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Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 25, 2014 - 10:19am PT
I heard something about this open source online database where the goal is to save the internet... The whole thing..

I visited: https://archive.org/index.php - to find what looked to me like an old style search engine...

I enter the websites URL I'd like to see snapshots of...

http://www.supertopo.com/

Here is what I found...

From my understanding... This page said that the topo has been saved to the wayback machine since 2000... and through to 2014...

I have only had a minute to look around... But, I was able to find a very worthwhile review of some of the posts from the forums past...

I have looked for the Politics and Religion thread and the Republicans thread...
They are there... But the wayback machine can only seem to get main page captures and not everything connected to it...

Better results came when I looked up the climbers discussion forum instead...

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/forum.php

I was able to get a better view of what was available from the WBM but again, not all pages area saved...

Each of the pages I was looking for were represented and available for review, just not as it was when it was deleted... as it was then... the date it was saved..

The second batch of threads that Dr.F had posted were noted to have had more than 40,000 entries, the most recent had close to 50K...

In the wayback machine, I am able to view some 19K from different periods...

Surprisingly, some of the links work.. When clicking on the "Show All" link presents the full list of the posts available...

I was able to load some 18K or 19K inside the way back page...



Hope this helps somebody...

cheers all...


Anybody like seeing these cactus?

Dr. F.

climber
So Cal

Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:25am PT
It appears that every time we talk the issues of either Politics, God or Religion

we always hear from the same people, they are on one side or the other

For example, Right Wing Christians, are completely opposed on almost every issue by the other side,

The Liberal, progressive, and normal independent folks, listening to science, and non-partisan experts


Lets discuss

let the old thread die, since this thread will be devoted to what we left talking about there



Credit: Dr. F.





Dr. F.

climber
So Cal

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:29am PT
I hope to keep this thread civil
anyone can post of course
Please do

but lets not let this thread turn into a pile of crap with name calling, and in fighting

Lets hear your thoughts, and what you you believe

and then we can discuss these beliefs
Post nice photos too

It could be a good thread
for once



BooDawg

Social climber
Polynesian Paradise

Jan 20, 2011 - 09:32am PT
I basically don't even lurk, much less post, on the threads where folks have entrenched beliefs. But hey, how often does one get to help set the stage of and tone of one of these endless, argumentative threads?

Edit:

People believe what they WANT TO BELIEVE! So I BELIEVE that most folks are convinced that THEY ARE RIGHT about whatever their belief is and also they believe, WRONGLY, I believe, that they can actually convince someone else whose beliefs are equally entrenched that their viewpoint is the right one.

I have an interest in discussing the process of evolution and speciation. (They are related but not the same.) But I haven't seen a thread where such a discussion is truly possible because the threads end up being ones about Science VS Religion.

And I agree with the OP that a thread should be a discussion about IDEAS, and that personal attacks should be kept to one's self. Nothing drives me away from a thread more quickly than personal attacks.

I also recommend that if you seen an idea up-thread that is well-expressed, and there is also an opposing one that comes later, if you don't have something NEW TO SAY, DON'T just jump in so that YOUR VIEWPOINT HAS THE LAST WORD. You aren't going to change anyone else's mind. That's my belief.

There, I think I'm done. Let's see if this becomes a civil discussion of IDEAS or falls to the depths that previous ones have.



Dr. F.

climber
So Cal

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:35am PT
My first observation of why these right winger believe the things they do is obvious!!

Special Interest has swayed them to be on their side, against science, for the purpose of giving more power to the special interest

Global Climate Change is a perfect example
why do they fight the science, - the energy industry special interest has bought off the right wing media to support their anti-scientific message

and it worked

the other big issues would be

God
Evolution
Tax Cuts
Health Care
Media freedom of speech, Is lying OK
the bible
abortion
Pollution
logging
mining
regulation of business and the financial institutions

and 100 more



Dr. F.

climber
So Cal

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:38am PT
People believe what they WANT TO BELIEVE!

So true
but if they are proved wrong
Then they have to decide, should I believe my wrong belief

or should I change my belief to be right, so then I believe the right things

Its a choice

some people make the right choice, so don't



locker

Social climber


Jan 20, 2011 - 09:40am PT

Not so sure that it is LEB that's DOMINATING this "CLIMBERS" FORUM...

LOL!!!...



jstan

climber


Jan 20, 2011 - 09:40am PT
The hypothesis I am working is pretty simple. And simplistic.

People fall into two groups.

Those that like uncertainty.

And those who can't bear uncertainty.

The people who can't bear uncertainty have to deal with uncertainty

if they cannot control other people.



Dr. F.

climber
So Cal

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:42am PT
There are two grougs
so true



bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA

Jan 20, 2011 - 09:44am PT
"The Liberal, progressive, and normal independent folks, listening to science, and non-partisan experts"

see, f, you apparently can't help yourself...even when you call for civil discourse, you begin by insulting anyone who disagrees with you

1) assuming all conservatives are "right-wing" = assuming all liberals are socialists

2) assuming all christians are "right-wing" = assuming all liberals are satanists

3) referring to liberals as "normal"

4) asserting that only liberals listen to "non-partisan" experts


but, here, i'll play nicely and begin a thread from your list that typically brings out the emotions: abortion

i oppose abortion because i believe life begins at conception; so, the child in the womb, at any stage of development, is a full human being with the same right to life as you and me



Dr. F.

climber
So Cal

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:46am PT
So happy to have you booky
keep up the good posts
thanks



Dr. F.

climber
So Cal

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:53am PT
Here is my thought on the list above

God- the churches are the special interest
Evolution-the churches are the special interest
Tax Cuts- the rich are the special interest
Health Care- the insurance companies
Media freedom of speech, Is lying OK- the right wing media wants to lie
the bible- the church
abortion- the church, and the "Man's" control over women
Pollution- industry
logging- logging companies
mining- mining companies
regulation of the businesses and financial institutions- the businesses and financial institutions

they have money, and the power, and the people (right wingers) that will support their special interests

In complete opposition to science



High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa

Jan 20, 2011 - 09:59am PT
Hahaha.

No way do I want to see the intelligent discourse on science versus religious supernaturalism mixed in with, and adulterated by, the junior high level discussions that characterize U.S. partisan politics. ;)



John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California

Jan 20, 2011 - 10:02am PT
God created science. It has its uses. I probably fit closer in my beliefs to the right wing Christians, though they wouldn't accept a lot of my beliefs. Does that make me abnormal?

I also oppose abortion because I also belief that this is God ordained life, but I don't necessarily belief that we should spend our energy outlawing it. I think that we should help women keep their children, or give them up for adoption, but that we shouldn't spend a lot of effort outlawing it. I feel the same way about drugs. Legalize them, tax them and use the tax money to help people overcome their addictions.

As for global warming, its happening, but not for the reasons that science is concerned with. Certainly many of the physical aspects of global warming are occurring, but the reasons have to do with the consciousness of man. Greed, lust, gluttony, pride, wrath, sloth, and envy and a lack of Faith in God are the primary causes of all of our problems, from wars to prolific abortions to suicide to global warming.

Science is a way for man to better understand how to live in this physical world. It provides the freedom to not be a slave to the physical and thus have more time to understand the spiritual. Without science, man was trapped by the endless need to grub for food and shelter, as his consciousness had descended to a very low level. With it he has more time to delve into the spiritual aspects of life.

The original fall of man stems from pride. All other problems arise from that pride.



Dr. F.

climber
So Cal

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 10:13am PT
Dr f.....u feel the need to justify your knowledge...

This is completely off base, Its not about me, or what I believe

I will always argue these basic ideas, I can not stop
It is a learning experience for me, I want to learn

My knowledge is the same as most of the others on my side, adequate to see through the BS special interests

Nothing could be more valuable to me, than having someone convince me that God exists, I want that

But the arguments don't not even approach this goal, they just prove how wrong these people are

was that a last word!!
yes, I think it was



fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention

Jan 20, 2011 - 10:17am PT
Comrade F,


I hate to take your thread off topic, BUT, you are really screwed up, please, please get some professional help.


the evil one



John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California

Jan 20, 2011 - 10:19am PT
There is no argument that can prove God exists. There is only experience. I pray that some day you will have that experience.



Brandon Lampley

Mountain climber
Boulder, CO

Jan 20, 2011 - 10:22am PT
Dr. F, let's suppose your list of divisive issues and the special interests that influence them is a good starting point. What other interests jump into each debate? Why? Who makes money? or gains power? or builds their Pride? Why do the PEOPLE that comprise any of these groups act the way they do? Are there very many people involved?

Let's also suppose you truly want to influence discourse, or more open thinking, or even 'changing the minds' of some folks you disagree with. We all know there's a minority on each end of the spectrum that is entrenched. They likely will not meaningfully challenge their assumptions, or substantially change their views. True on the left and right end.

Now the majority of folks fall in the middle. These folks swing our elections one way or the other; these folks are from all walks of life. Teachers, business people, factory workers; and daily they have influence on others around them too. Our children included.

And most of them do pay attention to argument and positions and information. Those from the ends of the spectrum that provide appealing arguments have influence. Those that model appropriate behavior and discourse gain respect, and more influence.



Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA

Jan 20, 2011 - 11:17am PT
A turd wrapped in bacon is still a turd, don't eat it.

I tend to agree with Boodawg and Jstan. I tied some civil discourse on some of these matters a few years ago and quickly realized the futility of it all. These things are better discussed in smaller groups face to face. Things get weird fast when just any unbalanced ego can chime in with their brand of know-it-allness. Discussions soon blur into senseless arguments, but good luck anyway, I hope you get some more intelligent responses.

Why do people feel the need to convince others on these matters? Does it really matter? Our lives will proceed just fine without ever having to have these futile arguments.



ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca

Jan 20, 2011 - 11:20am PT
Listen, respect and accept. don't always have to be right, always don't have to agree and don't always have to disagree. I TRY to listen, respect and accept other peoples beliefs, views and opinions.
Peace



Dr. F.

climber
So Cal

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 11:23am PT
No one discusses these things Face to Face

Do you think I would discuss this with Fatty at Facelift

No, I would be busy eating Fatty's meat, and drinking his beer

These things can only be discussed in a format like this

I did not present the opportunity to debate: if we should debate this or not

WE will, so get with the program, and discuss
or go away, and do whatever you want on the other threads

This plant is super rare in Cultivation, it comes from Somalia
and will be extinct before the end of the Century
Whitesolona crassa,
I have two, so I can get seeds


Credit: Dr. F.

Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Oct 25, 2014 - 10:46am PT
So, there is life after death. Lol.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2014 - 11:48am PT
IT lives!!!...

 Not quite... more of a frankensteins monster of what was there...

I was able to click pn many of the links from older saved pages and gather more of the old posts.... but this is not the last incarnation of the site...

So, there is life after death. Lol.

 I wish... Just snapshots.. of the past with some moving parts...

Some of the threads are in their entirety, however the larger ones, much like the "show all" button on the forum... it'll show you all... but if its a massive amount of data... it may take a while...



Remember when the site was first being built?

Anybody remember when the forum was first loaded onto the website?

Does anybody remember the topics from the initial offerings from this forum?

Do you know who contributed?


Looking at the initial Forum tab (at least from the perspective of what was recorded in the wayback machine archives) I'm finding a wild display of what this place was...


This found today on the archives...

The beginning of the beginning… Who knew what would come of it?




Dr. F


Social
climber
So Cal

Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 13, 2009 - 02:08pm PT
This tea bagging thing is so stupid, it makes me sick.

They are protesting the lowering taxes of the middle class, and raising the rich's taxes to the age of Reagan

They call it redistrubution of wealth

What a bunch of suckers, the richest corporations and Fox news are sponsering the tea bagging

Protest against your best interest, and for the interest of the rich.

And isn't tea bagging when you...

(or there is this Edit)...

https://web.archive.org/web/20011024075944/http://www.supertopo.com/forum.html

Cheers all (I know it makes no difference. I know it brings no closure. My only hope is that it is of any benefit to any one of the 7 billion I will never know)

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rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Oct 25, 2014 - 06:11pm PT
That is cool jingy thanks!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 27, 2014 - 06:37pm PT
hey there say, jingy... wow, me not being all 'tech' and stuff... i don't always understand and grab all this...

but, it was an interesting something, in deed...

thanks for sharing... i reckon it is like a foot-path, where one takes the first step--in a so called photo album of time... :)
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2014 - 06:56pm PT
I was just taking a look back at 2005...

JuanDeFuca had an experience at Tahquitz... you'll never guess what for?

First cell phone assisted climbing done by Juan...


//**Climbing History made this weekend Tahquitz Rock! May 30, 2005, 06:39am PST

Topic Author:
JuanDeFuca**//

Big Wall climber
From: Chatsworth Me and some friends made climbing history this weekend.

Using the new communication of cell phones we were able to relay belay commands in a wireless manner. What a fantastic time to be alive.

Reaching the belay the leader was unsure of the optimal location. Sending a photo of the belay to my cell phone I was able to confirm the leader was in the proper location.

Then due to wind making communication impossible the leader placed another call to my cell phone to relay the command "you are one belay".

With free weekend minutes, the days of rope tugs are over.

Later of route another call was placed, I was able to redirect the leader after seeing another photo of doubtful corner.

Please for the safety of all both leader and second should carry cell phones for on route calls, until fiber optic cables can be placed in future climbing ropes for on route data transmission.


Juan



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