a cop. Hell, I'd probably be drawing down on cans of poppin' fresh dough!
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Nov 13, 2014 - 05:03pm PT
Good enough GUY!



Oh yeah, that wasn't the first, second nor third time that has happened the past ten or so years.




Justice denied.....!

I found out a long time ago, its who you know, in small town America, and not if your guilty or innocent.


So chief.... lets revisit the whole power bolting in the wilderness deal- again... I'll say its just like going 100+ MPH,thats against the law! So you would agree that we pick and choose what laws we are going to follow.

Dosen't mean your a bad person, just a free person. ;>)
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Nov 13, 2014 - 05:33pm PT
Rick I have a job and can't always get right back....

but yes I hear you, small town life. In LA you might have been tossed under the jail for doing that.

No hate here, guyman. I think we all agree here that the militarization of the police is NOT a good thing. It's a danger to our republic. I do believe that ONE of the causes is the police reaction to the high level of guns in our society. It would certainly make me nervous if I was a cop. Hell, I'd probably be drawing down on cans of poppin' fresh dough!


Well Gary maybe hate is to strong of a word, but a lot of mud slinging over something most of us can agree on.

I think anyone who can prove that they are not crazy or a ex-felon, gets a gun if they wish... it would make the streets safer. IMHO
Byran

climber
San Jose, CA
Nov 13, 2014 - 05:56pm PT
Oh yeah. Pretty certain that these dudes are active card carrying NRA members, their weapons are registered and totally legal...


Don't know about their NRA membership status, but since it's a professional photo shoot I would assume everything is on the up-and-up regarding the prop firearms.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 13, 2014 - 05:56pm PT
Guyman, last month I was grabbing coffee at a Starbucks at one of those east coast travel plazas they have on the toll roads (don't get me started on toll roads!), and this guy strides in with am smug look and a piece strapped on his hip. It didn't make me feel safe.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 13, 2014 - 06:38pm PT
LEOS have a tough job. But I agree that I no longer respect them. They are too quick to see the populace as adversaries. Back when my dad was 84 years old they pulled him over for minor speeding and proceeded to hassle him. An 84 year old man that has never had an infraction. But they had to put him in his place.

edit: When I got my DUI the arresting officer (CHP) was pretty decent and just doing his job and treated me with a reasonable degree of respect. When I got booked in jail it was a whole different story. Those fers where way over the top. I'll never forget being slammed on the floor by 4 cops just for raising my hand to ask for access to asthma meds.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Nov 13, 2014 - 07:43pm PT
What are the numbers! How many cops killed or winded on duty?

Wounded mrApplepotatohead
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Nov 13, 2014 - 08:37pm PT
Thank you Johntp - my sentiments exactly.

My neighbor - lived next to him for going on four years now.

Dude did 4 tours in the Sand Boxes of Iraq and Afghanistan and came home WHACKED THE F*** OUT!

Six months ago he rolls out and gets hired into our local PD based on his "military policing" experience. Easy to think that's cool - veterans deserve our respect for falling for the jive and risking their lives for BS and all that jazz. Least we could do is let them become employed once back like a normal Joe.

Only thing is - he's still WHACKED! and he has AUTHORITY and a GUN!

Can't count how many times Terrence has gone on a rant about how "all of us are guilty of something - just haven't been caught yet". The man seriously and I do mean seriously believes that his citizen neighbors are one step away from lighting off some IED under his azz.

His attitude and the fact that this type of person is the typical recruit for our local PD scares the crap out of me.

I fear cops these days.
I distrust them.
I do not respect them.
And that actually does make me sad because it does not and should not be this way.

Old dick-pulling Wally Warheads who cream out over "drug cartels", "armored bandits", "turbaned car bombers" and every other boogeyman they can conjure up while jerking off in their bunkers only encourages us to believe that we need a police force that rivals a Roman Legion.

As if every forgettable suburb in every no-name town is but mere seconds away from attack by some Global Army of Jihadi Zombie Child Rapists.

Unfortunately for my town, there are still enough old retired white people in town who vote this Fear Ticket to ensure our cops are sufficiently armed to repel the Mongol Hordes.

What we actually get is a well armed well armored PD who happens to currently have 2 officers charged with assault, 2 charged with domestic violence, 1 on trial for sexual assault and 1 recently convicted for manslaughter.

That's 6 Law Enforcement Officers in total just in the last 12 months.

Did I mention that the local PD only numbers 37?

That's on top of the over 300 citizen complaints filed over allegations of shake-downs and theft of property during "justifiable searches".

There is a sickness of conscience and morality that permeates too many Police Departments for me to feel safe in their presence anymore. Disdain for their fellow citizens, disregard for their own laws, irrational fear over imagined threats have turned these armed men and women into something apart from the very society they espouse to protect and serve.

Not every town needs a Panzer division of SS Troops. Most could get by just fine with an Andy Griffith of a Sheriff.






guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Nov 14, 2014 - 03:09pm PT
Chief.... if you love riding that fast, and it is a blast. I recommend that you go join the Willow Springs Motor Cycle Club.

That way you can ride as fast as you wish, and not endanger the innocent population. And on the plus side, they have a ambulance "on station" ready to come and collect your broken body ASAP.

But beware, those real racer dudes can REALLY RIDE. Not just street fast- but track fast. There is a big difference.



guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Nov 14, 2014 - 04:28pm PT
Gee wiz RICK....

Ride safe.
thebravecowboy

climber
walking, resin-stained, towards the goal
Dec 12, 2014 - 10:58pm PT
Fort Collins police have not released additional information about the
incident west of campus. They continue search for the suspect.

At this time, police continue to ask that anyone west of campus stay
indoors, with their doors locked, and stay away from windows.

Updates will be provided as FCPS releases information. Please call 911
and CSUPD ONLY to share information. Please do not call 911 or CSUPD for
updates on the situation.

Power is information. Information is power.

And with that, I must add: [Click to View YouTube Video]

Chief, you know, I think you and Antoine might have more in common than you would recognize at first. Have you tried blackface in Kalamazoo to foster your own understanding?


12:10PM

And an update:

Fort Collins police were not able to locate the suspect and they are
removing the search perimeter. Anyone who sees a male matching the
description should contact Fort Collins police at 970-221-6540. The
suspect is a bald Hispanic male wearing a light shirt and jeans. He is
considered armed and dangerous.

Fort Collins police advise residents that it is safe to resume normal
activities at home, but to continue to practice safety precautions and
make sure doors and windows are locked.

Can I yet open my eyes? Or shall I flay all noises in the night with my neat little handcannon? Will I be tried if my stray round hits some dude next door?
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Sep 12, 2018 - 09:47pm PT
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Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 13, 2018 - 10:22am PT
Just a bypass on the way to a police state?
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-bakersfield-shooting-20180913-story.html



Authorities are trying to piece together what led a gunman to kill five people in back-to-back shootings in Bakersfield on Wednesday evening before turning the gun on himself in a situation that Kern County Sheriff Donny Youngblood said has become “the new normal” across the country.

The violence began about 5:20 p.m., when the man showed up at a trucking business with his wife and confronted another man. The husband shot the man and then turned the gun on his wife, killing her, Youngblood said.

When a third man showed up, the gunman chased him to the nearby Bear Mountain Sports shop and fatally shot him. The gunman, who has not been identified, then went to a home nearby and shot and killed two more people.

Youngblood said the gunman then carjacked a woman who had a child in her vehicle. Both victims were able to escape as the gunman drove to Edison Highway, where he was spotted by a deputy.

The man pulled into a lot and when the deputy approached, the man shot himself in the chest.

“This is the new normal if you look across the country at these types of shootings,” Youngblood told reporters at a news conference on Wednesday. The violence marks the third deadliest shooting in the nation this year behind the Parkland attack in Florida, which left 17 people dead, and the Sante Fe High School shooting in Texas, which killed 10.

We need more guns on the street?
ec

climber
ca
Sep 13, 2018 - 10:52am PT
Ron, I witnessed the police state when I saw you on your knees in Camp 4 in 1977 over a tiny bit of weed. The whole scene was ridiculous and frightening at the same time. I thought you responded to them appropriately, however they did not agree.

 ec
ec

climber
ca
Sep 13, 2018 - 10:57am PT
Gary, I saw that. Gee, my home town. 55% of their homicides are unsolved. If you look at the list I see a ‘pattern.’ ‘Mostly ‘Hispanic’ and left on the side of the road...


 ec
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 13, 2018 - 11:06am PT
I rather doubt that Bakersfield PD gets to be very picky about who they hire.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Sep 13, 2018 - 04:37pm PT
345%

How does that work?
Robb

Social climber
Cat Box
Sep 13, 2018 - 04:58pm PT
Ksolem,
It's an "excellent use of mathematics" to explain the corollary of certain people dying.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 13, 2018 - 05:02pm PT
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/09/the-nras-catch-22-for-black-men-shot-by-police/570124/

The city of Dallas, Texas, has been rocked by news of an off-duty police officer shooting a black man in his own apartment.

...The National Rifle Association’s spokesperson sees the incident a bit differently. Dana Loesch argued that Jean would still be alive had he been armed and shot Guyger instead. “I don’t think there’s any context that the actions would have been justified,” Loesch acknowledged, but asserted that “this could have been very different if Botham Jean had been, say he was a law-abiding gun owner and he saw somebody coming into his apartment.” At a time when many conservative writers were expressing empathy for Jean and hoping that justice would be served, Loesch’s disciplined adherence to the NRA’s bottom line stands out.

Loesch’s reaction is an example of what one might call the “Rice rule,” after Tamir Rice, the 12-year old killed by a white police officer while playing in a park with a toy gun: There are no circumstances in which the responsibility for a police shooting of an unarmed black person cannot be placed on the victim.

...But the NRA’s conspicuous lack of outrage after the shootings of Philando Castile, Jason Washington, and Alton Sterling, all black men killed by police while in possession of a firearm, suggests an impossible double standard. When armed black men are shot by the police, the NRA says nothing about the rights of gun owners; when unarmed black men are shot, its spokesperson says they should have been armed. To this day, Loesch defends Castile’s shooting as justified—despite the fact that Castile informed the officer he was carrying a firearm. In Washington’s case, Loesch said she was “never going to keyboard quarterback what police are doing.”

...There’s also a catch-22 here: If Jean had been armed, Guyger would have a much more plausible defense. If innocent unarmed black men like Jean are shot, it’s because they lack firearms; if innocent black men who are armed like Castile or Sterling are shot, it’s because they had a gun. Heads, you’re dead; tails, you’re also dead.

Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Sep 13, 2018 - 05:56pm PT
So it's kind of like 5.10 being a bigger quantity that 5.9?

;-)
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 13, 2018 - 10:30pm PT
JB, you know damn well you won’t get a straight answer -
a comrade can only answer dlalectically, if that.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Sep 14, 2018 - 09:25am PT
duh JB, anarcosindicalismo
Lituya

Mountain climber
Sep 14, 2018 - 10:12am PT
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/end-qualified-immunity-supreme-court/

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 14, 2018 - 10:14am PT
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