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c wilmot
climber
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Nov 16, 2016 - 08:45am PT
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Without a permit you will get in trouble. The rangers take the permits serious and they are out checking them
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c wilmot
climber
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Nov 16, 2016 - 09:05am PT
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Jody- it's called a radio. They can easily cite you
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Nov 16, 2016 - 09:08am PT
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+1 The Larry....lol
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Nov 16, 2016 - 09:13am PT
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Jody!
So phookin' right!
When the chance that I'd be arriving well before dawn (or office hours). I used to carry 5-6
copies of previous permits , always with one or two that went back nearly a decade to show,when I got snagged that, if it had been possible to obtain a permit in a timely fashion, I had before & certainly would have.
Mostly I was not still cited,
but more than once
( one time I was cited when I was the 1st responder to a scalding victim at YellowStone)
Then a very stern letter, and or an (over the top) appearance
Dressed better than any one else and supported by others,
I was given a reprieve .( that cost more than the fine )
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c wilmot
climber
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Nov 16, 2016 - 09:15am PT
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They call in your license info to check on warrants and such first. if you think you can hide from them then that's pretty funny. You were in LE?
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mooch
Trad climber
Old Climbers' Home (Adopted)
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Nov 16, 2016 - 09:15am PT
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I see YNP tools are already in compliance with "The Gestapo Policy"....
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c wilmot
climber
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Nov 16, 2016 - 09:25am PT
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No I'd just means you for sure don't have a backcountry permit. And they can tell if it's a dayhike or not. And lying about who you are will bring an additional charge. I have listened to just such a bust over a ynp radio.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 16, 2016 - 09:26am PT
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Jody, I 'ran into' a friend of yours recently. When he asked for my license I realized I had left it
in the Independence Inn. After instructing me on how to use the auto/manual gears on my
obviously new truck (I don't have to act to play dumb) to keep my speed down on the Sabrina Grade he sent us on our way. God bless that nice man!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 16, 2016 - 09:41am PT
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Actually, I've always had a pretty positive attitude toward them. But there was that one who
cited me for rolling a freeway onramp light. It was a steep ramp and my truck then had a clutch.
I was rolling when the light turned green but it was even with cab, not
that he could see that 5 cars back. That was BS, just like those lights
are. ;-)
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c wilmot
climber
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Nov 16, 2016 - 10:18am PT
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Sorry Jody. i was not trying to be a jerk. It's just been my experience that the rangers take those permits pretty serious. I dislike permits as well
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 16, 2016 - 10:49am PT
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I dunno Reilly, and it seems Judge Ishii doesn't either.
So how about you, dude? You be the judge... can you decide this issue based on what is written above?
"THIS ISSUE" is whether there is sufficient information to dismiss the claim.
I think it is clear that there is not, and that discovery is warranted.
DMT, you don't?
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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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Nov 16, 2016 - 11:18am PT
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I witnessed a similar event some years ago at Pizmo beach. A ranger who had harrassed our group for three days crossed the line. Hed been watching us with a telescope from atop a sanddune all weekend. He kept entering our camp and checking IDs for people who were drinking. We justly named him Ranger Dick. At one point, he pulled over a vehicle and seriously groped the passenger, a woman who was not driving or drinking. He grabbed her by the hair and put his hand in her crotch from behind. The as#@&%e carried her around by her crotch as she squirmed and cried out to be left alone. The whole time he bellowed out "Oh yea, Ive got a live one" in front of everyone as if to demonstrate his authority and humilliate the young woman. I confronted him and demanded that he stop assaulting her at which point he dropped the girl and came at me with the billyclub. I said to his face very matter of factly that if he assaulted me unarmed in front of all these wittnesses that he would go to jail and that we would arrest him. There were ten of us encircled around this Jabba The Hut cop at this point. It seemed that we were about to unleash on him any second when he backed down. At that point he arrested the driver of the vehicle and left. Unfortunately for him, one of our friends was daughter of Anthony Riordan, then sheriff of Orange County. She reported the incident and several witnesses came forward with written statements. Although Ranger Dick was not criminally charged, he was fired. I hope he spends his time picking up trash along a road somewhere.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Nov 16, 2016 - 12:22pm PT
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Looks like the rangers got a break..... again. Michelle probably had to stop the case over money and time it takes to keep a lawsuit going.
You can't really conclude anything from this Dismissal. It is entirely possible that there was a confidential settlement followed by the dismissal.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Nov 16, 2016 - 03:42pm PT
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Damn, what is it with these ranger-LEO dixs? Freakin' amazing, and not in a good way.
BAd
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 16, 2016 - 08:49pm PT
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The Mass. Supreme Court made a ruling that one has the right to flee law enforcement, and that your flight does not imply guilt.
“We do not eliminate flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion analysis whenever a black male is the subject of an investigatory stop. However, in such circumstances, flight is not necessarily probative of a suspect’s state of mind or consciousness of guilt. Rather, the finding that black males in Boston are disproportionately and repeatedly targeted for FIO [Field Interrogation and Observation] encounters suggests a reason for flight totally unrelated to consciousness of guilt. Such an individual, when approached by the police, might just as easily be motivated by the desire to avoid the recurring indignity of being racially profiled as by the desire to hide criminal activity. Given this reality for black males in the city of Boston, a judge should, in appropriate cases, consider the report’s findings in weighing flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion calculus.”
Although this ruling was made specifically in connection with regard to black males running away from city police, it can be applied more generally to cases where there is no overt evidence of crime. In other words, she could have taken off running.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 17, 2016 - 12:33pm PT
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Jody, the correct spelling is actually Pismo Beach, with an "s" not a "z". Then you can GOOGLE and you will find it is a small beach town not far from San Luis Obispo.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 17, 2016 - 05:18pm PT
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The law enforcement people in Yosemite react differently because it is such a crowded place. Generally speaking, in Sequoia, for example they are more mellow and laid back. It is like comparing Los Angeles with Santa Barbara. To some extent, the law enforcement culture is a product of the environment. The more people you have in a small space, the more frequent the serious law enforcement incidents, and then the people are more edgy. It seems that any sizeable law enforcement group always attracts a certain number of guys who are overly aggressive, but not all of them are like that.
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